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Would this Bond film have improved with another actor from the time ? : Quantum of Solace

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Dalton Bond in clownface. Epic.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Dalton Bond in clownface. Epic.

    He's got the nose for it.

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    For a short while in 1982, I was confused by the reports about Connery returning as Bond and thought it was for OCTOPUSSY. I soon learned that Moore was returning, and that it was a rivalling Bond film with the title NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.

    There had been reports about Connery being offered the role for both MR and FYEO before Moore, but you never know with the press. It could be made up.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Since the 80's I always wished Octopussy had starred a younger Sir Roger Moore, it's a film I enjoy alot though it would have been better with Moore circa 1974.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited May 2019 Posts: 17,272
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Since the 80's I always wished Octopussy had starred a younger Sir Roger Moore, it's a film I enjoy alot though it would have been better with Moore circa 1974.

    OP would have been incredible with a younger Moore, that's for sure. Could even have featured Maud Adams if not for TMWTGG – and Louis Jourdan, Steven Berkoff and Kabir Bedi of course.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Since the 80's I always wished Octopussy had starred a younger Sir Roger Moore, it's a film I enjoy alot though it would have been better with Moore circa 1974.

    OP would have been incredible with a younger Moore, that's for sure. Could even have featured Maud Adams if not for TMWTGG – and Louis Jourdan, Steven Berkoff and Kabir Bedi of course.

    I think Octopussy is hampered by Sir Rogers age in a few scenes, and also cut out some god awful gags and there is a good film there.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Since the 80's I always wished Octopussy had starred a younger Sir Roger Moore, it's a film I enjoy alot though it would have been better with Moore circa 1974.

    OP would have been incredible with a younger Moore, that's for sure. Could even have featured Maud Adams if not for TMWTGG – and Louis Jourdan, Steven Berkoff and Kabir Bedi of course.

    I think Octopussy is hampered by Sir Rogers age in a few scenes, and also cut out some god awful gags and there is a good film there.

    Yeah, he's a bit too old in OP. Doesn't bother me in the same way as AVTAK, but still. A very entertaining film that could have been even better with just minor changes.

    OP is currently 7th in my ranking.
  • bondsumbondsum
    edited May 2019 Posts: 3,333
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    For a short while in 1982, I was confused by the reports about Connery returning as Bond and thought it was for OCTOPUSSY. I soon learned that Moore was returning, and that it was a rivalling Bond film with the title NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN.

    There had been reports about Connery being offered the role for both MR and FYEO before Moore, but you never know with the press. It could be made up.
    What were you reading @Thunderfinger, Norway's equivalent of The Beano? Not once did I read that Connery was about to appear in MR or FYEO.

    Coincidentally, ITV had a re-run of OP just a few week's ago, and it's actually worse than I remembered it being. I can vouch that '79 to '85 were most definitely the worst years of going to the cinema to see a decent Bond movie.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I don t know this "Beano", but it s probably the same. There were little stories about how Moore felt insulted that they had asked Connery first. Like I said,the press hasn t changed much in 40 years.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Although I'm a Moore baby and SWLM is in my top 5, I'm definitely not a big Rog fan.

    Though OP is what it is and that is a Roger Moore film through and through.

    Maybe with a re-write Dalton could have taken the mantle 2 films earlier but even though I don't like this era much and the last 2 are the nadir of Rog for me, this is Sir Rog's film.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Was TWINE better with Brosnan as Bond or not,peeps ?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Was TWINE better with Brosnan as Bond or not,peeps ?

    Brosnan was at his worst in that film, so I would say not.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    No more comments on the latest film before I change it next week ?
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
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    I think TWINE is Brosnan's worst performance in the role, so my instinct is to say, "yes, a different actor would've improved it." However, if I sit and think about it for longer than it takes to have a gut reaction, I don't think any actor would've.

    I think the screenplay + Apted's direction are largely to blame for TWINE's ugliness, and while I don't think Brosnan did the film any favors, I can't think of another actor in the role that would've been able to dig the picture out.

    Crazy that there was a time that I defended TWINE with a shotgun as arguably Brosnan's best. I guess my final answer has to be "yes." I'd take a look at the film with someone else, as Brosnan is fairly dire here unfortunately.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Well TWINE is my least favourite Bond film and Brosnan the weakest Bond by a long way. I suppose a different Bond might have lifted it a bit but it's a truly shockingly bad film so I doubt anything could have really saved it. DAD is also abysmal but wins out over TWINE by being so batsh*t crazy that at least you don't get bored.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Since the 80's I always wished Octopussy had starred a younger Sir Roger Moore, it's a film I enjoy alot though it would have been better with Moore circa 1974.

    OP is near perfection IMO. Would barely change a thing. One of my favourites.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited July 2019 Posts: 17,272
    I'd be curious how a younger Moore (1973/74) could have done TWINE. I'm sure he would have delivered a good performance, no matter what you might think of the plot, characters in the film, etc. I have a soft spot for TWINE personally, and I think Brosnan is quite alright in it.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I think Sir Rog would have been good in TWINE. Around the age he was in FYEO.

    I like the film a lot as it is although it has lost some of it's lustre over the years.

    I think it suits Brosnan well.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    TWINE was a direct reaction to TND. It was felt that TND was too machine gun heavy and more a shoot'em up film then what a Bond film should be. So they made this one more about Bond using his wits. They also humanized the villain by making Renard suffer with the bullet in the brain and his pain being shut off.

    The producers got themselves a director who was known for serious character pieces to help with the vision of this Bond having more character driven story. There aren't many action scenes in the movie. I think if you asked someone to recall what some of the big action scenes were you might get Pierce riding chains out of a tunnel. LOL!

    Could another Bond had pulled it off? I would go with either Dalton or Connery. Course in either case a new leading lady would be in order.

  • barryt007barryt007
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    The scene I would pick would be the Caviar Factory battle,which I think is brilliantly choreographed,with tension and some sprinkle of comedy in it.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited July 2019 Posts: 11,425
    I can't stand the film, but surely the 2 stand out action sequences are the jump from the window in Bilbao (is that the PTS?) and the boat chase on the Thames. I don't particularly like it, but surely the boat chase is THE action sequence in the film?

    There's also that awful paragliding sequence - one of the least exciting in Bond history. I think Mendes took his inspiration from this when doing the car chase in SP.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    I feel @thedove perfectly sums up how I remember this movie. It was one of the few (if not only occasions) that the producers listened to Brosnan and brought in a dramatic director to placate their leading man. The question is: would we have got a totally different Bond movie had another actor played Bond in TWINE with a different director, or would it have been closer to DAD in its final delivery? There's also other things in play in TWINE, such as Judy Dench's continued meteoric rise in popularity after Shakespeare in Love. We first caught a glimpse of it in TND after her surprise hit Mrs Brown. The problem I have with Brosnan's movies is the same problem I had with Craig's, and that was Bond having to forgo more and more of his own screen time to make way for M, which finally culminated with SF for one big telegraphed send-off.

    Also, who else could've realistically played 007 at the time? With Roger Moore we had Michael Billington and then Lewis Collins, who both could've done a credible (if not better job) at playing 007. Dalton's biggest rival was Brosnan himself. I'm really hard pushed to think of someone who could've replaced Brosnan during TWINE. A few years later I saw Rory McCann in Alexander (2004) and can recall thinking he'd make a good Bond, but there really wasn't anyone else I can think of.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I can't stand the film, but surely the 2 stand out action sequences are the jump from the window in Bilbao (is that the PTS?) and the boat chase on the Thames. I don't particularly like it, but surely the boat chase is THE action sequence in the film?

    Both occur in the PTS as this has the longest PTS of the series. I just wonder if you asked a member of the general public what they remember of TWINE would they say the boat chase? Maybe.

    I think there is promise in this film, also some lazy writing. Bond's shoulder injury is made to be a big deal. But then only once does it come up within the film and he shows no pain at any time during the film. Grabbing those chains and tearing down the tunnel to me would hurt a shoulder injury.

    The more I think about it the more I would like to see Dalton give this one a go. I think he has the acting chops to explore the character. This was an attempt to provide some humanity to Bond. Brosnan tried but Dalton would have succeeded.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Russell Crowe could have done it.
  • bondsumbondsum
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    Interesting name you put forward there @Thunderfinger. A Kiwi playing Bond.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    All Russell Crowe does in real life is fighting around the world, just like James Bond.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    bondsum wrote: »
    I feel @thedove perfectly sums up how I remember this movie. It was one of the few (if not only occasions) that the producers listened to Brosnan and brought in a dramatic director to placate their leading man. The question is: would we have got a totally different Bond movie had another actor played Bond in TWINE with a different director, or would it have been closer to DAD in its final delivery? There's also other things in play in TWINE, such as Judy Dench's continued meteoric rise in popularity after Shakespeare in Love. We first caught a glimpse of it in TND after her surprise hit Mrs Brown. The problem I have with Brosnan's movies is the same problem I had with Craig's, and that was Bond having to forgo more and more of his own screen time to make way for M, which finally culminated with SF for one big telegraphed send-off.

    Also, who else could've realistically played 007 at the time? With Roger Moore we had Michael Billington and then Lewis Collins, who both could've done a credible (if not better job) at playing 007. Dalton's biggest rival was Brosnan himself. I'm really hard pushed to think of someone who could've replaced Brosnan during TWINE. A few years later I saw Rory McCann in Alexander (2004) and can recall thinking he'd make a good Bond, but there really wasn't anyone else I can think of.

    Clive Owen. One of the greater missed opportunities.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I believe the point of this thread is to pick from the actors who have already played Bond. Not pick an actor who we think could have been Bond.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    The user above me asked who else could have replaced Brosnan in TWINE.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited July 2019 Posts: 11,425
    Clive Owen has the most boring voice in cinema. No.

    Jason Isaacs? Solid and charismatic. Good looking and with the acting chops to blow Brozza out of the water. Would have been the first Jewish Bond as well. Would have prefered him to Brosnan . Ten yrs younger than Brozza.
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