NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited November 2021 Posts: 4,292
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    NTTD suffered from 18 months of delays - more than any other flick coming out this fall- and a lot of people saw this conclusion as "old news".

    More than any other flick coming out?
    That's not true.

    There are many movies, that had spring/summer-2020-release-dates set, and still have not been released.
    Think of "Top Gun:Maverick", "Minions 2", "The King's Man", "Death on the Nile" ... just to name a few.
    "Ghostbusters: Afterlife" should have been released in June 2020, and was pushed to November 2021 aswell. Almost every movie coming out these days had the same release-story.

    So people must see EVERY movie as "old news".

    I think the majority of people don't care about when a movie was filmed, or when it was to be released originally.

    I said that “NTTD suffered from 18 months of delays - more than any other flick coming out this fall”. I never spoke about films that are yet to be released. Plus, both Top Gun and DotN were further delayed because of external factors (M:I-7 needed more time to be finished and Top Gun took its slot and the Hammer controversy).

    Anyway, especially in the US, the hype that there was on social media back in January 2020 was long gone a couple of months ago and prior to release everybody was joking about Bond be delayed again, “No time to release” etc etc. That’s because Bond is an event film, it’s no Ghostbusters. And can we just talk about all the hype from younger audiences that COVID burned related to the Eilish theme song? YouTube was flooded with reactions to the song and her live performance at Emmy’s and they all were on the hype train.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Another FYI:
    Trending the numbers from Box Office Mojo (and note that my NTTD week 8 numbers are partial):
    Week SKYFALL SPECTRE NO TIME TO DIE
    1 $117,637,108.00 $95,300,181.00 $75,210,554.00
    2 $65,804,041.00 $43,802,698.00 $32,944,531.00
    3 $43,388,040.00 $24,134,528.00 $17,355,650.00
    4 $21,590,891.00 $15,857,936.00 $11,460,673.00
    5 $14,745,983.00 $7,672,317.00 $8,884,605.00
    6 $9,725,711.00 $5,708,472.00 $6,127,114.00
    7 $9,935,604.00 $2,905,413.00 $4,390,641.00
    8 $8,702,192.00 $1,721,040.00 $1,707,256.00

    Even with VOD, NTTD is doing significantly better than SP at the same point in its' run. (Sorry about the formatting, but EXCEL to text is never going to look pretty).
  • Posts: 5,414
    In France, we are at 3 933 113 seats sold, and NTTD is still the most successful movie of the year.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Leave it to the Bond franchise to release a movie featuring a dangerous virus that can spread and kill people worldwide during a time when an actual pandemic is going on...all while managing to be one of the most successful films of such a crazy time.

    This is why the series is so incredible: you just can't make this crap up.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    This made me grin:

    https://www.cinemablend.com/movies/after-rumors-swirl-that-daniel-craigs-final-bond-movie-no-time-to-die-could-lose-millions-mgm-responds
    "Unnamed and uninformed sources suggesting the film will lose money are categorically unfounded and put more simply, not true. The film has far exceeded our theatrical estimates in this timeframe, becoming the highest grossing Hollywood film in the international marketplace and passing F9 to become the highest grossing Hollywood film since the pandemic. With the PVOD release of the film already doing stellar home viewing business, all while continuing to hold well theatrically, No Time To Die will earn a profit for MGM, both as an individual film title and as part of MGM’s incredible library."

    -MGM
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,292
    Yeah all those garbage websites are picking up Variety's clickbait nonsense.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,682
    @matt_u, what amazes me is that people think Variety have credibility. Amazing the amount of trust you can garner just by being popular.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Gee, I wonder who they could possibly be referring to. 8->
  • Posts: 5,893
    Leave it to the Bond franchise to release a movie featuring a dangerous virus that can spread and kill people worldwide during a time when an actual pandemic is going on...all while managing to be one of the most successful films of such a crazy time.

    This is why the series is so incredible: you just can't make this crap up.

    Haha!
  • At the risk of "stirring the pot" where exactly did MI6 HQ get their info from?
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    Jimjambond wrote: »
    At the risk of "stirring the pot" where exactly did MI6 HQ get their info from?

    I think their assessment was an extrapolation of NTTD's estimated budget with interest charges due to COVID delays. It's typical that studios receive around 45-50% of the box office during the theatrical window. That percentage varies as time passes during the theatrical lifespan of a film. The highest percentage of box office that studios receive will always be for the opening weekend. Also, percentages can change country-by-country.

    Assessing a film's break even point or profitability is hard (if not impossible) when studios pay fees to their own subsidiaries for contract work. A studio may spend $150M for VFX work but the VFX company may be owned by an arm of the studio or the conglomerate that owns the studio. Also, productions get more tax benefits when they report higher costs.

    I don't know the accuracy of MI6 in their reporting, which I think is the point. No one outside of the studio and producers know that info.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited December 2021 Posts: 4,292
    The fact that MI6HQ’s didn’t even bother to estimate any money detracted from partnerships, product placement and tax incentives makes their supposed break even final number not worth the attention.

    The most ridiculous thing is that they treat their calculations as facts in that Risky Business piece.
    @matt_u, what amazes me is that people think Variety have credibility. Amazing the amount of trust you can garner just by being popular.

    They are a joke. Two weeks before that article they dropped another one stating that NTTD would've needed $800M to break even. Clowns.

    EDIT: Last week Bond opened in Malaysia but piracy, few theaters showing it and COVID are damaging its run. NTTD opened with just $510,000 compared to SP's $2,35M...
  • Leave it to the Bond franchise to release a movie featuring a dangerous virus that can spread and kill people worldwide during a time when an actual pandemic is going on...all while managing to be one of the most successful films of such a crazy time.

    This is why the series is so incredible: you just can't make this crap up.

    Yes. Bond has always been ahead of the curve
  • matt_u wrote: »

    EDIT: Last week Bond opened in Malaysia but piracy, few theaters showing it and COVID are damaging its run. NTTD opened with just $510,000 compared to SP's $2,35M...

    That was to be expected with 4K VOD prints all over the place as soon as it was released on rental.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    It's clear to me that NTTD is not a failure at all. Given the circumstances, I would even call it a success. You know, I'm really proud of Bond. This is a bold, bang-on, best-performing Bond with a balanced, blonde, ballsy and brilliant bloke. (That last alliteration... nearly killed me.)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @DarthDimi, it definitely proves there's still a lot of lifeblood left in this series, no matter how much time changes and people pressure Bond to change. He's the kind of guy we need for the world today, and I think Dan's Bond really represented that as a man who could push up against modern conveniences and hazards with his own brand of old fashioned brashness and uncompromising duty. He went from a blunt instrument to a voice of reason in a time of blurred political lines, unseen enemies and surreal threats.

    It just makes me smile that Bond has done so well, and continues to do so, while every other big series I can think of outside of the MCU has had dramatic ups and downs, massive outcries from the public and critics and financial distresses. Bond has stayed true, and been an insane success, which is something we can all be proud of. Dan was definitely the right man to hitch this carriage to, as he helped to bring about a greater understanding of Bond as a man and what the movies can do with him, on top of attracting some of the biggest talent in moviemaking. You could only tell these kinds of stories with the character with an actor as convincing and compelling as him, and I think he was the perfect blend of the cinematic Bond and Fleming's original, creating a vastly fascinating portrait of our favorite spy.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited December 2021 Posts: 1,570
    Burgess wrote: »

    I don't know the accuracy of MI6 in their reporting, which I think is the point. No one outside of the studio and producers know that info.

    It's not so much about the accuracy of budget numbers they reported, but about how dumb the analysis was.

    Like if I said, "Hey, the movie cost $319 million and earned $750 million at the BO! That's an over $400 million profit!", it would be dumb, but not really any dumber than what they did.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited December 2021 Posts: 22,217
    Burgess wrote: »

    I don't know the accuracy of MI6 in their reporting, which I think is the point. No one outside of the studio and producers know that info.

    It's not so much about the accuracy of budget numbers they reported, but about how dumb the analysis was.

    Like if I said, "Hey, the movie cost $319 million and earned $750 million at the BO! That's an over $400 million profit!", it would be dumb, but not really any dumber than what they did.

    Not mincing words there, are you? The people who made this analysis are not dumb. They did what they did with the best of intentions. But I am sure they get the message. In fact, they got it last time. And the time before that. And the time before that. It reads: people get upset about everything these days. The internet: where anger and frustration meet for drinks.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    Let’s not pretend that piece wasn’t extremely amateurish tho. In fact, it was so amateurish that I’m amazed it gained all that resonance.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,570
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »

    I don't know the accuracy of MI6 in their reporting, which I think is the point. No one outside of the studio and producers know that info.

    It's not so much about the accuracy of budget numbers they reported, but about how dumb the analysis was.

    Like if I said, "Hey, the movie cost $319 million and earned $750 million at the BO! That's an over $400 million profit!", it would be dumb, but not really any dumber than what they did.

    Not mincing words there, are you? The people who made this analysis are not dumb. They did what they did with the best of intentions. But I am sure they get the message. In fact, they got it last time. And the time before that. And the time before that. It reads: people get upset about everything these days. The internet: where anger and frustration meet for drinks.

    Oh, I only said the analysis was dumb, not the people. I'm sure they're doing their best, just like the fine scribes at Variety, the Daily Express, Screen Rant, and so on. ;)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Dumb people can say smart things. Smart people can say dumb things. MI6-HQ has made smart AND dumb articles in the past. It’s human nature.

    Life goes on.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    It gained a lot of attention for sure :-)
    Anyway - I am happy NTTD did so well at the box office and looking at the number of tickets sold over here in Germany (Roughly 5.85 Million) in comparison to the number 2 (FF9 - just 1.9 Million) it's clear how strong this "franchise" (I even hate calling it that) still is. I am sure it will do very well here in (P)VOD and physical home media sales.
  • Leon12Leon12 England
    Posts: 16
    Given how Covid 19 is still ongoing and a lot of countries have restrictions in place the makers 1) did very well to get the film a cinema release at all and 2) that it has done so well at the box office and I'm sure it will clean up on VOD as well.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 22,217
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    It gained a lot of attention for sure :-)
    Anyway - I am happy NTTD did so well at the box office and looking at the number of tickets sold over here in Germany (Roughly 5.85 Million) in comparison to the number 2 (FF9 - just 1.9 Million) it's clear how strong this "franchise" (I even hate calling it that) still is. I am sure it will do very well here in (P)VOD and physical home media sales.

    Agreed. I know people mean well, but the word is often not used correctly. As a rule of thumb, when people say "the Bond franchise", they really mean "the Bond film series". Not the same thing.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 2021 Posts: 1,998
    Indeed. The scrapped Jinx film would've been part of a franchise, a Paloma film would be part of a franchise - but there's only the Bond films, so it's a series. I fear we're losing the argument on this one, though, and they're becoming interchangeable terms.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    All the eras are so different I never look at them as sharing a series in the greatest extent of the term. I view each era as isolated from the others, in other universes, in a way, outside of OHMSS, but even that is touch and go.

    It's all semantics, and the more a term is used one way, whether it's right or wrong, it appears irreversible. You use words you see others using to define things without thought, and soon we're on the road to confusing terminology. But hey, it's the internet.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Indeed. It's similar to the way that 'anti-hero' is now used to refer to someone like Tony Soprano, when it originally meant someone like Bartleby. It won't be long before 'conversate' becomes a real word... ;)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Indeed. It's similar to the way that 'anti-hero' is now used to refer to someone like Tony Soprano, when it originally meant someone like Bartleby. It won't be long before 'conversate' becomes a real word... ;)

    It’s funny because I’ve seen fans offended by the notion that Bond is an anti-hero. I mean, back in 1962, it wasn’t exactly common to see someone like Cary Grant shoot an unarmed man to death.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 22,217
    Venutius wrote: »
    Indeed. It's similar to the way that 'anti-hero' is now used to refer to someone like Tony Soprano, when it originally meant someone like Bartleby. It won't be long before 'conversate' becomes a real word... ;)

    Is that really a thing? "Conversate"? :-D English isn't my first language and even I'm appalled.
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