It's Grεεκ To Me

RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
edited December 2017 in Trivia & Games Posts: 2,876
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Greek: "ελληνικά"
Latin: "Graecum est; non legitur"

This phrase arose in the Middle Ages to recognize the decline
of the use of the Greek language and alphabet.

Further popularized by Shakespeare in the 16th Century
with his play The Tragedy of Julius Caesar:
CASSIUS: Did Cicero say anything?
CASCA: Ay, he spoke Greek.
CASSIUS: To what effect?
CASCA: Nay, an I tell you that, I’ll ne'er look you i' th' face again.
But those that understood him smiled at one another and shook their heads.
But, for mine own part, it was Greek to me. I could tell you more news too.
Murellus and Flavius, for pulling scarfs off Caesar’s images, are put to silence.
Fare you well. There was more foolery yet, if I could remember it.


Regarding Bond films, there are Greek cultural items sprinkled among
mission plots and characters to be given context and understanding.

The Task: Identify items of Greek myth and culture in Bond book or film.
Can be character names, mentions in dialogue, locations,
use of Greek words, philosophy, myth, history, wine and other
spirits, food and other cultural staples.

You name the item and film or book: then it will be given more detail.
Based on responses, beyond Greek this discussion can absorb related language and culture.

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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited April 20 Posts: 2,876
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    Greek Names and Myth

    Achilles - Αχιλλεύς - greatest Greek warrior, almost immortal, with a fatal flaw -
    (CR, LALD, FRWL, OHMSS, AVTAK) p. 2

    Atlantis - Ατλαντίδα -

    Cassandra - Κασσανδρα - Greek princess, prophet of disaster - (FYEO) p. 3

    Chimera - Χίμαιρα - a monstrous assembly of lion, goat, and serpent - (SF) p. 13

    Elektra - Ἠλέκτρα - sought to avenge father King Agamemnon's death - (LALD, MR, FYEO, LTK, TWINE) p. 1

    Hector - Έκτορας - Troy's greatest warrior killed by Achilles in battle - (MR, LALD, FYEO, LTK) p. 1-2

    Heracles -

    Homer - Ὅμηρος - author of epic Greek poems The Iliad, The Odyssey - (LALD, GF, YOLT, TMWTGG) p. 3

    Icarus -Ἴκαρος - flew too close to the sun and perished - (DAD) p. 4

    Liparus -

    Melinoe

    Minotaur - Μίνως ταύρο - monster creation from a union of woman and bull - (CR) p. 4

    Minos

    Nike - Νίκη - goddess representing victory - (DN, GF, OHMSS, YOLT, TMWTGG, FRWL, GF, TB,OHMSS, DAF, TMWTGG, MR, FYEO, OP, AVTAK, LTK, GE, TND, TWINE, CR, SF, SP) P. 9

    Labyrinth

    Pegasos - Πήγασος - a white horse with wings, maker of wells by hoof stomp - (AVTAK TLD, LTK, GE, CR) p. 8

    Penelope - Πηνελόπεια ; Πηνελόπη - faithful wife of Odysseus awaiting his return - (TSWLM, OP) p. 4

    Stentor - Στέντωρ - Greek herald with the voice of 50 men - (CR, OHMSS) p.13

    Styx

    Vulcan



    Greek phrases and language

    Herkos odónton : χέρκος οδόντων - the hedge (or barrier) of teeth - (OHMSS) p. 2

    Biathlon
    Marathon
    Thrasos


    Greeks

    To do:

    Characters:

    Ernst Stavro Blofeld:
    Maria Stavro Michelopoulos
    Alex Dimitrios
    Melina

    Actors:

    Telly Savalas (OHMSS)
    Tchéky Karyo (GE): has a Greek mother
    Jimmy Roussounis (TWINE)
    Simon Kassianides (QOS)
    Tonia Sotiropoulou (SF)
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited January 21 Posts: 2,876
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    The Greek Alphabet
    α ά β γ δ ε έ ζ η ή θ ι ί κ λ μ ν ξ ο ό π ρ σ ς τ υ ύ φ χ ψ ω ώ

    Αα - Alpha - the Greek alphabet's 1st letter; dominant one -
    (GF, TLD, GE; MR, FYEO, TC, DN, OHMSS, FYEO, OP, TWINE, QOS, SP) pp. 5-6
    Ββ - Beta - the Greek alphabet's 2nd letter (& number) - (FRWL, FRWL, GE, SP) p. 6
    Γγ - Gamma - the Greek alphabet's 3rd letter (& number); radiation - (GF, TB, TDS, TC) p. 5
    Δδ - Delta - the Greek alphabet's 4th letter - (MR, GF, TB, LALD, MR, GE, TND, QOS) pp. 6-7
    Εε - Epsilon
    Ζζ - Zeta
    Ηη - Eta
    Θθ - Theta
    Ιι - Iota
    Κκ - Kappa
    Λλ - Lambda
    Μμ - Mu
    Νν - Nu
    Ξξ - Xi
    Οο - Omicron
    Ππ - Pi
    Ρρ - Rho
    Σσς - Sigma - the Greek alphabet's 18th letter ; summation; deviation - (CR, SP) p. 7
    Ττ - Tau
    Υυ - Upsilon
    Φφ - Phi
    Χχ - Chi
    Ψψ - Psi
    Ωω - Omega - the Greek alphabet’s 24th & last letter -
    (OHMSS, LTK, GE, TND, TWINE, DAD, CR, QOS, SF, SP) pp. 4-5
  • Andi1996RueggAndi1996Ruegg Hello. It's me, Evelyn Tremble.
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    Oh, I'm gonna love this!

    Elektra King TWINE

    Electra, daughter of King Agamemnon.

    If I get your words right @RichardTheBruce you will now write about this? Or am I supposed to do it?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited December 2017 Posts: 2,876
    Thanks, @Andi1996Ruegg, you gave an excellent starting point.

    My plan is to follow the style that evolved on the Birding Bond discussion, so I'm on the hook to give initial detail. Of course the floor is always open to the board audience for their input and new directions.
  • Andi1996RueggAndi1996Ruegg Hello. It's me, Evelyn Tremble.
    Posts: 2,005
    Splendid, sir! Looking forward to your essay.
  • As someone who's held a fascination for ancient Greece and Greek mythology since childhood but rarely taken the opportunity in adulthood to explore the field in-depth, I eagerly look forward to what this thread unfolds. If it does for ancient Greece what your bird thread did for ornithurae, I will be in the realm of the gods.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    Great thread. I've noted a decent amount of Greek influences or references in a good number of the films to this point.
  • Great thread. I've noted a decent amount of Greek influences or references in a good number of the films to this point.

    Just running through some of the films in my head (OHMSS, TSWLM, AVTAK, DAD, SF...) I'm finding there are perhaps deceptively many. It will be wonderful to see them explored here.
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    Interesting thread! I'm not too familiar with Greek myths and culture, so it will be fun to follow. :-)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The 0,07 %
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    Great thread. I've noted a decent amount of Greek influences or references in a good number of the films to this point.

    Just running through some of the films in my head (OHMSS, TSWLM, AVTAK, DAD, SF...) I'm finding there are perhaps deceptively many. It will be wonderful to see them explored here.

    Funny that FYEO isn t on your list.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited January 1 Posts: 2,876
    Elektra / ɪˈlɛktrə / noun

    Greek (Ἠλέκτρα, meaning amber). Also: Electra.

    Elektra: Greek tragedy, versions by Euripides and Sophocles. Daughter of King Agamemnon and Queen Clytemnestra, of Mycenae. Sister to Iphigenia, Chrysothemis, Orestes. With Orestes, plotted the murder of their mother Clytemnestra and Aegisthus (her lover), as revenge for murdering their father.

    On returning from the Trojan War King Agamemnon was murdered by his wife and her lover. Agamemnon earlier sacrificed their daughter (Iphigenia) to Artemis then departed to Troy--his wife never forgave him for this act, and also suspected he murdered her first husband. Agamemnon's traveling consort Cassandra warned him of the plan, still he was killed on arrival.

    So the children retreated to Athens. Orestes sought guidance from the Oracle of Delphi. The prescription: seek revenge for the death of Agamemnon, their father. At Mycenae, assisted by Elektra and also by cousin and best friend Pylades, Orestes himself killed his mother and the lover, but not before being cursed by Clytemnestra. The curse: to be chased by the Furies (or Erinyes), punishers of those who commit matricide and violence.

    Elektra sought and achieved revenge, but by not committing the physical act she escaped haunting by the Furies. (There are variations on the story for Elektra's involvement, and whether she suffered a price by assisting murderous acts.)

    Murder of King Agamemnon
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    Elektra and Orestes
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    Orestes kills Aegisthus, Elektra looks away
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    The Furies beset Orestes
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The 0,07 %
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    Bond connection to the film ELEKTRA from 2005: Will Yun Lee.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited January 7 Posts: 2,876
    For Your Eyes Only, John Glen, 1981.
    Melina Havelock recognizes her Greek heritage on the death of her parents.
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    Bond: The Chinese have a saying--"Before setting out on revenge, you first dig two graves."

    Melina: I don't expect you to understand. You're English, but I'm half Greek.
    And Greek women, like Electra...always avenge their loved ones.
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    The World Is Not Enough, Michael Apted, 1999.
    A very different Elektra than from myth. Selfish. Outright mad.
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    M: So you killed your father.

    Elektra: He killed me. He killed me the day he refused to pay my ransom.

    M: Was this all about the oil?

    Elektra: It is my oil. Mine...and my family's. It runs in my veins, thicker than blood.
    I'm going to redraw the map. And when I'm through, the whole world will know my name...
    ...my grandfather's name, the glory of my people!
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    Interestingly, I took another look at the Ian Fleming story and it references more English lore than Greek.
    For Your Eyes Only, Ian Fleming, 1960.
    "For Your Eyes Only"


    ...
    The girl looked like a beautiful unkempt dryad in ragged shirt and trousers. The shirt and trousers were olive green, crumpled and splashed with mud and stains and torn in places, and she had bound her pale blonde hair with golden-rod to conceal its brightness for her crawl through the meadow. The beauty of her face was wild and rather animal, with a wide sensuous mouth, high cheekbones and silvery grey, disdainful eyes. There was the blood of scratches on her forearms and down one cheek, and a bruise had puffed and slightly blackened the same cheekbone. The metal feathers of a quiver full of arrows showed above her left shoulder. Apart from the bow, she carried nothing but a hunting knife at her belt and, at her other hip, a small brown canvas bag that presumably carried her food. She looked like a beautiful, dangerous customer who knew wild country and forests and was not afraid of them. She would walk alone through life and have little use for civilisation.

    Bond thought she was wonderful. He smiled at her. He said softly, reassuringly: "I suppose you're Robina Hood. My name's James Bond." He reached for his flask and unscrewed the top and held it out. "Sit down and have a drink of this — firewater and coffee. And I've got some biltong. Or do you live on dew and berries?"
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  • Great thread. I've noted a decent amount of Greek influences or references in a good number of the films to this point.

    Just running through some of the films in my head (OHMSS, TSWLM, AVTAK, DAD, SF...) I'm finding there are perhaps deceptively many. It will be wonderful to see them explored here.

    Funny that FYEO isn t on your list.

    FYEO...Greek references, Greek references...hmmm...
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Bond connection to the film ELEKTRA from 2005: Will Yun Lee.
    Jennifer Garner has my respect.

    Elektra, Rob Bowman, 2005.
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    As noted, Will Yun Lee is on board as Kirigi.

    As sourced to the Epic Comics/Marvel Comics Elektra: Assassin, 8 issues, 1986-87.
    Writer Frank Miller, illustrator Bill Sienkiewicz.
    Known for strong women, ultra-violence, politics, ninjas, cyborgs.

    Recalled cover.
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    Afraid of the Dark series.
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
    Posts: 28,232
    Great thread. I've noted a decent amount of Greek influences or references in a good number of the films to this point.

    Just running through some of the films in my head (OHMSS, TSWLM, AVTAK, DAD, SF...) I'm finding there are perhaps deceptively many. It will be wonderful to see them explored here.

    Funny that FYEO isn t on your list.

    FYEO...Greek references, Greek references...hmmm...
    You show mighty thrasos, @Some_Kind_Of_Hero. And where there is thrasos there is also...cheekiness. ;)
  • "Thrasýs" is indeed a Greek translation of "cheeky!" Though "αναιδής" might be a more apt translation.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
    Posts: 28,232
    I trust your scholarly expertise on these matters. I think.
  • Trust Google.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 2,876
    Two more Bond film hits. Take note, @Agent_99.

    Live and Let Die, Guy Hamilton, 1973.
    Harley Davidson Electra Glide motorcycle. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=193777
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    Licence to Kill, John Glen, 1989.
    Harley Davidson Electra Glide motorcycle. Deleted scene. http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle.php?id=417046
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  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    And another one.
    Moonraker, Lewis Gilbert, 1979.
    Lockheed L-188A Electra. http://www.impdb.org/index.php?title=Moonraker#Lockheed_L-188A_Electra
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  • Andi1996RueggAndi1996Ruegg Hello. It's me, Evelyn Tremble.
    Posts: 2,005
    "Richard! I'm very impressed. There's a lot more to you than I had expected."

    "Brilliant. I'm almost speechless with admiration."

    It's always a pleasure to welcome someone with a mutual interest.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited January 4 Posts: 2,876
    With pleasure, An'. With pleasure. I'll do my best.

    Also note I've posted the Greek alphabet toward the start, to collect those quick mentions from the dialog once they're ID'd. From α to...well, you know.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger The 0,07 %
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    You re a regular detective.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 2,876
    I have my sources.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Flushed away.
    edited December 2017 Posts: 11,852
    I love Greece and the Greeks and so I will be keeping a close eye on this "future classic" @RichardTheBruce thread!

    And hopefully my favourite continuation Bond novel Colonel Sun (1968) will feature at some point too! :)
  • Agent_99Agent_99 Enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    Two more Bond film hits. Take note, @Agent_99.

    Ooh, good spot (and the Lockheed too)! I've been on the back of an Electra Glide; doubt I could even hold one upright by myself.

    I'm re-reading OHMSS at the moment and there's a fair amount of Greek going on, from the 'herkos odonton' to Achilles' heel. I'll be on the lookout now!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    I've always viewed OHMSS as when Greek myth and Bond spy story meet, not only in the tragic nature of the story but the plentiful references of Greek myth and the story's usage of similar tropes.
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    I've always viewed OHMSS as when Greek myth and Bond spy story meet, not only in the tragic nature of the story but the plentiful references of Greek myth and the story's usage of similar tropes.

    Also includes Telly Savalas! Didn't the Blofeld character have Greek background, too?
  • DragonpolDragonpol Flushed away.
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    I've always viewed OHMSS as when Greek myth and Bond spy story meet, not only in the tragic nature of the story but the plentiful references of Greek myth and the story's usage of similar tropes.

    Also includes Telly Savalas! Didn't the Blofeld character have Greek background, too?

    Yes, he was half-Greek I believe.
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