No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Trying to get straight all the Shatterhand/YOLT rumours, here are my toughts (sorry if I posted this before)...

    1 - Shatterhand has been rumoured since the 1990s and you can see the title rumoured in many Bond forums back in the 2000s and early 2010s.

    2 - We know OHMSS ends with Tracy dying and YOLT deals with Bond's revenge, many people think this is what we'll have in Bond 25.

    3 - Many of us, judging by the way SPECTRE ended, assume that Bond 25 will start with Madeleine dying and will deal with Bond going after Blofeld, now masquerading as one Dr. Shatterhand, hence the reason for the title.

    I think... it's not commercial or teasing to deliver something we all know exactly how it's going to be, be it Shatterhand as the title, Madeleine dying and Bond going after Blofeld YOLT style. If they are wise, they'll have to change at least the 80% of that if they were really going that way. Many great things from SPECTRE were scrapped out or altered just because of the leaks (remember that 007.com disclaimer of "the leaked script is a very old draft"? That actually meant "now we're going to change this"). So... if EON knows what we are expecting, they are going to give us something else we are expecting.

    Also, one draft of SPECTRE (filed one week before the start of filming) ended with Bond saying, "We have all the time in the world." That didn't make the final film but indicates what the filmmakers had on their mind.

    https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2018/08/27/spectres-script-sibling-sort-of-rivalry/
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Remember this time last week when we all panicked look at what a weeks difference makes lol
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    @AlexanderWaverly it was filmed but ended up cut out of the film I believe
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 1,661
    We have working titles as official news?

    Heart radio in London stated it was the title, they didn't mention 'working title'. LBC radio mentioned it was the working title, so too the Guardian website.

    I was getting moderately excited by the news that Bond 25 is Shatterhand but no mention of it on the MI6 news page so I guess it's not official. I do like Shatterhand - it's very Bond title in tone (even if you're not aware of its origin in YOLT novel) but

    2012 - Skyfall

    2015 - SPECTRE

    2020 - Shatterhand

    Perhaps that's too many recent titles with S! Time for something different. I wouldn't mind

    SHAKEN NOT STIRRED

    as the title. :) Which is another S title. Whoops.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Shatterhand has been rumored since August 2018. I question why it is in "orange" on page 1. Production Weekly is a legitimate industry source (i.e. someone from the production had to have submitted it).
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,400
    Denbigh wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    It looks very similar to the SP set.
    Worryingly so :(

    Come on, guys.
    You're right @RC7, anyway, I'm super excited for this film. I think Fukunaga's gonna seriously deliver, and with Lupita as a possible Bond-girl, I'm even more excited.

    Amen to that.

    I need a Cary Fukunaga-directed/Linus Sandgren-shot Bond film asap. This is the best team since the Mendes/Deakins collaboration. The hype is real.

    Also, in respect to the Lupita news. It seems as though her and CJF are friends

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    This is looking like an inevitability. If bond 25 can score Lupita and Rami Malek, it's on it's way towards the greatest cast in a Bond film.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 1,661
    Shatterhand would mean Blofeld is back and there's no official word that Waltz is returning.
    When asked by The Inquirer about staying away from previous Bond villain Ernst Stavro Blofeld (Oscar-winner Christoph Waltz) and Bond gadget man Q (Ben Whishaw), Fukunaga seemed to challenge that mindset.

    "Who is saying those rumors? "We haven’t finished the screenplay, so there is no way that anyone could know that.

    "Those are two extraordinary actors, so if there is space for them in the story, I would absolutely want them there. But I don’t know yet what it’s going to be."

    I suppose he could make a surprise return or Eon could recast the part. Blofeld kept changing actors back in the 60s Bond films so that tradition can carry on in the 2010s.

    Shatterhand does feel right for a Bond title but another short title starting with S? Seems unlikely.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    See this is what bothers me about modern Bond casting. They’re going after Lupita Nyong’o and Rami Malek because Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody are doing well at the awards. They’re chasing after the flavor of the month rather than showcasing lesser known actors and actresses like they used to. Also you can count me in the camp that doesn’t find Luptia attractive.

    These Norway rumors on the other hand, very exciting!
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    If they're looking for a young black actress, I personally think Letitia Wright would be a more exciting choice. She's got a real screen presence.

    She was essentially the Q character in Black Panther.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 1,661
    See this is what bothers me about modern Bond casting. They’re going after Lupita Nyong’o and Rami Malek because Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody are doing well at the awards. They’re chasing after the flavor of the month rather than showcasing lesser known actors and actresses like they used to. Also you can count me in the camp that doesn’t find Luptia attractive.

    These Norway rumors on the other hand, very exciting!

    The Bond producers always picked popular singers/groups to do the next Bond theme tune so it's not that different to picking popular actors, I guess. Unknown singer does Bond theme - nah, never gonna happen!



  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Getafix wrote: »
    If they're looking for a young black actress, I personally think Letitia Wright would be a more exciting choice. She's got a real screen presence.

    She was essentially the Q character in Black Panther.
    She's only 25. N'yongo is 35, so is actually older than Seydoux.
  • Eon (accidentally) put together a good creative team for once.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    See this is what bothers me about modern Bond casting. They’re going after Lupita Nyong’o and Rami Malek because Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody are doing well at the awards. They’re chasing after the flavor of the month rather than showcasing lesser known actors and actresses like they used to. Also you can count me in the camp that doesn’t find Luptia attractive.

    These Norway rumors on the other hand, very exciting!

    The Bond producers always picked popular singers/groups to do the next Bond theme tune so it's not that different to picking popular actors, I guess. Unknown singer does Bond theme - nah, never gonna happen!



    Yeah that makes sense for the singer of the main theme, but bringing unknown actors to the public stage was something special about Bond. Eva Green wasn’t exactly a household name and I’d argue that her casting was one of the best decisions in the series.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    See this is what bothers me about modern Bond casting. They’re going after Lupita Nyong’o and Rami Malek because Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody are doing well at the awards. They’re chasing after the flavor of the month rather than showcasing lesser known actors and actresses like they used to. Also you can count me in the camp that doesn’t find Luptia attractive.

    These Norway rumors on the other hand, very exciting!

    I agree 100% with all of you points.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    See this is what bothers me about modern Bond casting. They’re going after Lupita Nyong’o and Rami Malek because Black Panther and Bohemian Rhapsody are doing well at the awards. They’re chasing after the flavor of the month rather than showcasing lesser known actors and actresses like they used to. Also you can count me in the camp that doesn’t find Luptia attractive.

    These Norway rumors on the other hand, very exciting!

    The Bond producers always picked popular singers/groups to do the next Bond theme tune so it's not that different to picking popular actors, I guess. Unknown singer does Bond theme - nah, never gonna happen!



    Yeah that makes sense for the singer of the main theme, but bringing unknown actors to the public stage was something special about Bond. Eva Green wasn’t exactly a household name and I’d argue that her casting was one of the best decisions in the series.

    This as well...
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I personally couldn't care less how big of a star they are. If they're a good enough actor and can perform the part well then go ahead and cast them. A person's star power is just a bonus when it comes to casting in my opinion. I'll save my judgements of Nyong'o and Malek when I actually get to see their performances. That's of course if they're actually cast. Both actors have quite a busy schedule ahead of them so who knows.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    @Denbigh the best bond characters have been played beautifully by nobodys. Who was Eva green- who was Mads Mikkelsen- who was Jeffrey Wright- who was Jesper Christiansen. And they are all fantastic. And then we have Christoph Waltz, a famous actor, and he sucks
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    This is looking like an inevitability. If bond 25 can score Lupita and Rami Malek, it's on it's way towards the greatest cast in a Bond film.

    the cast to Die Another Day was impressive too... the movie still sucked lol... but i do agree that on paper - on names alone, if they land those two, it will be an impressive cast ESPECIALLY if Waltz not coming back as Blofeld turns out to be a red herring
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    I'll have a lot more confidence in CF (and his real interest level in Bond) if it's a CR like cast. And I don't want an ensemble or team effort at all in the story. Stay on Bond. I'm hoping someone, CF, anyone, gets that...
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    @Denbigh the best bond characters have been played beautifully by nobodys. Who was Eva green- who was Mads Mikkelsen- who was Jeffrey Wright- who was Jesper Christiansen. And they are all fantastic. And then we have Christoph Waltz, a famous actor, and he sucks
    Yes, I agree, but that proves nothing. Ralph Fiennes is a very well-known actor, and he pulls off the role of Gareth Mallory, and eventually M. Do you think of him any less of an actor because of his stardom? No. Javier Bardem is a very well-known actor, and he pulled off the role of Raoul Silva with great success. Do you think of him any less of an actor because of his stardom? No.

    Casino Royale is the best example of casting unknowns you could use, but there are many other examples of casting in other James Bond films, where using well-known actors has worked. If you wanna go way back, Lotte Lenya had won a Tony award before she appeared in From Russia with Love, and it didn't stop her from giving a brilliant performance.

    Let me ask you this, if it wasn't Casino Royale that made Eva Green famous and they ended up making the film after she had done all the films she has done, do you think she would have done a worse job with the role of Vesper Lynd?
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
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    @Denbigh the best bond characters have been played beautifully by nobodys. Who was Eva green- who was Mads Mikkelsen- who was Jeffrey Wright- who was Jesper Christiansen. And they are all fantastic. And then we have Christoph Waltz, a famous actor, and he sucks

    Even tough I'm in the minority who kinda liked Waltz's Blofeld (the evil touch was sadly missing from the script to screen transition), I do agree with you. Not a fan of going after Oscar winner or nominees. Both Casino Royale and GoldenEye had a great cast and they were unknown. And to be honest I feel that people like Joe Don Baker, Robbie Coltrane, Gottfried John, Simon Abkarian, Mads Mikkelsen, Eva Green or Famke Janssen did a much better job than most of the cast of QOS, Skyfall and SPECTRE.
  • NS_writingsNS_writings Buenos Aires
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    DoctorNo wrote: »
    I'll have a lot more confidence in CF (and his real interest level in Bond) if it's a CR like cast. And I don't want an ensemble or team effort at all in the story. Stay on Bond. I'm hoping someone, CF, anyone, gets that...

    This post also made me think: they have gone the right way with Fukunaga. After Oscarized people like Forster, Mendes and Boyle, EON went for a little known director who is rather dynamic and talented to tell stories. I daresay there's something of CJF that reminds me to Campbell (altough the second one is much more an "action man" type of director): both men are known for their work on TV (Edge of Darkness / True Detective) and with a low profile, yet incredibly talent. I mean, none of them are "names" as Forster, Mendes and Boyle. And I think that may turn well.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Yes, I agree, but that proves nothing. Ralph Fiennes is a very well-known actor, and he pulls off the role of Gareth Mallory, and eventually M. Do you think of him any less of an actor because of his stardom? No. Javier Bardem is a very well-known actor, and he pulled off the role of Raoul Silva with great success. Do you think of him any less of an actor because of his stardom? No.

    Casino Royale is the best example of casting unknowns you could use, but there are many other examples of casting in other James Bond films, where using well-known actors has worked. If you wanna go way back, Lotte Lenya had won a Tony award before she appeared in From Russia with Love, and it didn't stop her from giving a brilliant performance.

    Let me ask you this, if it wasn't Casino Royale that made Eva Green famous and they ended up making the film after she had done all the films she has done, do you think she would have done a worse job with the role of Vesper Lynd?

    It has nothing to do with thinking less of them, it's just distracting and lazy. Bernard Lee was better as M, as would many character actors, and they wouldn't be getting their own story lines detracting from Bond like Fiennes requires.

    I wouldn't replace Gert Frobe with Henry Fonda no matter how great an "acting" job he did. It's not only distracting, but it's less distinctive. Gert Frobe is Goldfinger to most of the world.

    Lotte Lenya was not a star, come on.

    Sticking Emma Stone in CR as Vesper would have sucked, that's the point.
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    Lotte Lenya was great casting. I think she was fairly famous in Germany but true less so elsewhere.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    @Denbigh the best bond characters have been played beautifully by nobodys. Who was Eva green- who was Mads Mikkelsen- who was Jeffrey Wright- who was Jesper Christiansen. And they are all fantastic. And then we have Christoph Waltz, a famous actor, and he sucks

    I wouldn't say these were nobodys. But I do think there is a certain alchemy to casting...these actors worked well together.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 11,425
    They were good character actors not well known outside their own home countries.

    This is a model Bond should always follow IMO.

    Mikkelson is excellent as Le Chiffre. A good unshowy villain.

    I personally didn't mind Amelrics turn in QOS although I understand why people are underwhelmed.

    David Harbour was a great bit of casting in QOS as well - look whats happened to his career.

    I struggle to think of any equally satisfying casting in SF and SP. Some good actors were cast in barely speaking roles which seems a real waste.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I actually wrote a whole long paragraph in response but I kinda can't be bothered. It's all subjective at the end of the day. I am personally not distracted by the level of fame of an actor. As long as they do a good job with the role, I don't care. So, I'm applying this to Nyong'o and Malek. They're both great actors, who I believe could really disappear into their roles if written right.

    If you feel distracted by certain casting choices then that's a real shame because the performances across the board in Skyfall were perfect in my eyes, Oscar winner or not. I didn't see Javier Bardem, I saw Raoul Silva.
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    Less well known actors tend to work better in Bond IMO.

    Problem is SF was so huge they feel they need to match it's all star cast.

    Fiennes might have been okay but the way his parts been written so far is annoying. Also as has been said many times, because he's such a big star in his own right, EON have to give him extra screen time. Very annoying.

    He's just a bit distracting and perhaps too close to Craig in age. They look like contemporaries.
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    It looks like they want to roll the red carpet out and get the flavor of the month stars in the film.

    Malek would probably be alright but not interest in lupita. I may vomit if her and Craig have to share a love scene. Id rather see Bond kill her.
  • edited February 2019 Posts: 677
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Let me ask you this, if it wasn't Casino Royale that made Eva Green famous and they ended up making the film after she had done all the films she has done, do you think she would have done a worse job with the role of Vesper Lynd?
    Perfectly put, Denbigh.

    I agree that there is an appeal of seeing unknown foreign actors in Bond movies that blend in with the film. But people are letting a couple of bad apples (Berry, Waltz) inform their judgement of any famous actor coming into a Bond film, ignoring cases like Bardem, for example. Judi Dench won an Oscar in 1999, so I guess that makes her retroactively distracting in GE, TND, and then in TWINE, DAD, CR, QOS and SF. Sophie Marceau was in a Best Picture winner before TWINE, so I guess she was inferior because of that. Benicio del Toro won an Oscar in 2001, so I guess that makes him retroactively distracting in LTK, too. Famke Janssen was in X-Men, so I guess she's retroactively distracting in GE. Let's also pretend Daniel Craig wasn't in Tomb Raider with Angelina Jolie, no he was a total unknown and we hadn't seen him before.

    Ultimately it is subjective, of course, but their performances good or bad in the film won't be dictated by Oscars, exposure or lack thereof.



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