The PTS of FYEO

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    pachazo wrote: »
    I've always enjoyed the PTS. Being trapped inside a remote control helicopter with your arch nemesis toying with you before he sends you to your death? Priceless. Was it the most fitting end for Blofeld? Probably not but it did help to provide me with some closure so I can live with it. I love the fact that it was Sir Rog who eliminated him!

    =D>
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Murdock wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce I agree with your theory quite a bit.

    I like to watch the "Blofeld trilogy" In the order of YOLT, DAF then OHMSS. I like to think that Henderson was just another doppelganger. (My own in mind explanation of why Charles Grey is both Henderson and "Blofeld.")

    How does your theory overcome the fact that Blofeld doesnt recognise Bond in OHMSS?
    By having them meet in YOLT and DAF it makes it even more improbable that he doesnt recognise Bond. You are going to have to go down the 'Bond has plastic surgery to confound his enemies' when they cast George to get round this elephant in the room it seems to me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I just watch them as stand-alones with the loosest of continuities.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce I agree with your theory quite a bit.

    I like to watch the "Blofeld trilogy" In the order of YOLT, DAF then OHMSS. I like to think that Henderson was just another doppelganger. (My own in mind explanation of why Charles Grey is both Henderson and "Blofeld.")

    How does your theory overcome the fact that Blofeld doesnt recognise Bond in OHMSS?
    By having them meet in YOLT and DAF it makes it even more improbable that he doesnt recognise Bond. You are going to have to go down the 'Bond has plastic surgery to confound his enemies' when they cast George to get round this elephant in the room it seems to me.

    For one, I don't see Donald Pleasence's Blofeld as the same as Telly's. Him and Grey's Blofeld are just more faces to throw Bond off. Since Telly's Blofeld was busy in Switzerland setting up his allergy clinic in Piz Gloria. I don't think he took the time look at Japanese news. One of his underlings might have informed him that Bond had been killed in Japan so he continued his work there.

    Granted this is my own personal way of tying all the pre Dalton Bond movies together. For me, the Series already rebooted itself when Dalton became Bond, then again once more when Craig was cast.

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    Murdock wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce I agree with your theory quite a bit.

    I like to watch the "Blofeld trilogy" In the order of YOLT, DAF then OHMSS. I like to think that Henderson was just another doppelganger. (My own in mind explanation of why Charles Grey is both Henderson and "Blofeld.")

    How does your theory overcome the fact that Blofeld doesnt recognise Bond in OHMSS?
    By having them meet in YOLT and DAF it makes it even more improbable that he doesnt recognise Bond. You are going to have to go down the 'Bond has plastic surgery to confound his enemies' when they cast George to get round this elephant in the room it seems to me.

    It is off topic, but here is my theory about why Blofeld and Bond do not recognize each other in OHMSS and it has roots in the novels:

    1)For Blofeld it is simple: plastic surgery.
    2)For Bond, he was disguised as a Japanese fisherman in YOLT and although he did not have makeup in YOLT when he met Blofeld, we can retcon that he did. In the novel YOLT, interestingly enough, Blofeld is not sure Bond is Bond, because of the Japanese disguise. Anyway, meeting him without a disguise in OHMSS (or rather with another disguise, however poor), he does not know for sure that this Hillary Bray or the man he met more than a year ago...

    For me, it is obvious that the movie OHMSS happens after YOLT, there is even flashbacks of it in the opening titles.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    For one, I don't see Donald Pleasence's Blofeld as the same as Telly's. Him and Grey's Blofeld are just more faces to throw Bond off.
    Interesting. I like that!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For one, I don't see Donald Pleasence's Blofeld as the same as Telly's. Him and Grey's Blofeld are just more faces to throw Bond off.
    Interesting. I like that!

    Besides, In 1969, it would take a whole lot of magic to completely erase that scar and grow a foot taller. :))
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Besides, In 1969, it would take a whole lot of magic to completely erase that scar and grow a foot taller. :))

    :))
  • EinoRistoSiniahoEinoRistoSiniaho Oulu, Finland
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    So the director told me in person, that the bald guy from the PTS is Blofeld indeed!

    That settles that. \m/
    And it also fits my preferred sequence of how to watch the films, meaning that YOLT is followed by DAF followed by OHMSS. I even have them in that order on my shelf.

    One of the best PTS's, naysayers be damned.
  • A very underrated Moore entry imo
  • BenjaminBenjamin usa
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    This movie is one of my favorites with Moore.
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    The problem with the PTS is that it's schizoid. After a great, sombre start--Bond visiting his wife's grave and then coming face-to-face with her killer--it falls apart into dumb camp. Tracy's murderer, after a sinister introduction, devolves into a buffoon and Bond jokes around him with inappropriate joviality, considering this is his wife's murderer. It's as if the first and second halves of the PTS were made by different creative teams. The PTS of FYEO shows how difficult it was for the series to return to earth after the silliness of MR. Keeping the tone consistent was a problem throughout this period.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 14,794
    Tracy's grave should have just blown up in his face. That's how the real Blofeld would have done it.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Revelator wrote: »
    The problem with the PTS is that it's schizoid. After a great, sombre start--Bond visiting his wife's grave and then coming face-to-face with her killer--it falls apart into dumb camp. Tracy's murderer, after a sinister introduction, devolves into a buffoon and Bond jokes around him with inappropriate joviality, considering this is his wife's murderer. It's as if the first and second halves of the PTS were made by different creative teams. The PTS of FYEO shows how difficult it was for the series to return to earth after the silliness of MR. Keeping the tone consistent was a problem throughout this period.

    I agree. They could have dispatched an unnamed Blofeld in a more serious manner in the style of FYEO.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    edited October 2021 Posts: 538
    I think it's fine if you don't take it too seriously.

    If FYEO were trying to be a great classic film or some bold form of artistic expression, this opening would be a big blemish for sure.

    I would be upset if this were the opening of Goldeneye or Casino Royale. But FYEO is a typical average spy film.

    Viewing it context of the time, EON didn't want to take the movies too seriously, so they felt like this scene would balance it out. Putting the gags in the opening and ending allowed the rest of the movie in the middle to be serious.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    Revelator wrote: »
    The problem with the PTS is that it's schizoid. After a great, sombre start--Bond visiting his wife's grave and then coming face-to-face with her killer--it falls apart into dumb camp.

    This is just one part of the overall trend of the Moore era.

    EON just wanted to make escapist films with entertaining moments. They didn't value character development. They wanted a bridge of individually entertaining moments rather than plot progression.

    They wanted to sell movies, but it never seemed like they wanted to make a classic, nor cared how well their movies stood up 50 years later.
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    It is one of the most fun PTS's imo. Almost a Top 5.
    M16_Cart wrote: »
    This is just one part of the overall trend of the Moore era.

    EON just wanted to make escapist films with entertaining moments. They didn't value character development. They wanted a bridge of individually entertaining moments rather than plot progression.
    Personally, I'd like to see a return to that (with silliness tuned down, though). Well, plot progression is a good thing, but I like the Moore era plots a lot more than those of other eras.
    Benjamin wrote: »
    This movie is one of my favorites with Moore.
    Same here, it's my favourite one. And a Top 3 in the franchise.
  • I think Moore should have screamed "Die Blofeld* Die" just before tilting the helicopter and sending him falling down the chimney..
    *although due to certain reasons they may not have been able to use the name Blofeld..
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    I think it's fine if you don't take it too seriously.

    If FYEO were trying to be a great classic film or some bold form of artistic expression, this opening would be a big blemish for sure.

    I would be upset if this were the opening of Goldeneye or Casino Royale. But FYEO is a typical average spy film.

    Viewing it context of the time, EON didn't want to take the movies too seriously, so they felt like this scene would balance it out. Putting the gags in the opening and ending allowed the rest of the movie in the middle to be serious.

    Yes indeed. And bear in mind at the point you're watching this the last thing you've seen is Bond shagging a lady in a space shuttle: this opening is silly but less silly than that - you're being eased gently into the more down-to-earth story of the main body of FYEO.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I think Moore should have screamed "Die Blofeld* Die" just before tilting the helicopter and sending him falling down the chimney..
    *although due to certain reasons they may not have been able to use the name Blofeld..

    How about "Die, uncredited villain, die!"
  • Posts: 14,761
    I think Moore should have screamed "Die Blofeld* Die" just before tilting the helicopter and sending him falling down the chimney..
    *although due to certain reasons they may not have been able to use the name Blofeld..

    "Die, you, die!"
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Or maybe even, "Welcome to Hell"?
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    I think Moore should have screamed "Die Blofeld* Die" just before tilting the helicopter and sending him falling down the chimney...
    Nice idea.
    Or maybe 'Die, unspeakable one, die'
  • I think something even as simple as the following would have improved FYEO's PTS dramatically: "Hope that neck brace of yours is up to snuff because I'm about to send you on a one-way journey at breakneck speed to the bottom of Smokestack City. Ticket nonrefundable. Carry-on baggage only."
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
    edited October 2021 Posts: 538
    I think Moore should have screamed "Die Blofeld* Die"


    That would've sounded really forced. And out-of-character for Moore.

    Also, that line comes off as cartoonish. If realism were a goal, maybe a more somber and grounded line would've been better.
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    I think something even as simple as the following would have improved FYEO's PTS dramatically: "Hope that neck brace of yours is up to snuff because I'm about to send you on a one-way journey at breakneck speed to the bottom of Smokestack City. Ticket nonrefundable. Carry-on baggage only."

    Yes, haha. You should write the dialogues for Bond 26!
  • marc wrote: »
    I think something even as simple as the following would have improved FYEO's PTS dramatically: "Hope that neck brace of yours is up to snuff because I'm about to send you on a one-way journey at breakneck speed to the bottom of Smokestack City. Ticket nonrefundable. Carry-on baggage only."

    Yes, haha. You should write the dialogues for Bond 26!

    Why thank you, but in P&W I trust. ;)
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,576
    Nah, I don't think they're some kind of heroes. 🙂
  • Posts: 54
    Always loved the FYEO PTS. Great photography, energetic pacing, cool stuntwork, and somehow creates a really fun tone despite opening on a contemplative note at Tracy’s grave.

    Really though, what ties it all together for me is Conti’s music and how it all flows (even if the music vanishes for a little while there).

    From gunbarrel to PTS to title song, the music really helps FYEO kick off nicely.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited October 2022 Posts: 3,373
    I have a theory regarding For Your Eyes Only PTS:

    The Tracy gravestone there wasn't real, it just serves as a meeting point for Bond and the MI6 (Universal Exports) Helicopter.

    Bond just lay some flowers there for it not to be obvious that it's just a set up by the MI6 to pick up Bond (and the other MI6 agents) for a mission.

    I've observed this many times that there some places that's disguised as an ordinary place when it's really an MI6 Safehouse (think of the Queen Elizabeth Wreck in TMWTGG, The Monastery in MR), so the graveyard wasn't a real graveyard at all, but a disguise for a meeting point by MI6.

    I've watched the film again, and when Bond arrived at the graveyard, the Priest easily come to him to inform him about the helicopter that's going to pick him up, we could also safely assume that the Priest wasn't Priest at all but one of the MI6 staffs disguised as a Priest.

    Also how Tracy would be buried in England, if she's killed in Portugal?

    That gravestone wasn't real, but just a prop, Bond lays flowers there because for it not to obvious, he's just acting as he's visiting a real grave.

    In my theory, the original gravestone of Tracy is either buried in Portugal, or in Corsica (to whom by Draco's wishes would be buried there in her hometown), not in England.

    Of course, when it comes to burying his daughter, Draco wouldn't allowed Tracy to be buried in England (especially as there's a possibility that he's blaming Bond for the death of his daughter, so why he would allow Tracy to be buried in the country of the man whom he believed was responsible for her death?)

    That Graveyard wasn't a graveyard at all, but a pick up point of the MI6 agents.

    Those other graves there also belongs to other MI6 agents, and Tracy is one of them for Bond.

    Just my theory....

    What do you guys think of my theory?
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