No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I DO have something against EoN and it's their half arsed ability to properly produce. The size of the company has nothing to do with my issue with them; it's their approach, especially more so as their experience trounces most if not all other production companies out there. They've seen and been through it all yet, their "experience" is something they consistently find terribly difficult to learn from.

    3 to 4 year gaps out of your control? Sucks but ok not your fault but in THAT time, get things done. Iron things out. Make things clear before bringing people on board. Generally speaking it's not uncommon for actors or directors to drop out of a movie, some even a lot closer to filming or worse yet during principal photography but when EoN and it's loyalists promote "things are always happening" ibn the midst of having all the time in the world and then months out we hear of script issues, the producers not being happy with the writer's work or whatever such issue that poses a potential threat to the production, its...just not good enough and there isntvanythingbanuone can say that can make me think otherwise.

    I love EoN believe it or not and I have so much respect for their history but that's kind of the problem; their history needs to not be only that. Say what you will about Marvel and the backing of Disney but Feige is still one man who actually does his job thoroughly for the most part as a producer and He's juggling MULTIPLE franchises. When he talks, you know he knows wtf He's talking about. When EoN talk they either gush about Craig being the right man for the job or go on about Bond's cinematic history and the reliance of current geopolitical issues they can latch on to in order to have some story to tell. EoN, do better and get more creative! Damn. Shouldn't be telling you how to do your job.
    Comment of the week. The single most frustrating thing about EON is their inability to produce a good script within one or two years after the release of the latest Bond movie. They say they are tired, but how much effort does it take to hire (right after the premiere of the latest Bond movie) one or two competent writers to write the script of the next Bond movie before heading to Hawaii to relax for 6 months?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    While I don't despise EON or Babs, and respect what they've achieved commercially, it's hard not to feel frustrated by what appears to be a pattern of poor planning. QoS, SF, SP and now B25 all delayed or plagued by rushed or poorly written screenplays and/or a failure to have a director in place.

    I read something earlier about how after CR in 2006 EON had actually hoped to get QoS out in 2007, which led to a rushed production schedule and the inevitable push back to 2008.

    If they were looking at putting out films in consecutive years as recently as 2007, how is it a decade later we're looking at 4 to 5 year gaps as standard, and they still don't seem to be able to get their ducks lined up.

    I see a lot of people defending EON on here but frankly the excuses are beginning to wear pretty thin.

    As far as I know Bond 22 initially had a planned release date for May 2008 before being pushed back to November. A 2007 release was never in the cards as far as I can recall. That always seemed more like something fans hoped for just so the film could promote itself with its once in a thousand year chance of releasing a film in the 007 of the decade. I know after MGM had been restructured and SKYFALL was in pre-production that they were hoping to go back to the every other year method and aim for a Bond 24 in 2014, which even then Babs dismissed.

    I rather not go back to the every other year method, not unless there's better quality control involved. The last time the series has a consistent rate of every other year was in the 90s and those were among the weakest of the series. I rather wait three to four years for a quality film than two for a less than mediocre film.

    there's an interview with Roger Michell or whatever his name is saying EON wanted QOS to come out in 2007. sounds far fetched but that's what he says

    You're right. This is from "Some Kind of Hero".

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    The book also says "May 2008" was the first release date they actually set, meaning the 2007 release was only something they discussed but they most likely never thought they would be able to release a movie that fast.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I feel that EON should do what they did with GE and TND. Hire a bunch of writers to do a bunch of scripts, so that they can always plan ahead, for the next Bond actor. Just no Purvis and Wade please!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Not sure if this was posted earlier, but apparently there was some clash with Babs. These guys speculate it's back to P&W and possibly Demange. Interesting if true.

    http://entertainment.ie/cinema/news/Danny-Boyle-reportedly-quit-Bond-25-over-casting-clashes-with-Daniel-Craig/407745.htm
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 613
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I feel that EON should do what they did with GE and TND. Hire a bunch of writers to do a bunch of scripts, so that they can always plan ahead, for the next Bond actor. Just no Purvis and Wade please!

    That strategy didn't work either. In 1993 they had at least three writers on staff -- Michael France, John Cork, Richard Smith -- and they ended up scrapping almost everything they wrote (France at least ended up with a story credit on GE).

    The writing of TND was an absolute disaster. EON had a ton of writers on that movie and still went into production without a completed script.

    With the possible exception of CR, the scripts have never gone smoothly since the departure of Maibaum and, as a writer, MGW.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted earlier, but apparently there was some clash with Babs. These guys speculate it's back to P&W and possibly Demange. Interesting if true.

    http://entertainment.ie/cinema/news/Danny-Boyle-reportedly-quit-Bond-25-over-casting-clashes-with-Daniel-Craig/407745.htm

    Hiring Demange is this film's only potential saving grace as far as I'm concerned.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The writing of TND was an absolute disaster. EON had a ton of writers on that movie and still went into production without a completed script.
    It showed imho. TND and SP were troubled productions, and in many ways the finished products remind me of one another. Hodgepodge pastiche that doesn't gel. The ingredients are all there, but they seem overly familiar and not up to the level of prior films which they seek to emulate.

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    doubleoego wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted earlier, but apparently there was some clash with Babs. These guys speculate it's back to P&W and possibly Demange. Interesting if true.

    http://entertainment.ie/cinema/news/Danny-Boyle-reportedly-quit-Bond-25-over-casting-clashes-with-Daniel-Craig/407745.htm

    Hiring Demange is this film's only potential saving grace as far as I'm concerned.
    I wasn't in favour of him previously due to his lack of brand stature, but maybe he can bring that fresh dynamism which I feel has been missing for a bit.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I feel that EON should do what they did with GE and TND. Hire a bunch of writers to do a bunch of scripts, so that they can always plan ahead, for the next Bond actor. Just no Purvis and Wade please!

    That strategy didn't work either. In 1993 they had at least three writers on staff -- Michael France, John Cork, Richard Smith -- and they ended up scrapping almost everything they wrote (France at least ended up with a story credit on GE).

    The writing of TND was an absolute disaster. EON had a ton of writers on that movie and still went into production without a completed script.

    With the possible exception of CR, the scripts have never gone smoothly since the departure of Maibaum and, as a writer, MGW.

    I guess you're right. However, GE got changed because of True Lies. It still turned out ok.

  • 3 to 4 year gaps out of your control? Sucks but ok not your fault but in THAT time, get things done. Iron things out. Make things clear before bringing people on board. i

    Spot on. With 3/4 year gaps it really is unforgivable to be three months away from shooting without a completed script. One that's been polished, one that the key players are happy with. Quite how the current team would have coped in the 60s when the series operated on a one year cycle, I dread to think.

  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    SonofSean wrote: »
    Even if Hodge has left, the screenplay and any of the ideas (which would have input from Craig, Babs et al) will be property of EON. If you write a script for EON, then you get paid and then EON does what they like with it. If Hodge is gone, the story and ideas remain property of EON. I think they'll keep the script, polish with a bit of Purvis and Wade and start filming in December. Don't see them throwing out the baby with the bath water folks.

    Thank you everyone just needs to calm down don't you think eon would've announced a delay while announcing boyle's departure.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited August 2018 Posts: 5,921
    bondjames wrote: »
    Escalus5 wrote: »
    The writing of TND was an absolute disaster. EON had a ton of writers on that movie and still went into production without a completed script.
    It showed imho. TND and SP were troubled productions, and in many ways the finished products remind me of one another. Hodgepodge pastiche that doesn't gel. The ingredients are all there, but they seem overly familiar and not up to the level of prior films which they seek to emulate.

    EDIT:
    doubleoego wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Not sure if this was posted earlier, but apparently there was some clash with Babs. These guys speculate it's back to P&W and possibly Demange. Interesting if true.

    http://entertainment.ie/cinema/news/Danny-Boyle-reportedly-quit-Bond-25-over-casting-clashes-with-Daniel-Craig/407745.htm

    Hiring Demange is this film's only potential saving grace as far as I'm concerned.
    I wasn't in favour of him previously due to his lack of brand stature, but maybe he can bring that fresh dynamism which I feel has been missing for a bit.

    In most circumstances, it is a bad idea to go into production with an unfinished script. In rare circumstances, the production salvages the script somehow (The Bourne Ultimatum comes to mind).

    I like the multiple scripts idea. Hey, it worked for TSWLM. Because there have been so many Bond films, each new one presents a unique difficulty in coming up with a fresh story. And there are writing constraints that go back to Cubby, such as Bond not putting the public in danger (which is why the SP PTS doesn't totally work, IMHO). This particular writing constraint is also why you see ludicrous moments like the policemen getting out of the tank-crushed car in GE.

    The reigniting of the Cold War is a timely idea and made total sense when I started to hear the casting leaks. The US and the UK are both in a Putin-ruled world now. I feel like there is more to Boyle's exit which we may or may not hear...
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    Craig is a very old snowflake
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,965
    Demange or Mendes is fine if they can still hit a 2019 release date like promised. Otherwise just cut your loses. It really isn't worth it drawing things out so long so a 51 year old, as Craig will be in 2020, can be Bond "one last time". The tenure already feels stretched and thinned out by long gaps, ending on a 5 year gap would just be adding insult to injury. Does EON think for a second for those who simply aren't madly in love with Craig as Bond, or are just ready for something fresh? Because it seems like as time goes on there are greater numbers who, regardless of how they feel about Craig, would prefer something different. A change in direction. And it's still only 2018! By twenty twenty, there could be more people waiting for the next Bond than there are for Craig's finale outing.

    If Craig is staying for Bond 25, they need a new director ASAP. If demange was viewed as unworthy before, they might want to reconsider now. Same goes for Mendes, but it seems like Craig burned that bridge. Point being, EON cannot afford to be picky at this stage.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    While I don't despise EON or Babs, and respect what they've achieved commercially, it's hard not to feel frustrated by what appears to be a pattern of poor planning. QoS, SF, SP and now B25 all delayed or plagued by rushed or poorly written screenplays and/or a failure to have a director in place.
    . . .

    I see a lot of people defending EON on here but frankly the excuses are beginning to wear pretty thin.

    Hear hear. This is a big frustration for me. It may emerge that Boyle was simply impossible to work with, and in that case letting him go was the right thing to do.

    But they've painted themselves into a corner again.

    After SF and SP, they'd made 2 billion $ and gained a lot of momentum and goodwill. The day SP hit theatres they should have been sitting down with their dream list of directors, plotting out a long-term plan and seeing who had space on their calendars. They should have hired some great people to put together a few rough treatments.

    Basically, they should be coming from a position of strength here. And instead, the clock is ticking and they're going back to the drawing board, again, with no director, no cast, and the script in limbo. It shouldn't be this way.

    It could all work out fine in the end, but you're now scrambling to find a director who's free on short notice, instead of moving from the start with the director you're most keen to work with and a solid plan in place.

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    There was a rumor eon had demange write up an rough draft then tossed him aside.
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    Sounds like the Hodge script is being tossed aside and they don’t want to return to P&W as they are looking for a writer-director to replace Boyle https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-release-date-danny-boyle-1202915388/
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Sounds like the Hodge script is being tossed aside and they don’t want to return to P&W as they are looking for a writer-director to replace Boyle https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-release-date-danny-boyle-1202915388/

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It is a dilemma. Rush into production and risk a QoS script debacle or delay and wait for a new script. I hope that they find a good screenwriter with a fresh take on things.
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    Has the preproduction of any Bond film ever been this troubled before?
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    antovolk wrote: »
    Sounds like the Hodge script is being tossed aside and they don’t want to return to P&W as they are looking for a writer-director to replace Boyle https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-release-date-danny-boyle-1202915388/

    Oh dear God...
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    antovolk wrote: »
    Sounds like the Hodge script is being tossed aside and they don’t want to return to P&W as they are looking for a writer-director to replace Boyle https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-release-date-danny-boyle-1202915388/

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    Precisely.
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    Like a well oiled machine
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Has the preproduction of any Bond film ever been this troubled before?

    Yes. QoS and LTK both were hobbled by writers' strikes and loss of writing talent. (IIRC Craig was writing his lines on the fly.)

    TSWLM is probably the closest correlate. Cubby was striking out on his own for the first time, was coming off TMWTGG's poor performance, and was fighting off McClory in the courts.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    That means they are replacing Craig, no? There is no way they could write a new script and produce a movie for 2019, or even summer 2020 now.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 4,619
    antovolk wrote: »
    Sounds like the Hodge script is being tossed aside and they don’t want to return to P&W as they are looking for a writer-director to replace Boyle https://variety.com/2018/film/news/bond-25-release-date-danny-boyle-1202915388/

    "While the production and release date may be moving, one thing is for certain, and that is that Craig won’t be hanging up Bond’s signature Walther PPK anytime soon. When the announcement was made on the official 007 Twitter handle that Boyle would be leaving, the statement was not only attributed to Broccoli and Wilson. Craig, who has been a producer on the franchise since “Spectre,” also provided a quote."

    It seems more and more likely the reason they are clinging to Craig this much is that they have already decided to sell the franchsie (or at least retire from it) after Craig is gone. MGW will probably exit the franchise after Bond 25 anyway because of his age, and it's entirely reasonable to believe that Barbara Broccoli has no interest in producing future Bond movies without Craig.

    This is a new dark age, but remember, the night is darkest just before the dawn. Bond will rise again.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 6,665
    It seems more and more likely the reason they are clinging to Craig this much is that they have already decided to sell the franchsie (or at least retire from it) after Craig is gone. MGW will probably exit the franchise after Bond 25 anyway because of his age, and it's entirely reasonable to believe that Barbara Broccoli has no interest in producing future Bond movies without Craig. This is a new dark age, but remember, the night is darkest just before the dawn. Bond will rise again.

    ?!?

    (can someone hand me that Ryan Reynolds gif?)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Perhaps Nolan maybe the new proprietor.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 3,164
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Perhaps Nolan maybe the new proprietor.

    On Nolan, as long as Universal is attached to B25 as distributor he can’t really come on board because of his deal with WB. Distribution would have to be renegotiated. Happened once with Interstellar- was originally a Paramount project with Spielberg, when Nolan came on board WB took over international.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    antovolk wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Perhaps Nolan maybe the new proprietor.

    On Nolan, as long as Universal is attached to B25 as distributor he can’t really come on board because of his deal with WB. Distribution would have to be renegotiated. Happened once with Interstellar- was originally a Paramount project with Spielberg, when Nolan came on board WB took over international.

    I see.
  • Posts: 1,407
    Guys. We are getting a new Bond film. Yes it's taking longer than it should. Yes, mistakes have been made along the way. But there are other franchises (Star trek) who have much more uncertainty around them. We'll be fine. And guess what? After Bond 25, we will get a new Bond film after that. Everyone take a breath and enjoy the ride
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