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  • edited February 2019 Posts: 1,661
    Forget who is the next James Bond... who is gonna be the next Batman? Ben Affleck's caped crusading days have ended:
    After years of rumors, Ben Affleck is officially out as The Batman in the DC Extended Universe. Affleck gave the role of the Caped Crusader a fighting chance, portraying him in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad and Justice League, before deciding that the cape and cowl were not right for him.

    https://movieweb.com/the-batman-actors-replace-ben-affleck/

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm unhappy with the way things have gone. We are about to lose a really impressive Batman. Why? Because critics and audiences failed to see BvS and JL for the good, operatic non-Marvel films they really are. It's TLD and LTK all over again. One day people will regret this and remember the coulda/shoulda days of Batfleck.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm unhappy with the way things have gone. We are about to lose a really impressive Batman. Why? Because critics and audiences failed to see BvS and JL for the good, operatic non-Marvel films they really are. It's TLD and LTK all over again. One day people will regret this and remember the coulda/shoulda days of Batfleck.

    I'd agree with you on BvS, but JL was a shitshow and they ruined Affleck's characterisation of the character because they didn't have the creative mettle to see it through.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 1,661
    I suppose it makes sense (ish) to recast the role if Warner/DC are going to start with a clean slate. I assume the next Batman film won't have any ties with BvS and Justice League? I dunno, how about a much younger Batman actor, early 20s. Give the franchise a radical overhaul. Perhaps have Bruce Wayne's parents alive for much of the film.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I always felt it was a mistake to insert Batman into the 'universe'. While it may work in the comics, it's far more difficult to do on film. He lives in the shadows and is a dark character. His presence doesn't lend itself readily, nor is it conducive, to the shared universe idea with all the 'superpower' characters.

    Having said that, I personally wasn't impressed with Affleck's interpretation, and am somewhat happy he is gone. He certainly looked the part, but I didn't feel the inner darkness and turmoil that I felt with Keaton or Bale, which I think is essential for a good Batman interpretation.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm unhappy with the way things have gone. We are about to lose a really impressive Batman. Why? Because critics and audiences failed to see BvS and JL for the good, operatic non-Marvel films they really are. It's TLD and LTK all over again. One day people will regret this and remember the coulda/shoulda days of Batfleck.

    I'd agree with you on BvS, but JL was a shitshow and they ruined Affleck's characterisation of the character because they didn't have the creative mettle to see it through.

    I agree with both of you. Batfleck was the best thing they had, and they ruined it. And this coming from a guy who doesn't appreciate superhero flicks. But, Batman is Batman. And although I don't like Affleck, I did enjoy his take on the character.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 6,844
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm unhappy with the way things have gone. We are about to lose a really impressive Batman. Why? Because critics and audiences failed to see BvS and JL for the good, operatic non-Marvel films they really are. It's TLD and LTK all over again. One day people will regret this and remember the coulda/shoulda days of Batfleck.

    I'm afraid Justice League really was pretty terrible—there's no salvaging that one—but BvS is in serious need of a reappraisal.

    Affleck was a quality Batman, at least in BvS. Would have been nice to see him in his own film. I just hope whoever inherits the cowl next is more Affleck than Kilmer.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,869
    Affleck hasn't left the franchise, they're just going for a younger Batman for his solo-film. So there's still a chance Affleck will return. My choice would be someone who was rumoured a while back, Jack O' Connell.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm unhappy with the way things have gone. We are about to lose a really impressive Batman. Why? Because critics and audiences failed to see BvS and JL for the good, operatic non-Marvel films they really are. It's TLD and LTK all over again. One day people will regret this and remember the coulda/shoulda days of Batfleck.

    Irrespective of what one thinks about the Marvel films, BvS and JL were absolute trash movies. Audiences and critics alike acknowledged this easily because of how apparent it was in just how awful those films were and I'll add that no revisionist appraisal is going to change that.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Affleck hasn't left the franchise, they're just going for a younger Batman for his solo-film. So there's still a chance Affleck will return. My choice would be someone who was rumoured a while back, Jack O' Connell.

    Better suited for Man-Bat.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm unhappy with the way things have gone. We are about to lose a really impressive Batman. Why? Because critics and audiences failed to see BvS and JL for the good, operatic non-Marvel films they really are. It's TLD and LTK all over again. One day people will regret this and remember the coulda/shoulda days of Batfleck.

    Irrespective of what one thinks about the Marvel films, BvS and JL were absolute trash movies. Audiences and critics alike acknowledged this easily because of how apparent it was in just how awful those films were and I'll add that no revisionist appraisal is going to change that.

    That's not really true in the case of BvS. For every person who hates it, there's someone out there who loves it. Now, I'm not one of them (I'm quite indifferent to it) but audiences and critics certainly weren't alike in their response to it.

    Also, it's not possible to say that a reappraisal wouldn't change it as that reappraisal hasn't happened yet. Many, many films were panned on release only to have the views on them soften over time. There were already a number essays about "things we didn't quite get" in BvS even in the twelve months afterwards, especially once the three hour cut came out.

    JL, though, is a failure no matter what way you cut it. It should be studied as an example of how not to let a studio handle your film, along with SS.

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    bondjames wrote: »
    I always felt it was a mistake to insert Batman into the 'universe'. While it may work in the comics, it's far more difficult to do on film.

    It worked beautifully in the Justice League animated series, but of course the folks behind that show were far more talented than the people who made the film.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Relevator, the people making the film, the actual "filmmakers", are not untalented. Geoff Johns, for example, has written tons of titles for DC. He was instrumental in the "Infinite Crisis" storyline, among many others. His vision on the DCEU is still clear and, in the eyes of this comic book fan, very interesting.

    It is studio interference, more than anything else, that squeezed a lot of juice out of JL. It was the same interference from the studios that left Ayer throwing his arms in the air when trying to do an edgy SS.
  • Posts: 2,899
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @Relevator, the people making the film, the actual "filmmakers", are not untalented. Geoff Johns, for example, has written tons of titles for DC...It is studio interference, more than anything else, that squeezed a lot of juice out of JL. It was the same interference from the studios that left Ayer throwing his arms in the air when trying to do an edgy SS.

    I didn't say they were untalented, just that they weren't as talented as the folks making the cartoons. Geoff Johns is very prolific, but he didn't write or direct the Justice League film, and he was just one of a clown-car full of producers. As for Zach Synder, I thought the DCEU was screwed the minute he was hired, and I have yet to revise that opinion. Studio interference could certainly be a factor, but then I wonder why Marvel's films seem to have escaped or overcome that problem.
  • Posts: 9,793
    Current rumors is Robert Patterson is the next Batman dear god I hope this isn’t true other wise can dc just sell Batman to marvel
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Current rumors is Robert Patterson is the next Batman dear god I hope this isn’t true other wise can dc just sell Batman to marvel

    Robert Pattinson is not a bad actor though--he gave a superb performance in Good Time, playing a sleazy New York drug dealer. But he's a bit too young-looking to play Batman.
    Nevertheless, had the internet been around in 1989 it would have exploded in rage when Michael Keaton was chosen, so we shouldn't necessarily reject unconventional casting. Plus Batman is sort of a vampiric character...
  • Revelator wrote: »
    Plus Batman is sort of a vampiric character...

    Yes, but he doesn’t glitter (unless Schumacher’s at the helm).
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    Yes, but he doesn’t glitter (unless Schumacher’s at the helm).

    Maybe Joel could return as the costume designer for the new film. I feel the recent Batman films have been short on nipples and codpieces.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Revelator wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Current rumors is Robert Patterson is the next Batman dear god I hope this isn’t true other wise can dc just sell Batman to marvel

    Robert Pattinson is not a bad actor though--he gave a superb performance in Good Time, playing a sleazy New York drug dealer. But he's a bit too young-looking to play Batman.
    Nevertheless, had the internet been around in 1989 it would have exploded in rage when Michael Keaton was chosen, so we shouldn't necessarily reject unconventional casting. Plus Batman is sort of a vampiric character...

    Remember they're casting a young Ben Affleck, so Pattinson is possible.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,402
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Current rumors is Robert Patterson is the next Batman dear god I hope this isn’t true other wise can dc just sell Batman to marvel

    Robert Pattinson is not a bad actor though--he gave a superb performance in Good Time, playing a sleazy New York drug dealer. But he's a bit too young-looking to play Batman.
    Nevertheless, had the internet been around in 1989 it would have exploded in rage when Michael Keaton was chosen, so we shouldn't necessarily reject unconventional casting. Plus Batman is sort of a vampiric character...

    Remember they're casting a young Ben Affleck, so Pattinson is possible.

    Wow.

    Not a name I’d have considered, but now you mention it. I think I need this to happen. Robert Pattinson is a terrific actor. I think there are a few reactionary types who will be put their nose up to him due to Twilight – but he was fantastic in Good Time. I love that film.

    However….has this been confirmed as taking place inside the DCEU? We know that they are after a younger Bruce Wayne. But I was under the impression that Matt Reeves’ film would standalone. Doesn’t that mean a contemporary story with a young Batman?

    Personally, I’d much rather see a period 80’s/90’s set film - sounds cooler. Is this confirmed?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Current rumors is Robert Patterson is the next Batman dear god I hope this isn’t true other wise can dc just sell Batman to marvel

    Robert Pattinson is not a bad actor though--he gave a superb performance in Good Time, playing a sleazy New York drug dealer. But he's a bit too young-looking to play Batman.
    Nevertheless, had the internet been around in 1989 it would have exploded in rage when Michael Keaton was chosen, so we shouldn't necessarily reject unconventional casting. Plus Batman is sort of a vampiric character...

    Remember they're casting a young Ben Affleck, so Pattinson is possible.

    Wow.

    Not a name I’d have considered, but now you mention it. I think I need this to happen. Robert Pattinson is a terrific actor. I think there are a few reactionary types who will be put their nose up to him due to Twilight – but he was fantastic in Good Time. I love that film.

    However….has this been confirmed as taking place inside the DCEU? We know that they are after a younger Bruce Wayne. But I was under the impression that Matt Reeves’ film would standalone. Doesn’t that mean a contemporary story with a young Batman?

    Personally, I’d much rather see a period 80’s/90’s set film - sounds cooler. Is this confirmed?

    Nothing's confirmed, but it seems like the most logical step. If I was the producers for Warner Bros, I would still wanna keep Affleck in house just in case it doesn't work out and if does work out, they have two Batmans and can explore many different areas of his character.

    It also makes sense, because it also solves some of the issues regarding Joaquin Phoenix's Joker. It's already been mentioned that the Joker film will star a young Bruce Wayne, so it seems will be seeing Bruce Wayne across the decades.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://movieweb.com/the-batman-villains-riddler/

    I support this. Maybe Ben Whislaw could play him.
  • Posts: 9,793
    Instead of interesting unused villains Mad Hatter Ventriliquist Man Bat etc we get Penguin and the riddler

    I miss Affleck already
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Instead of interesting unused villains Mad Hatter Ventriliquist Man Bat etc we get Penguin and the riddler

    I miss Affleck already

    There maybe more villains then these two. Fingers crossed!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-80th-anniversary-plans-unveiled-1192498

    DC comics' plans for Batman over the year. Keep your eyes open!
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    Fiennes or Dalton would be a dream come true
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Neal Adams has desrcibed Batman as someone with a taller Bruce Lee body, a Sherlock Holmes intellect and the punch of Sean Connery. And with the face of a young Ted Danson.

    And incidentally Batman did meet Sherlock Holmes at one point.
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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I have always liked the way Ra's refers to Batman as 'Detective'
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 9,793
    https://batman-news.com/2019/03/28/batman-hush-voice-cast/

    Not the voice cast I would of wanted (This should of been Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamil’s final performance along with most of the animated series cast)


    But still excited to get this
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