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I didn't realize you got to tell me which part of his comment I could debate.
My entire point, for almost the entire duration of this thread, is to keep the discussion on track by focusing on separating what is factual and what is opinion. Our new found male models assertion is blatantly ridiculous and detracts from any reasoned discussion. But frankly, I have pretty much given up. Hardly anyone seems to know what they don't know, and anything from confusing opinion with fact to blatant misrepresentation is making it not really worth it.
If anyone wants to know why his suits don't fit and examples of tight cut clothing that does fit, they can just scroll back up the thread to all the examples.
It's about 90% the guy is a sockpuppet anyway, so I don't even know why I bother.
I feel honoured.
I think exactly the opposite is true. Bond shouldn't look like an MMA fighter or bouncer stuffed into a suit, he should look like a businessman (which is usually his cover, right?) who surprises people with his fighting skills. Like Colin Firth in Kingsmen (his style was a little too old-fashioned, but his clothes fit great. Besides, as someone said, the tight suits don't necessarily "show off his physique", sometimes they make it look like he had an enormous breakfast.
Exactly. Element of surprise.
Harping back to Connery and his Bond launch, the way the makers established a definitive, distinct, louche look has to be a screen master class in style and I don't buy that you can't replicate that with the right guidance.
Terence Young and Anthony Sinclair created a template that was based on an elegant, man about town who eschewed 'street fashion' in favour of a discreet classicism that wooed women and impressed men. It was strongly based on Fleming's original interpretation albeit, Ian himself gave few details in the books and described more of a 'look' for Bond as opposed to giving brand specifics.
That said, there was no question that Bond was a man who liked quality and the understated and whom had very specific likes and dislikes and Young put flesh on Fleming's bones.
It's also worthy of note that Young and Sinclair created this image in an era of extremely strong 'street fashion' and the modernist revolution. In fact, back then, the equivilant to putting Bond in a bum freezer, skin tight suit would have been to dress him in a collarless Beatle's outfit and a pair of Cuban heels.
They ignored 'street fashion' completely because they new that Bond would have to move with equal aplomb from the top board rooms of the world to the dangerous streets of the most exotic location. It's my hypothesis that nothing has changed in this regard particularly as eon have thankfully deemed to return to a more Flemingesque 007 with the Casino Royale reboot.
The challenge in styling Bond remains exactly the same and the Craig look has yet to master this.
Personally, I thing that the current team just don't get it and it's why Craig's Bond is becoming more and more a vehicle for product placement than a man of distinctive, individual style.
Ironically, the makers of 'Layer Cake' gave Craig the right look for that movie but there again, I think Mathew Vaughn understands these things.
As for those that suggest that those tight fitting, ugly suits make Danny look more dangerous and deadly perhaps their next recommendation could be tattoos or maybe 'Irma la not so douce' will rock up and suggest he sports lederhosen!
All very good points. I concur.
I'm with you, man. Hate it when I'm busting out of my mankini and people start having a pop. Life sucks unless I'm in the gym acting like a bell end.
Good points. I agree.
That is funny! :))
Anyway, Villiers makes a good point about the lack of consistency with Craig's styling. Certainly need to pick a style and stick with it... this is very close to SF so that's good. But contrasted to CR quite a bit, although I guess that was almost 10 years ago and trends change for everyone, Bond included.
Thanks to the welcome to the forum from several of you.
Off topic, but I can't believe next year will be the 10th Anniversary of Casino Royale!
I would never have pegged this thread to be one of the more controversial topics on the forum, but the back and forth, I think, is great for people like me who know very little about the topic but are interested in learning.
Back on topic, after watching the Mission Impossible Rogue Nation trailer ( which looks awesome I might add ) I think it's safe to say we've got a battle going on for Bond vs Ethan Hunt in terms of style. While different than Bonds looks, I do mostly like the looks Cruise is pulling off. For fans of a more relaxed suit, in some scenes it looks like his suits may be looser fitting than Craigs. It also may be the appearance created by someone shorter and broader, not sure yet. He's also casual more often then Bond. We'll have to see what Bond brings to the table for more casual wear. Good start with the teaser poster for sure.
Fleming also has Bond on mission in Ottawa in FYEO, and in Toronto battling Spectre agents in TSWLM, and looking very dapper, throughout, I'm sure.
Just like in real life, it's a good idea to make sure you're actually friends before using the British style put down humor between friends. And since this is a strictly text convo I'm typing this as genuine advice going forward without meaning to sound condescending ;)