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  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    I must say I'm not that excited about the look of the Valhalla. The cars behind it, on the other hand…

    You and I have the exact same opinion.
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    I must say I'm not that excited about the look of the Valhalla. The cars behind it, on the other hand…

    You and I have the exact same opinion.

    In general I find older cars to look better than modern ones, but even more so with sports cars!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,053
    That's the thing. I love GT"s the most. They exude class, elegance, romance and traveling. The real sportscars, allthough sometimes childishly fun (looking at you lamborgini), I find less interesting. Those are too much show-off, not enough actual adventure.
    So in the end I'm more of a Peugeot 205 gti fan than Koenigsegg.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    That's the thing. I love GT"s the most. They exude class, elegance, romance and traveling. The real sportscars, allthough sometimes childishly fun (looking at you lamborgini), I find less interesting. Those are too much show-off, not enough actual adventure.
    So in the end I'm more of a Peugeot 205 gti fan than Koenigsegg.

    The GTI 1.9 is awesome, but for obvious reasons almost impossible to find.

    And that unfortunately also can be said about the second generation Honda CRX. We had a Civic with the same 1.6 engine and boy, it was fast enough I can tell you!
  • Posts: 15,769
    That's the thing. I love GT"s the most. They exude class, elegance, romance and traveling. The real sportscars, allthough sometimes childishly fun (looking at you lamborgini), I find less interesting. Those are too much show-off, not enough actual adventure.
    So in the end I'm more of a Peugeot 205 gti fan than Koenigsegg.

    Definitely agree!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,053
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    That's the thing. I love GT"s the most. They exude class, elegance, romance and traveling. The real sportscars, allthough sometimes childishly fun (looking at you lamborgini), I find less interesting. Those are too much show-off, not enough actual adventure.
    So in the end I'm more of a Peugeot 205 gti fan than Koenigsegg.

    The GTI 1.9 is awesome, but for obvious reasons almost impossible to find.

    And that unfortunately also can be said about the second generation Honda CRX. We had a Civic with the same 1.6 engine and boy, it was fast enough I can tell you!
    Yep, I did look for a 205 but the really good ones are more expensive now than they were new. The CRX I've always found to be an ugly beast, but a fun car for sure. Used to have a golf II myself. Not the gti mind you, but a lot of fun none the less. Traveled all through Europe in it. Simple technology that could get me anywhere.
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    JamesCraig wrote: »
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    Porn is not allowed here, I know, but can we please make an exception...

    The AM workshop today...

    I think I have just had an accident in my shorts!!!! :-O I get the feeling the Valhalla will be Nomi's car?
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,633
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    asaHS1P.jpg

    Porn is not allowed here, I know, but can we please make an exception...

    The AM workshop today...

    I think I have just had an accident in my shorts!!!! :-O I get the feeling the Valhalla will be Nomi's car?

    Did you have a code brown, or was it yellow?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 9,170
    I wonder if there are any real DB5s in that shot? It's impossible to tell! :)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    mtm wrote: »
    I wonder if there are any real DB5s in that shot? It's impossible to tell! :)

    Yes of course.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 9,170
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I wonder if there are any real DB5s in that shot? It's impossible to tell! :)

    Yes of course.

    'Yes there are' or 'yes it's hard to tell'? :)

    If you know which one(s) are real then feel free to point them out! :)
    From memory I think Eon previously own one real one...?
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,497
    mtm wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I wonder if there are any real DB5s in that shot? It's impossible to tell! :)

    Yes of course.

    'Yes there are' or 'yes it's hard to tell'? :)

    If you know which one(s) are real then feel free to point them out! :)
    From memory I think Eon previously own one real one...?

    If you want to know more about the AM's used in the Bondmovies, just go to www.astonmartins.com.

    Only one minor "issue": they don't elaborate on the OHMSS DBS...


    (http://www.dbsvantage.com/en/pages/c...201to5300.html

    DBS 5234/R

    http://www.dbsvantage.com/en/pages/c...101to5200.html

    DBS 5109/R)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 9,170
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I wonder if there are any real DB5s in that shot? It's impossible to tell! :)

    Yes of course.

    'Yes there are' or 'yes it's hard to tell'? :)

    If you know which one(s) are real then feel free to point them out! :)
    From memory I think Eon previously own one real one...?

    If you want to know more about the AM's used in the Bondmovies, just go to www.astonmartins.com.

    Yes, if that's right then Eon own one real DB5 prior to B25. I guess that's probably in there being prepared by AM, but I certainly couldn't tell which one it is! :) Possibly one of the two middle ones as they appear to not have rollcages. But they may well all be replicas.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited July 2019 Posts: 3,497
    https://www.facebook.com/pg/RealTimeCollectionHall/photos/?ref=page_internal

    http://realtimerl.com/

    A collection of 50 "classic" Hondas... oh and they're a racing partner as well.

    :D
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e il momento che verrà
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    The Valhalla does wrong what Aston Martin has always done right. Stylish and sporty but never vulgar. They used to let that sort of thing to Lamborghini or other ‘look-how-rich-I-am-cars’. This one goes full vulgar though, a pity. Luckily Alfa is still around.
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    The Valhalla relives this sort of thing:

    this-jaguar-xj13-replica-is-better-than-the-real-thing-in-two-key-ways__389842_.jpg?content=1
    jaguar-xj13.jpg
    124_Ferrari_275_P_1964_20_22_Le_Mans_Full_detail_MultiMedia_Model_Kit_81645.jpeg
    alfa-romeo-33-stradale1.jpg


    I take it you're not a fan of mid engine cars?

    I, for one, find it beautiful. Love those round wheel arches. Very apt for Le Mans, I'd say. Not a pretty road car, mind you. Not a GT, that's for sure. But a beautiful racer.

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    The Valhalla does wrong what Aston Martin has always done right. Stylish and sporty but never vulgar. They used to let that sort of thing to Lamborghini or other ‘look-how-rich-I-am-cars’. This one goes full vulgar though, a pity. Luckily Alfa is still around.

    Well it's their "hypercar" anyway, and they are seldom "beautiful".

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2019 Posts: 9,170
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    The Valhalla does wrong what Aston Martin has always done right. Stylish and sporty but never vulgar. They used to let that sort of thing to Lamborghini or other ‘look-how-rich-I-am-cars’. This one goes full vulgar though, a pity. Luckily Alfa is still around.

    I'd say the whole Aston lineup at the moment is vulgar. They seem to have forgotten 'elegant' and plumped instead for 'muscular'. Not really keen on that.
    They could do worse than study the old V8 in the Bond 25, which manages to do both.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,053
    mtm wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    The Valhalla does wrong what Aston Martin has always done right. Stylish and sporty but never vulgar. They used to let that sort of thing to Lamborghini or other ‘look-how-rich-I-am-cars’. This one goes full vulgar though, a pity. Luckily Alfa is still around.

    I'd say the whole Aston lineup at the moment is vulgar. They seem to have forgotten 'elegant' and plumped instead for 'muscular'. Not really keen on that.
    They could do worse than study the old V8 in the Bond 25, which manages to do both.
    Oh I still love the DB 11, i find it a stunning car, and far more beautiful and stylish irl than on pictures. The Valhalla I can't care about. Too much formula 1. And though I love the races, the cars themselves I find boring and ugly.
    Some classic racers from the sixties were very beautiful, but those days are long gone. And those cars wouldn't misstand on the road either.
  • edited July 2019 Posts: 5,735
    mtm wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    The Valhalla does wrong what Aston Martin has always done right. Stylish and sporty but never vulgar. They used to let that sort of thing to Lamborghini or other ‘look-how-rich-I-am-cars’. This one goes full vulgar though, a pity. Luckily Alfa is still around.

    I'd say the whole Aston lineup at the moment is vulgar. They seem to have forgotten 'elegant' and plumped instead for 'muscular'. Not really keen on that.
    They could do worse than study the old V8 in the Bond 25, which manages to do both.

    Vulgar?!? I'm not one to praise modern cars, as I love the classics more, specially from the 60s. But to call the current AM lineup vulgar is insane. Each model that comes out get praise from the critic. Each looks different and an evolutionary step forwards for the brand. And you find it vulgar? This is vulgar?

    salon-geneve-2019-Aston-Martin-AM-RB-003-Vanquish-Vision-Concept070.jpg
    salon-geneve-2019-Aston-Martin-AM-RB-003-Vanquish-Vision-Concept057.jpg
    2017-aston-martin-db11-2016-geneva-motor-show_100547871.jpg

    mtm wrote: »
    Luckily Alfa is still around.

    I'm the biggest alfista you'll ever know. But this is Alfa Romeo's lineup now.

    2019-AR-Overview-Story-Desktop.jpg

    Just a bunch of BMWs painted alfa red with the quadrifoglio badge on them. Now THAT is vulgar, IMO. And to think they were heading in the right direction with the 8C and the 4C.

    These were the last Alfas, IMO.

    large_875_a777e.jpg

    alfa-romeo-4c-wallpaper-hd-60708.jpg


  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2019 Posts: 9,170
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    The Valhalla does wrong what Aston Martin has always done right. Stylish and sporty but never vulgar. They used to let that sort of thing to Lamborghini or other ‘look-how-rich-I-am-cars’. This one goes full vulgar though, a pity. Luckily Alfa is still around.

    I'd say the whole Aston lineup at the moment is vulgar. They seem to have forgotten 'elegant' and plumped instead for 'muscular'. Not really keen on that.
    They could do worse than study the old V8 in the Bond 25, which manages to do both.

    Vulgar?!? I'm not one to praise modern cars, as I love the classics more, specially from the 60s. But to call the current AM lineup vulgar is insane. Each model that comes out get praise from the critic. Each looks different and an evolutionary step forwards for the brand. And you find it vulgar? This is vulgar?

    salon-geneve-2019-Aston-Martin-AM-RB-003-Vanquish-Vision-Concept070.jpg
    salon-geneve-2019-Aston-Martin-AM-RB-003-Vanquish-Vision-Concept057.jpg
    2017-aston-martin-db11-2016-geneva-motor-show_100547871.jpg

    Well yeah: the DB11 is rather lacking in style (have you sat in one? It's kind of horrid in there) and goes for muscular rather than elegance and it's all separate details rather than a beautiful whole, and the Vantage really looks like a Japanese car to my eye: it's plasticky and could be a Nissan GTR. When you see one in black there are almost no distinguishing features at all. And the Superleggera is just horrendous. The new mid-engined ones I'm not offended by but they're sort of just.. there. They exist. They're not trying to be stylish, just fast. Shockingly the new McLaren GT might actually manage to be a more handsome mid-engined car, and that's a McLaren.
    The DB10 from Spectre did actually manage to still feel classy, but they've lost that for the current lineup. I don't like them at all.

    The 8C you linked to: that's a beautiful car.

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    mtm wrote: »
    The 8C you linked to: that's a beautiful car.

    It really is, isn't it? So perfect :)

    And I do get your notes on the AM. They're perfectly valid. Thing is, if you lived through the 70s, 80s and 90s loving AM, you'll probably feel they're in a good phase now, even if they could be doing something very, very special, more special, harkening back to their golden years even more. But hey, I get ya.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 9,170
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The 8C you linked to: that's a beautiful car.

    It really is, isn't it? So perfect :)

    And I do get your notes on the AM. They're perfectly valid. Thing is, if you lived through the 70s, 80s and 90s loving AM, you'll probably feel they're in a good phase now, even if they could be doing something very, very special, more special, harkening back to their golden years even more. But hey, I get ya.

    Not sure I follow there: even in the 90s, although there was the pretty average V8 and Vantage: brutal but not hugely classy, the DB7 came along and at the time we all knew it was stunning. And it still looks amazing today.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The 8C you linked to: that's a beautiful car.

    It really is, isn't it? So perfect :)

    And I do get your notes on the AM. They're perfectly valid. Thing is, if you lived through the 70s, 80s and 90s loving AM, you'll probably feel they're in a good phase now, even if they could be doing something very, very special, more special, harkening back to their golden years even more. But hey, I get ya.

    Not sure I follow there: even in the 90s, although there was the pretty average V8 and Vantage: brutal but not hugely classy, the DB7 came along and at the time we all knew it was stunning. And it still looks amazing today.

    So do the first Vanquish, DB9 and the previous Vantage.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 7,053
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The 8C you linked to: that's a beautiful car.

    It really is, isn't it? So perfect :)

    And I do get your notes on the AM. They're perfectly valid. Thing is, if you lived through the 70s, 80s and 90s loving AM, you'll probably feel they're in a good phase now, even if they could be doing something very, very special, more special, harkening back to their golden years even more. But hey, I get ya.

    Not sure I follow there: even in the 90s, although there was the pretty average V8 and Vantage: brutal but not hugely classy, the DB7 came along and at the time we all knew it was stunning. And it still looks amazing today.

    So do the first Vanquish, DB9 and the previous Vantage.

    And the virage. The one always overlooked
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    Yeah, I was referring to these:

    aston_martin_lagonda_series_2-629x360.jpg
    Aston-martin-1989-Virage-in-green-629x472.jpg

    I liked all the others. But I still think they don't come close to the aura and ethos of this:

    1961-Aston-Martin-DB4-GT-Zagato-TGJ.01.jpg
    Aston-Martin-DB4-GT-Zagato-132297.jpg

    Interestingly enough, do you guys know of the works by David Brown Automotive Limited? Take a look at this:

    speedback_silverstone_edition_11.jpg?itok=-pvG4BUi
    2015-david-brown-automoti-36.jpg

  • Posts: 5,735
    And for people who are against all of the "retro" stuff, take notice that the 911s having been doing just so since 1963. And this is their "new" entry.

    rp_-_porsche_992_911_carrera_4s-3.jpg?itok=ONUJxR_M

    So, why wouldn't a shape like the DBAutomotiveLda Fastback work nowadays? I'm all for it.

    PS: Sorry about the double post ;)
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Nope, never heard of it but those are stunning cars! Says something about the DB4.

    I love retro done well, Porsche's just been lazy. As I understand it they're fantastic to drive, but I don't like the design at all. The only one I found slightly interesting is the 911 from the 90's, with the different headlights. The one Porsche purists hate. goes to show at what angle I look at them ;-)
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Univex wrote: »
    Yeah, I was referring to these:

    aston_martin_lagonda_series_2-629x360.jpg
    Aston-martin-1989-Virage-in-green-629x472.jpg

    I liked all the others. But I still think they don't come close to the aura and ethos of this:

    1961-Aston-Martin-DB4-GT-Zagato-TGJ.01.jpg
    Aston-Martin-DB4-GT-Zagato-132297.jpg

    Interestingly enough, do you guys know of the works by David Brown Automotive Limited? Take a look at this:

    speedback_silverstone_edition_11.jpg?itok=-pvG4BUi
    2015-david-brown-automoti-36.jpg
    Univex wrote: »
    Yeah, I was referring to these:

    aston_martin_lagonda_series_2-629x360.jpg
    Aston-martin-1989-Virage-in-green-629x472.jpg

    I liked all the others. But I still think they don't come close to the aura and ethos of this:

    1961-Aston-Martin-DB4-GT-Zagato-TGJ.01.jpg
    Aston-Martin-DB4-GT-Zagato-132297.jpg

    Interestingly enough, do you guys know of the works by David Brown Automotive Limited? Take a look at this:

    speedback_silverstone_edition_11.jpg?itok=-pvG4BUi
    2015-david-brown-automoti-36.jpg

    Oh yes, absolutely.

    The DB Mini Remastered:

    iIokIKm.jpg

    https://www.davidbrownautomotive.com/mini-remastered/
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Univex wrote: »
    Interestingly enough, do you guys know of the works by David Brown Automotive Limited? Take a look at this:

    speedback_silverstone_edition_11.jpg?itok=-pvG4BUi
    2015-david-brown-automoti-36.jpg

    Yes I find that a bit horrid. It's been around a few years: I think I did see one outside the Dorchester once.
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