No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 18 Posts: 2,109
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The total media blackout by Eon is all thanks to the hackers who ruined the build up and production of Spectre. So to be fair I am not surprised this has happened and believe that this will become the norm after the B/O takings for SP as apposed to SF.

    As most people may have read the leaked script......etc. Although I understand it and don't mind not knowing every single detail about the upcoming film? A little reassurance would be most welcome after so many set backs.
    I think this as well. They've learned some hard lessons off the back of Spectre. I also remember that pretty much the whole cast had been rumoured and reported on before the announcement, so I'm happy we're lacking on that front because I remember being so let down by that particular conference.

    One of the best things about the press conferences are the surprises and in Spectre's case there wasn't any.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 8,670
    Let's also hope that we won't get the curse of the American Bond girl. Because, apart from Lazenby's last (and first) entry:

    DAF: Jill St. John (NSNA: Kim Basinger)
    AVTAK: Tanya Roberts
    LTK: Carey Lowell
    DAD: Halle Berry
    What curse? LTK (and Pam) are generally considered decent additions here and on other Bond forums.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited February 19 Posts: 165
    I'll give you Pam and LTK, but I find it an amusing coincidence that all the other major actors who played Bond ended their tenure on some quite reviled or subpar entry that systematically featured an American actress giving a lackluster performance as the lead Bond girl.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 19 Posts: 2,109
    If people would still like to wrap their heads around the delay, here's an article covering all possibilities, written by Jack Lugo over on James Bond Radio:

    http://jamesbondradio.com/processing-the-latest-bond-25-developments/
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    If people would still like to wrap their heads around the delay, here's an article covering all possibilities, written by Jack Lugo over on James Bond Radio:

    http://jamesbondradio.com/processing-the-latest-bond-25-developments/

    I really liked that article. Different perspectives on what might be going on.
    I like to think that with all the different creative ideas being tossed around script wise, as soon as it strays too far from Bond, Michael and Barbara remember Cubby's advice to not let anyone come in and screw it all up. I do like to believe they are very protective of Bond. So maybe we dodged a bullet with Burns coming on to tweak the script and the 2 month delay.
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    Let's also hope that we won't get the curse of the American Bond girl. Because, apart from Lazenby's last (and first) entry:

    DAF: Jill St. John (NSNA: Kim Basinger)
    AVTAK: Tanya Roberts
    LTK: Carey Lowell
    DAD: Halle Berry

    LTK is dope.
  • edited February 19 Posts: 361
    Of a certain interest to me now is how quickly EON can get B26 underway once B25 drops.

    I would hope that the new guy is firmly in the cross hairs and a decent handful of treatments exist.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we got a Cubby-style two-year turnaround.

    Risico, the triumphant return of Bond in a no-fuss espionage adventure with great stunts, coming to a theatre near you in December 2022.

  • Posts: 9,536
    GetCarter wrote: »
    Of a certain interest to me now is how quickly EON can get B26 underway once B25 drops.

    I would hope that the new guy is firmly in the cross hairs and a decent handful of treatments exist.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we got a Cubby-style two-year turnaround.

    Risico, the triumphant return of Bond in a no-fuss espionage adventure with great stunts, coming to a theatre near you in December 2022.

    I'd love that.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya “We are thrilled to delay B25”
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    @GetCarter four years is an accomplishment for these guys. Stop thinking about a 2 year cycle or you’ll gouge your eyes out.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 2,109
    GetCarter wrote: »
    I would hope that the new guy is firmly in the cross hairs and a decent handful of treatments exist.
    I doubt it very much.
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    GetCarter wrote: »
    I would hope that the new guy is firmly in the cross hairs and a decent handful of treatments exist.
    I doubt it very much.

    I wonder how much a three-pager would cost. For a top-line writer, maybe 10-20k?

    I’d be surprised if EON didn’t have a few ideas. The longer an incumbent actor’s tenure goes on, the more “offcuts” you’d accumulate that didn’t fit into the current template for whatever reason.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited February 19 Posts: 165
    Denbigh wrote: »
    If people would still like to wrap their heads around the delay, here's an article covering all possibilities, written by Jack Lugo over on James Bond Radio:

    http://jamesbondradio.com/processing-the-latest-bond-25-developments/

    The author makes very reasonable suppositions. I'm not an insider at all, and I don't work in this industry, but I try to follow how films get developed and produced, and it's almost always a convoluted process. Delays can come from somewhat "minor" issues rather than being the symptoms for a huge problem.

    For instance, it could be that EON and Fukunaga were a little optimistic in September when they assumed they could start production in March and release the film in February 2020. I don't understand why people would conclude that things have been going sour lately. Let's say, on the contrary, that they finally noticed some big issues with the script that nobody had spotted until then. Like Blofeld as a foster brother-big.

    In this kind of production, it's a given that they pay a hefty sum to a series of guys billed as "consultants" to read a draft and to make observations on it. That's one of the tasks of a script doctor. For Bond, they would get asked, under NDA, to read a printed copy in a secure room and to highlight during a meeting what doesn't work and what should be changed. That's an actual skill for script doctors and producers/show runners. Many people can find a script unsatisfying or underwhelming, but few can articulate precisely why. Being able to identify on the spot problems and to give explanations about them is a hugely valued talent, even more if you can also pitch suggestions about how to fix them.
    Maybe EON was able to get Burns in London for a day or two. He reads the script, makes his remarks to Michael, Babs and Cary, they nod in approval as he's apparently found the stuff they were circling around previously.
    'Hey, you really made a huge impression, could you uphaul the script and put your fixes on it?'
    'Yeah, I could be available for four weeks in March.'
    'Mmmm... that's not possible, we have to start production in early March. Unless we get another delay, we'll have to pass your suggestions to Neal and Bob.'
    Then the F&F9 "miracle" happens, and they revise the schedule to allow Burns to spray his script-doctoring pixie dust all over a new draft.
  • =bg==bg= SFO
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    GetCarter wrote: »
    Of a certain interest to me now is how quickly EON can get B26 underway once B25 drops.

    I would hope that the new guy is firmly in the cross hairs and a decent handful of treatments exist.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we got a Cubby-style two-year turnaround.

    Risico, the triumphant return of Bond in a no-fuss espionage adventure with great stunts, coming to a theatre near you in December 2022.

    I'd love that.

    I'd love a 1964 DB5 in Silver Birch in my garage too, and that's not going to happen either.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
    edited February 19 Posts: 544
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Very good post @NS_writings.

    Regarding Anthony Burgess (my favourite writer by the way), I don't remember a boxing kangaroo in his project but there were sadoerotic elements and he meant to kill Bond midway in the movie. By his own admission he said he didn't expect for his script to be used.

    Thanks for your appreciation!

    Just checked and yep, the boxing kangaroo was there. Here's the exact quote on Burgess' involvement.

    Among them was the novelist Anthony Burgess, author of A Clockwork Orange. His rather offbeat treatment and rejected screenplay featured both Bond and Henry Kissinger naked, a plot to blow up the Queen at the Sydney Opera House, and a boxing kangaroo. As a bonus, he also penned lyrics for a potential title song: "The spy who loved me / ceased to be a spy / he shut his spying eye/ to all but me".

    My point is that I want EON to hire important filmmakers/writers but they should be supervised. Back then, when Boyle was announced, I started to watch some of his films (I only knew Slumdog Millonaire, which I liked but of course was not Bondian). Trainspotting had some funny bits, but I couldn't understand the praise and overwhelm for it. As for Trance, it was much closer to my tastes and slightly closer to what a Boyle Bond film could be. Yet all the
    hero ends up being the villain, villain ends up being the hero and the girl controls them both
    was unnecessary to me, plus the intense violence.

    MGW and BB know there are boundaries between Ian Fleming's Bond and Cubby and Harry's Bond, and their movies are always between these two poles. Someone else with the rights? They'll do whatever they want that sounds commercial (EON also does, but the others would go too far).

    Reconstruction of the Boyle/Hodge treatment where Bond was incarcerated for most of the movie...

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  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited February 19 Posts: 2,879
    GetCarter wrote: »
    Of a certain interest to me now is how quickly EON can get B26 underway once B25 drops.

    I would hope that the new guy is firmly in the cross hairs and a decent handful of treatments exist.

    Wouldn’t it be great if we got a Cubby-style two-year turnaround.

    Risico, the triumphant return of Bond in a no-fuss espionage adventure with great stunts, coming to a theatre near you in December 2022.

    I’d love all of this, and I still think we may see the bolded happen in B26. The rest, especially the timetable, is unfortunately a pipe dream.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 3,469
    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    I’d legitimately be devastated if he left. He’s my favorite Bond of all time.

    He's mine too. I can't think of a single living actor that could successfully replace him. I have ideas, but I doubt they'd own the role the way he has. He's made it an impossible task to replace him. I think Babs knows that too. It's why he wields so much power.

    ^This. Thank you.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited February 19 Posts: 11,508
    If Cary gives us something dark and compelling, with a great story - and with visuals that impress as much as I was impressed with True Detective, I'm fine with that.

    I don't need a happy Bond throughout, with formula points ticked, that is a no-fuss espionage. I want some complexity and layers, though I sure don't want Bond to die (even if left ambigiously a la novel FRWL) or suffer horrendously for the majority of the film. I want the balance the CR has. I want kick ass action (and I do think of John Wick at times when I think of action sequences I love these days). I do want Bond to have his mojo back, in general.

    But this film will have an arc, of course - Bond will go thru some things that may well change him a bit, and I want a solid ending that is satisfying. Ending with a great girl and some Taittinger at hand? OK if it doesn't feel tacked on. Ending with him in silhouette? I'm okay with that too. Just give me a great adventure, with some seriousness and some humor ... and again we see how the script is critical. I don't mind the delay to finish the writing if it's going to produce more quality for this film. I like EON caring enough to push this. And I still trust this director.

    So I'm fine with it being a slightly "different" kind of Bond film. CR was. And Skyfall was, too. Just my opinion and what I am thinking of what would be satisfying for me.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 4,706
    FoxRox wrote: »

    I absolutely love the reply to this first comment,

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    IrvingForbush
    14 hours ago

    Here's a bold thought. Why not write a script for a movie you're excited to make, then decide when that movie should come out?


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    Davis McArdle IrvingForbush
    12 hours ago

    Because it's called Show Business, not Show Art?

    - Copyright Jean Seberg, 1960something


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    At this rate QOS will end up being the most conventional Bond film of Craig's tenure.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    At this rate QOS will end up being the most conventional Bond film of Craig's tenure.

    I’d argue that it’s SP. But it wasn’t executed so well.
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    Posts: 1,454
    Getafix wrote: »
    At this rate QOS will end up being the most conventional Bond film of Craig's tenure.

    It actually has a lot of traditional elements to it. Took a while for me to realize it.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya “We are thrilled to delay B25”
    Posts: 2,539
    Getafix wrote: »
    At this rate QOS will end up being the most conventional Bond film of Craig's tenure.

    Fine by me. If only they could replicate what made QOS great for B25
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,090
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The total media blackout by Eon is all thanks to the hackers who ruined the build up and production of Spectre. So to be fair I am not surprised this has happened and believe that this will become the norm after the B/O takings for SP as apposed to SF.

    I don't really get this. The Sony leaks more than anything exposed what a doo-doo show the SP preproduction was and all the bs drama that shouldn't have even happened anyway. If anything, now, it just looks like EoN have something to hide and with the factors instrumental to the delays we're getting for Bond 25 it seems like they haven't really learned their lesson. No other film studio/production company are being this obsessively secretive and closed off. I'm not expecting and not do I need full and continuous transparency of EVERYTHING they're doing. I'd rather they just get on with things and get sh1t done. However, EoN need to offer more interaction than what they're doing now to actually have a relationship with the fan base. The only continuous thing keeping Bond in the fabric of public interest is the never ending discussion from bored media outlets is, who the he'll should be the next Bond. That crap doesn't count.

    As most people may have read the leaked script......etc. Although I understand it and don't mind not knowing every single detail about the upcoming film? A little reassurance would be most welcome after so many set backs.

    100% but EoN need to understand the concept of a 2 way relationship between themselves and the fans. A near 60 years of movies is no excuse to be so distant and absent. As displayed on this website alone Bond fans are fiercely loyal, some even to a worrying degree but the loyalty and interest is there. EoN are relying too heavily on the Bond name and expecting people to flood the BO with their cash. In this day and age with the business model they're using, it's not reliably sustainable and then they'll be wondering wtf happened.

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    Sorry to say but the fan base isn't what makes a film succeed or fail, it's the interest of the general audience. 95% of members here will front up for B25 in theatres no matter what EoN does or doesn't do, that's not who they have to work on.

    Most members of the GA have an interest level of "Is Idris the new Bond?" to "Are they doing another one?" to "Whatever." at this point
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,203
    doubleoego wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The total media blackout by Eon is all thanks to the hackers who ruined the build up and production of Spectre. So to be fair I am not surprised this has happened and believe that this will become the norm after the B/O takings for SP as apposed to SF.

    I don't really get this. The Sony leaks more than anything exposed what a doo-doo show the SP preproduction was and all the bs drama that shouldn't have even happened anyway. If anything, now, it just looks like EoN have something to hide and with the factors instrumental to the delays we're getting for Bond 25 it seems like they haven't really learned their lesson. No other film studio/production company are being this obsessively secretive and closed off. I'm not expecting and not do I need full and continuous transparency of EVERYTHING they're doing. I'd rather they just get on with things and get sh1t done. However, EoN need to offer more interaction than what they're doing now to actually have a relationship with the fan base. The only continuous thing keeping Bond in the fabric of public interest is the never ending discussion from bored media outlets is, who the he'll should be the next Bond. That crap doesn't count.

    As most people may have read the leaked script......etc. Although I understand it and don't mind not knowing every single detail about the upcoming film? A little reassurance would be most welcome after so many set backs.

    100% but EoN need to understand the concept of a 2 way relationship between themselves and the fans. A near 60 years of movies is no excuse to be so distant and absent. As displayed on this website alone Bond fans are fiercely loyal, some even to a worrying degree but the loyalty and interest is there. EoN are relying too heavily on the Bond name and expecting people to flood the BO with their cash. In this day and age with the business model they're using, it's not reliably sustainable and then they'll be wondering wtf happened.

    What would your solution be? What is it that we should expect at this juncture?
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 1,387
    doubleoego wrote: »
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    The total media blackout by Eon is all thanks to the hackers who ruined the build up and production of Spectre. So to be fair I am not surprised this has happened and believe that this will become the norm after the B/O takings for SP as apposed to SF.
    No other film studio/production company are being this obsessively secretive and closed off. I'm not expecting and not do I need full and continuous transparency of EVERYTHING they're doing. I'd rather they just get on with things and get sh1t done. However, EoN need to offer more interaction than what they're doing now to actually have a relationship with the fan base. The only continuous thing keeping Bond in the fabric of public interest is the never ending discussion from bored media outlets is, who the he'll should be the next Bond. That crap doesn't count.

    Well, Star Wars Ep. IX just finished filming and we don't know even the bloody title. Speaking about being secretive... We, as Bond fans, are able to know the title of the movie, the complete official cast and crew plus all the locations featured in the movie even before production officially start.

    Complaining just for the sake of complaining. I can understand the anxiety since the last Bond came out in 2015 with all the troubles this production experienced with a lot of time wasted with Boyle. But we can't expect EoN is goin to share something with the fans at this stage.


    BTW, 13 days until filming officially begins.

    XD
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    Variety’s reporter, Justin Kroll, is hunting that after the holiday weekend he is planning on dropping some scoops....is this finally Bond?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1097668913016389632
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 1,387
    Variety’s reporter, Justin Kroll, is hunting that after the holiday weekend he is planning on dropping some scoops....is this finally Bond?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1097668913016389632

    Well, since the production is still supposed to be starting in less than 2 weeks, at least "officially", it makes sense to some scoop to drop. Hopefully, regarding people joining the ship, not abandon it. XD
  • Posts: 7,251
    matt_u wrote: »
    Variety’s reporter, Justin Kroll, is hunting that after the holiday weekend he is planning on dropping some scoops....is this finally Bond?

    https://mobile.twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1097668913016389632

    Well, since the production is still supposed to be starting in less than 2 weeks, at least "officially", it makes sense to some scoop to drop. Hopefully, regarding people joining the ship, not abandon it. XD

    Agreed
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