Spectre versus the field: Skyfall

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  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    PTS: SP
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: TLD
    Main villain: TLD
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: TLD
    Settings: SP
    Action: TLD
    Humour: TLD
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: TLD

    TLD: 9
    SP: 9

    The worst title song and worst title (shiver me timbers ... the octopus) in SP, but great minor characters (Mr. White,Q) and very nice cinematography.

    The 9:9 does not represent that I think TLD is the better movie for sure, even with it's flaws. I love both PTS actually but I rate SP slightly higher. Will be interesting to see how it ages (if at all).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    GBF wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    This is going to be a massacre: PEGI 18.

    PTS: TLD
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: TLD
    Main villain: TLD
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humour: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: TLD
    Bond performance: TLD

    TLD: 18
    SP: 0

    Seconded.

    DALTON RULEZ™

    TLD 18
    SP 0

    Interesting result :-) I always thought SP is your favourite Bond film. Even I, who think that TLD is the best and SP is the third worst Bond film do think that SP is superiour at least in some categories.

    I tried but honestly couldn't find one category where SP would be better.
    Having said this, please know that OHMSS TLD GE and now SP too are for me the four perfect Bond film experiences.
    It's almost a tie really between those 4.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Despite SP being a slightly better film overall in my view, it was still slightly beaten by TLD judging by these standards.

    It s just a game, with set and somewhat arbitrary rules.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited October 2016 Posts: 7,314
    PTS: TLD (just an awesome intro for a new Bond)
    Title track: TLD (underrated song)
    Titles: TLD (not the greatest, but not offensive either)
    Main villain: SP (with reluctance. both are weak)
    Main Bond Girl: SP (Bond and Kara are the better couple though)
    Henchman: TLD (Necros had a personality)
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD (obviously)
    Settings: SP
    Action: TLD (it's just filled with so many great sequences)
    Humour: TLD (Bond and Saunders, Georgi, Bond in the bathroom, Bond telling Kara to drive up the ramp and into the plane)
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD (easily)
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: TLD (ok, so both are uncomfortable with one liners, but Dalton has better material overall to work with, some of which he excels at)

    TLD - 13
    SP - 5
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 19,339
    SP wipes the floor with TLD as a viewing experience....and Madeleine would shoot Kara (not in the head as she has no brain) in 1 minute....(I wish )....

    Kara : "Take me on the wheel"

    Me : "Oh,just piss off,airhead"
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2016 Posts: 9,020
    barryt007 wrote: »
    SP wipes the floor with TLD as a viewing experience....and Madeleine would shoot Kara (not in the head as she has no brain) in 1 minute....(I wish )....

    Kara : "Take me on the wheel"

    Me : "Oh,just piss off,airhead"

    If you mash up SF with TLD you get this:

    Saunders: Take the bloody shot!!
    Bond: (shoots)
    Kara: gets shot falls to her death from the window drowning in a puddle of rainwater from the other day.
    Saunders: KGB agent down.
    Bond: walking to the window staring out at the lights of a passing tram, it starts raining.
    Kara: lying in the puddle of rainwater getting washed away by the rain.
    Daniel Kleinman's SF titles with Kara getting pulled down by a shadowy hand, a-ha's The Living Daylights theme beginning to play.
  • Posts: 19,339
    barryt007 wrote: »
    SP wipes the floor with TLD as a viewing experience....and Madeleine would shoot Kara (not in the head as she has no brain) in 1 minute....(I wish )....

    Kara : "Take me on the wheel"

    Me : "Oh,just piss off,airhead"

    If you mash up SF with TLD you get this:

    Saunders: Take the bloody shot!!
    Bond: (shoots)
    Kara: gets shot falls to her death from the window drowning in a puddle of rainwater from the other day.
    Saunders: KGB agent down.
    Bond: walking to the window staring out at the lights of a passing tram, it starts raining.
    Kara: lying in the puddle of rainwater getting washed away by the rain.
    Daniel Kleinman's SF titles with Kara getting pulled down by a shadowy hand, a-ha's The Living Daylights theme beginning to play.

    As long as that hand keeps her head underwater and drowns the dopey cow ;)

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    I love Kara.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I love Kara.

    "She's all yours...just drop her over the side when you've finished"....

  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,252
    Criticisms for TLD all seem to pick on the same few issues which are not unfounded, but I don't let those impede my enjoyment. As a whole it's well packaged and my no 1 at the moment.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,691
    w2bond wrote: »
    Criticisms for TLD all seem to pick on the same few issues which are not unfounded, but I don't let those impede my enjoyment. As a whole it's well packaged and my no 1 at the moment.
    Cool, my Bond bro!
  • I am amazed to see that SP is doing at least as well with TLD as MR. This forum is full of surprises!
  • edited October 2016 Posts: 6,432
    PTS: TLD
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: TDL
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: SP
    Action: TLD
    Humour: TLD
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: TLD
    Bond performance: TLD

    SP 4
    TLD 14

    Think I have been generous to SP there
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,881
    Spectre versus The Living Daylights

    PTS: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Title track: <font color="#00FF00>SP</font>
    Titles: <font color="#00FF00>SP</font>
    Main villain: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Main Bond Girl: <font color="#FF0000>TIE</font>
    Henchman: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Plot: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Dialogue: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Score: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Settings: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Action: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Humour: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Cinematography: <font color="#00FF00>SP</font>
    Benign Bizarre: <font color="#00FF00>SP</font>
    Suspense: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Minor Characters: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>
    Glamour: <font color="#00FF00>SP</font>
    Bond performance: <font color="#0000FF>TLD</font>

    Spectre : <font color="#00FF00>5</font>
    The Living Daylights : <font color="#0000FF>12</font>
    Tie : <font color="#FF0000>1</font>

    The Living Daylights takes an easy win.


  • Posts: 1,631
    PTS: TLD
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: TDL
    Main villain: TLD
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humour: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: TLD
    Bond performance: TLD

    SP 0
    TLD 18

    One of the best Bond films versus the worst. Easy decisions all around.
  • Posts: 4,325
    PTS: TLD
    Title track: SP
    Titles: SP
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: TLD

    TLD 11-7 Spectre
  • Posts: 2,107
    PTS: SP
    Title track: AVTAK
    Titles: AVTAK
    Main villain: AVTAK
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: SP
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: AVTAK
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: SP
  • Posts: 4,025
    PTS: TLD
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: TLD
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: TLD
    Settings: SP
    Action: TLD
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: TLD

    SP 9
    TLD 9
  • Posts: 3,336
    PTS: TLD
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: SP
    Main villain: TLD
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: TLD
    Settings: SP
    Action: TLD
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: TLD

    12-6 to TLD
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,422
    PTS: TLD
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: SP
    Main villain: TLD (Even if I classed Whitaker as the big bad, I still would have given it to TLD)
    Main Bond Girl: SP (Close. Great character (Kara) up against good actress (Seydox). But my penis has spoken)
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: TLD (Duh)
    Settings: TLD (both the same, but Glen and Mills done a good job framing them)
    Action: TLD
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP (a weak aspect of the Glen directed films)
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: SP (Mr. White for the win)
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: TLD

    SP 8
    TLD 10

    Close, yet the result reflects my ranking.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited November 2016 Posts: 1,263
    PTS: The Living Daylights - One of the best PTS scenes with a great character introduction and marvelous stunts.
    Title Track: Spectre - I like a-ha, but their theme doesn't really exude Bond. I have it on the lower end of my scale (though Barry makes amazing work of it throughout the score, I cannot factor that in here fairly since it has to be a direct comparison).
    Title Credits: Spectre - The Living Daylights title sequence is part of an era of deficient creativity that goes up until Goldeneye.
    Main Villain: Spectre - Waltz takes this one with Blofeld for performing the scripted role well over the collage of makeshift villains in The Living Daylights. This quality is probably most responsible for keeping The Living Daylights from being a mainstream classic Bond film.
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre - This is a decisive win for Swann. There really is no contest for me. Kara is a step up from Stacy (A View to a Kill) in terms of acting, but at the expense of some attractiveness.
    Henchman: The Living Daylights - Necros is better than Hinx for a few reasons: He is more successful, more talented, and more evasive than Hinx to sustain his character until the climax. Hinx is more physically imposing, but Necros takes the psychological factor. It's pretty close; kudos to Necros for being one of the few henchman more formidable than Hinx.
    Plot: The Living Daylights - Cold War thriller vs. a generic surveillance flick. The Living Daylights has all of the ingredients we like as Bond fans, even if it doesn't deliver on every single end. It's good.
    Dialogue: The Living Daylights - Witty, with an effective shift in tone.
    Score: The Living Daylights - The best of Barry (right up there with OHMSS). This may have been his most expansive work for any single film of Bond with a much greater variety in themes and motifs spread across the whole picture.
    Settings: The Living Daylights - A vast amount of locales visited without feeling forced to be included.
    Action: The Living Daylights - Palpable thrills all throughout in a wide variety of situation. Spectre delivers greatly in some characteristics, but falls flat in others.
    Humor: The Living Daylights - I actually think it's more humorous by a wide margin. The jokes in Spectre feel like forced, scripted quips. The Living Daylights isn't a funny Bond film, but I like the type of sarcastic humor that Dalton was given. They obviously went with that to a greater extent with Craig when he started as Bond, only to give way to the contrived humor in his latest outing.
    Cinematography: Spectre - This is pretty close actually. I like the way The Living Daylights was shot, but it is lacking some of the gorgeous frames of the landscapes.
    Benign Bizarre: The Living Daylights - I always give this category to the film I prefer since its the most subjective quality imo. Glad I insisted you brought that cello.
    Suspense: The Living Daylights - The first half of the movie just may be the most suspenseful of the entire franchise. The second half isn't bad either, but certainly dips after a very ambitious start.
    Minor Characters: The Living Daylights - One of the largest ensemble of characters in all of the Bond franchise that do a job ranging from adequate to thrilling. Top credit belongs to John Rhys-Davies.
    Glamour: The Living Daylights - The suit fits Bond again for the first time in a while. The character and the settings play up well together.
    Bond Performance: The Living Daylights - Dalton's finest work in the franchise. He brings a steady, consistent presence to the character that I fell is lacking in his follow-up to this role. It would be interesting to consider Dalton's best vs. Craig's best, but this is clearly not the comparison for that!

    The Living Daylights: 13
    Spectre: 5

    This is the most decisive victory I have given a film in this topic to date (I only started with Moonraker). It feels wholly justified, especially given I hold The Living Daylights in my top 6-8 range across repeated marathons for years now.

    Eon could afford to look back at some of their past efforts for considering future direction. Plot-driven storytelling with real world relevance has always played very well with fans in general.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    SP vs TLD

    PTS: SP (just due to the roof top walk being too cool))
    Title track: TLD
    Titles: SP
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Henchman: TLD
    Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: TLD

    TLD: 11
    SP: 7
  • I think it's about time to get our final entries in, including yours @TheWizardOfIce. The thread needs your humor!
  • Posts: 533
    I'm going by my gut. I love both movies, but I love "THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS" more.
  • Posts: 19,339
    DRush76 wrote: »
    I'm going by my gut. I love both movies, but I love "THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS" more.

    Tut tut *wags finger n shakes head*...

  • In a result that should surprise no one, TLD picked up the win by a margin of 361-193-4. That's a respectable tally for SP, but the individual games were a much bigger blowout, going to TLD by a margin of 23-4-2.

    Anyhow, it's time for our next game now, as Spectre trudges on to fight Licence to Kill!

    PTS: SP
    Title track: SP
    Titles: SP (LTK's title track and title sequence are a bad mismatch with the actual movie)
    Main villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK (always had a soft spot for Pam)
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: SP
    Action: LTK (not even close)
    Humour: LTK ("Launder it.")
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: SP (take that, Lupe)
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: LTK (Dalton can play to his strengths more here)

    10-8 for Licence to Kill! Another surprisingly close outing against Dalton, but that's enough from me. Let's see your scores!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,691

    PTS: SP
    Title track: LTK
    Titles: SP
    Main villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: SP
    Action: LTK
    Humour: LTK
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: LTK
    11-7 for Licence to Kill!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 6,788
    PTS: LTK
    Title track: LTK
    Titles: LTK
    Main villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Henchman: LTK
    Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: SP
    Action: LTK
    Humour: LTK
    Cinematography: LTK
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: LTK
    Bond performance: LTK

    Only because Rome is my favourite city in the world and it faces a fictional city, SP grabs a point.
  • Posts: 1,631
    PTS: LTK
    Title track: LTK
    Titles: LTK
    Main villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Henchman: LTK
    Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: LTK
    Action: LTK
    Humour: LTK
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: LTK
    Bond performance: LTK

    LTK - 17
    SP - 1

    This is the easiest one of the whole contest. The best Bond film (LTK) versus the worst (SP). No contest on this one, although SP should fare better against the Brosnan films.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    PTS: SP
    Title track: LTK
    Titles: SP
    Main villain: LTK
    Main Bond Girl: LTK
    Henchman: LTK
    Plot: LTK
    Dialogue: LTK
    Score: LTK
    Settings: SP
    Action: LTK
    Humour: LTK
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: LTK
    Suspense: LTK
    Minor Characters: LTK
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: LTK

    LTK - 13
    SP - 5
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