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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    mtm wrote: »
    Folks did say that Twist And Shout would have been a potentially good choice, not just because of the Twist thing but because the Beatles didn't actually write that one, therefore they wouldn't have had to pay Apple Corps to use it. Not sure who owns it now though.

    Beatles did some great covers in there early days, Twist and Shout being one of them... good call the vocals on that track are great.

    Disney airing so much Beatles and McCartney material I would have thought that may have made things easier as DW is now on Disney.
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    The whole situation with Doctor Who and licensing agreements for Beatles music is confusing to me. The classic series had three stories that used Beatles songs: The Chase, The Evil of the Daleks, and Remembrance of the Daleks, but in the case of Remembrance the most recent DVD release had the original Beatles songs ("Do You Want to Know a Secret" and "A Taste of Honey"), whereas with the first two the footage was cut or the audio replaced.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The whole situation with Doctor Who and licensing agreements for Beatles music is confusing to me. The classic series had three stories that used Beatles songs: The Chase, The Evil of the Daleks, and Remembrance of the Daleks, but in the case of Remembrance the most recent DVD release had the original Beatles songs ("Do You Want to Know a Secret" and "A Taste of Honey"), whereas with the first two the footage was cut or the audio replaced.

    Interesting i wonder if the songs are still in the episodes on the BBCiplayer.
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    I don't know about the iPlayer, but I've heard that the Blu-ray/DVD of The Evil of the Daleks replaces "Paperback Writer" with "Hold Tight!" (by Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich), a song used prominently in Tarantino's Death Proof.
  • edited May 20 Posts: 5,887
    And on the american DVD for "The Chase", they cut the Beatles singing "Ticket to Ride" (and thus Ian dancing to the song). But it's still there on the british DVD. Music rights are really a complicated thing. For example, there won't ever be a DVD set of the series Cold Case because of that.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I will have a look on YouTube to see if anyone has discussed the change of music in Doctor Who, I am not sure if it was the rights expiring or the BBC just did not want to pay up anymore, not sure how it works in this instance.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited May 25 Posts: 23,953
    73 Yards was outstanding.

    This will be regarded as a classic in years to come.
    Anita Dobson '...this has nothing to do with me'. That was so good.

    The lack of exposition in this episode was exceptional, so much is left to the viewers imagination I loved it.

    73 Yards is the best episode since Capaldi's brilliant final two episodes.
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    I second that. Great episode all around. Of course, there are some points that would need a bit more explanation, like
    what made the people run away from the old lady
    , but I really, really liked that episode. 10/10 for me.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I thought that was electric stuff. Just superb.

    Folks everywhere will be complaining about the lack of explanations, but who cares. Kids all over the place will grow up remembering the one with the old lady you can't get near, just like they did with the giant maggots and the mummies squashing people, and those people can't remember the explanations for why those happened. It was a horror film, plain and simple- great stuff.

    Oh, and it had an actual rape subplot. Where are all the folks claiming they can see Disney's influence now? :))
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I would imagine they're out touching grass. ;))
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Not sure what that means.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    They have suggested that all those nasty bigots complaining about the show, go out and touch grass instead.
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    To be fair, Disney has dabbled in horror before. Snow White gave my brother nightmares when he watched it. And let's not forget this :

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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I read some of the casts comments, they are better off saying nothing if they want to be successful.

    The last episode was great though the reboots numbers are not good.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 26 Posts: 15,423
    The ratings overnight significantly increased for this one, curiously.

    The ratings are fine: I reckon they'll have been hoping for 5 or so million, after 7 days I think the first ones managed 4 or so and were right up the top of the 10 most watched shows of the week. Could have been better, but no disaster at all.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Another absolute stunner this week. I'm so glad DW is back after the last few years of doldrums.
    I did not expect it to go there either: brilliantly handled. And after that final scene Gatwa is 100% the Doctor for me now. I could see his old soul poking through.
    One tiny complaint: after two eps in a row where the Doctor isn't really there I'm ready for him to be centre stage again.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    RTD succeeded in writing one of the most appalling characters I have seen on TV for a long time, and I felt that very early into the episode.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes, it was brilliantly done. I didn't spot quite where it was going, although there were loads of clues along the way. It was like a dark version of Lego Movie or Barbie where Barbie turns out to be evil :D
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    Yes, I really didn't expect that twist. The episode started like a satire of mobile devices and social media, and took a turn for the really dark. But it's not the first time the Doctor has saved someone(s) who maybe didn't really deserve to be saved ("Voyage of the Damned", anyone ?). Anyway, just like "73 Yards", this episode will be talked about for a long time to come.
  • rock223rock223 Isenburg
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    I agree, that twist completely caught me by surprise.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    The way Dot and Bubble ended and some of the other dialogue, I would not be surprised if we saw those ***** in the season finale Empire of Evil or there future generations.

    As this is such a short season and there is not much more room for development of other villains I think there return is possible, Dot and Bubble Could act as a origin story and RTD likes to link his episodes together.

    I am not liking the fantastical god like villains at all like the Maestro, I rather have a more grounded main antagonist.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Oh man, that hit me like a freight train, I was in tears.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Wasn't Gatwa great?
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited June 3 Posts: 14,196
    He's brilliant. From what I read, this was his first acting scene or episode filmed in this series. Very interesting and sobering discussion over on Reddit, many people reflecting and questioning themselves following this episode, myself included, to be honest.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/gallifrey/comments/1d5a2l5/doctor_who_1x05_dot_and_bubble_postepisode/
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited June 8 Posts: 23,953
    After three good episodes Rogue was awful, strong candidate for worst of season.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I thought that was just what we needed: a fairly standard runaround episode with fun baddies and the Doctor centre stage. I like these occasional sort of Irene Adler ones, although it wasn't up there with Girl in the Fireplace.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Bond props in Doctor Who

    Since I've been watching the series from the beginning, I've spotted a few Bond props here and there:

    As you all would know by now, the Morse code hairbrush from LALD appeared in one of the 4th Doctor serials 'Revenge of the Cybermen', with the minor modification of a plug-in cable. From memory, the story goes that Moore visited the set and gifted it to the crew.

    Serial: Revenge of the Cybermen
    Prop: Bond's Morse code hairbrush communicator

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    In 4th Doctor serials 'The Invisible Enemy' and 'The Invasion of Time', we can see silver control panels with lights and a sliding lever. These control panels were seen in Kananga's lair, either side of the gravestone elevator. The lever knob itself is a hotel room key ring fob, possibly the same one Bond handles when being shown his hotel suite in OHMSS.

    Serials: The Invisible Enemy; The Invasion of Time
    Prop: Control panel from Kananga's cavern lair entrance

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    Tenth Doctor episodes 'The Impossible Planet' and 'The Waters of Mars' feature IDA props from the Kazakhstan silo in TWINE. Seen outside near the entrance when Bond first arrives, and then behind Christmas Jones when she first approaches Bond.

    Episodes: The Impossible Planet; The Waters of Mars
    Prop: Silver IDA props with orange metal frame and ducting hoses (hoses removed)

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    I expect there's more to find!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,953
    QBranch wrote: »
    Bond props in Doctor Who

    Since I've been watching the series from the beginning, I've spotted a few Bond props here and there:

    As you all would know by now, the Morse code hairbrush from LALD appeared in one of the 4th Doctor serials 'Revenge of the Cybermen', with the minor modification of a plug-in cable. From memory, the story goes that Moore visited the set and gifted it to the crew.

    Serial: Revenge of the Cybermen
    Prop: Bond's Morse code hairbrush communicator

    53779577406_daeb0ae3c8.jpg
    53778612662_3afa179099_o.jpg
    53779749338_b0e23d0cbd_o.jpg

    In 4th Doctor serials 'The Invisible Enemy' and 'The Invasion of Time', we can see silver control panels with lights and a sliding lever. These control panels were seen in Kananga's lair, either side of the gravestone elevator. The lever knob itself is a hotel room key ring fob, possibly the same one Bond handles when being shown his hotel suite in OHMSS.

    Serials: The Invisible Enemy; The Invasion of Time
    Prop: Control panel from Kananga's cavern lair entrance

    53779611106_9dd4e15e74_z.jpg
    53779952705_ea630eca55_o.jpg
    53779530851_c644fe2edc_o.jpg
    53779743583_d6b640f484_o.jpg
    53779743588_7e0b86ddf2_o.jpg

    Tenth Doctor episodes 'The Impossible Planet' and 'The Waters of Mars' feature IDA props from the Kazakhstan silo in TWINE. Seen outside near the entrance when Bond first arrives, and then behind Christmas Jones when she first approaches Bond.

    Episodes: The Impossible Planet; The Waters of Mars
    Prop: Silver IDA props with orange metal frame and ducting hoses (hoses removed)

    53780076620_4cd82d7cd1_o.jpg
    53778615967_75ae8a6282_o.png
    53778615957_a31df483bc_o.png
    53778615942_e18c3c09f9_o.png

    I expect there's more to find!

    Wow that is pretty awesome, when I next watch classic Who I will see if I notice any more.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Today I learned that the actor that plays Packer in The Invasion, was also the vicar in Remembrance Of The Daleks. I had no idea.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    After three good episodes Rogue was awful, strong candidate for worst of season.

    Why?
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