Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    If there's a market for a non-Caucasian superspy, and I'm sure there is, then create an original character; there's no need to appropriate an established , cultural icon, Bond.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    @Pierce2Daniel why do you say that Elba is a certain $1Billion gross? His last two films tanked so where was this desperate audience when he needed them most?

    Elba needs to appeal to alot more people than a few thousand slavering women.

    Idris Elba's age is a hindrance anyway. Bond 26 to be released 2022/2023? Elba will be 50/51. Seems a bit old to start playing the role. Not impossible, I guess, but unlikely. It's fair to say Elba hasn't had a moderate-to-big Hollywood hit with him the leading actor (The Dark Tower did really badly and that was a major role) but Craig wasn't a big film star prior to Casino Royale. I don't think the next Bond actor has to be a big film star with many hits films. They have to have that magic ingredient to impress Barbara Broccoli. Who knows what that is!

    Some new names should pop up before 2021 which could be the year Bond 26 goes into production. Madden should look a bit more mature by 2021 so could have a chance. On the other hand 2021 is three years away and people may forget Madden. His career may not keep him in the public eye. One day you're famous, the next you're not! I remember Julian McMahon as one of the names up for Bond back in 2004/2005. He was the star of tv's Nip/Tuck and he played Doctor Doom in Fantastic Four. I doubt most people remember him now. Impossible to predict who will be a 'hot name' around the time of Bond 26.

    I understand what you are saying about Craig, but in 2005 no one was screaming for him to be Bond. Everyone is doing so for Elba, to the point that its almost a kind of inverted racism. It sometimes feels like people are pushing Elba to prove they aren't racist, and this would be the perfect role to prove the point.

    No one wants to actually see Elba on the big screen, but boy do they want him as Bond. ??

    In truth a charismatic actor like Elba should have his own franchise. Where are the ideas being developed for black actors? Black Panther has proved that a black actor can take on a new franchise. They don't want or need white character cast offs. Hollywood is letting black actors down. It isn't Eon's responsibility to change Fleming's character so dramatically.

    But, if Elba were to get the role he will need elocution lessons. Or develop a script that doesn't require Bond to say things like 'firty free fousand'.
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    It's not going to happen re Idris Elba,peeps.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Madden over Elba for sure. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.
    I find him very vanilla but can appreciate and understand why he is a sort of flavour of the month, given the splash he made as Budd. I hope he is forgotten soon enough.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.

    For those who have seen The Bodyguard, is his (lack of) height noticeable? .
    They do a great job disguising Cruise’s height, unless they want to use it for effect.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.
    I find him very vanilla

    One thing Elba isn t.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.

    For those who have seen The Bodyguard, is his (lack of) height noticeable? .
    I certainly noticed it. It wasn't a big deal for me in Bodyguard because he was not playing Bond . I believe a Bond actor must at least clear six feet though.
    talos7 wrote: »
    They do a great job disguising Cruise’s height, unless they want to use it for effect.
    I'm not sure if they even bother to do this anymore. I think everyone knows Cruise is vertically challenged, but he is one of the greats and overcomes it with his megawatt star power. The only time I've seen it be an issue is for his portrayal of Jack Reacher, and in that instance perhaps rightly so given how the character was written. Since I've never read any of the novels it didn't bother me, but I can understand how it could for others.
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.
    I find him very vanilla

    One thing Elba isn t.
    Haha.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.

    For those who have seen The Bodyguard, is his (lack of) height noticeable? .
    They do a great job disguising Cruise’s height, unless they want to use it for effect.

    I'd say we don't notice it because although not tall Madden is not short. For Bond it would be different.

    @bondjames I actually hope he stays on the radar, if only to make The Bodyguard popular. I quite like the series.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @bondjames I actually hope he stays on the radar, if only to make The Bodyguard popular. I quite like the series.
    @Ludovico I recently read somewhere that they are already in discussions for Season 2. I believe Madden confirmed it himself.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    @bondjames I actually hope he stays on the radar, if only to make The Bodyguard popular. I quite like the series.
    @Ludovico I recently read somewhere that they are already in discussions for Season 2. I believe Madden confirmed it himself.

    Yes that's what I've read. And it has been a great success with international echoes. I think it can become a genuine cult series. It has its flaws (it often gets far fetched and they have a tendency to favour big plot twists over character development), but it's part of the charm and not too shocking.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm currently watching Bodyguard. I'm afraid I don't see any Bond in Richard Madden. This is irrespective of his height. There's nothing special about the guy.

    The role is not really Bondian, but Madden at least shows that he can handle himself in an action thriller, in a similar setting to a Bond movie. And he now as a fanbase. Yes David Budd is not James Bond, but neither is Remington Steele.
    I understand what you're saying about the role not being Bond, but I just don't see any Bond in him. There are many actors who can handle themselves in an action thriller, but Bond should be far more imho, and at the very least distinctive. Madden is quite ordinary in my view.

    Maybe he is a bit ordinary, but no more no less imo than many names brought up here. I do think his eight is a problem, and that he's very much the flavor of the month. Be that as it may, I'd take him over many other flavours of the month mentioned here.
    I find him very vanilla

    One thing Elba isn t.

    You just couldn't resist Haha!
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Elba will never be Bond. Moving on.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Paul Higgins, anyone? :))
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    Elba will never be Bond. Moving on.

    Yep,agree 100%.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    . I think everyone knows Cruise is vertically challenged, but he is one of the greats and overcomes it with his megawatt star power. .
    Haha, love that term :-))!

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Vertical Limit... I think is the term? :D
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    The only reason 46-year-old Elba's name keeps cropping up is because 46-year-old Elba is very astute at keeping his name still attached to the role. He was well aware that by posting a Bond reference on Instagram (or whatever) at the launch of his directorial debut (a movie that bombed by the way) it would bring him big media coverage. The fools fell for it hook, line and sinker. However, the Bond producers finally put the rumours to bed when they said they'd never been any contact with the 46-year-old actor to begin with.

    After this revelation, the media then moved onto creating more click-bait stories for Bodyguard actor Richard Madden. Again, people fall for the click-bait stories and think that just because they've read a few responses supporting the idea that it's "everyone" that's down with it. But it's a straw poll, nothing more, nothing less. Also, without knowing anything about who these pro-Elba supporters actually are that are "screaming for Elba"—such as whether they are indeed Bond fans to begin with and actually go-see the movies or are just political provocateurs trying to push their own agenda—it's futile to try and give any credence to the Elba-support-for-007 bandwagon story that continues to keep rolling on. Oh, and the guy is 46-years-old and will be almost pushing 50 by the time of the next movie. Maybe even 51!! Seriously, why are we even discussing Elba's name anymore?
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    Elba knows how to promote himself. He's making the most out of his name being mentioned in connection with Bond. He's to old (obviously) to actually take on the role, but I wouldn't be against him being cast in a Bond film - as a villain, or maybe a future M?
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    I think because of his recent connections to the role of 007, @Torgeirtrap, I believe it would be a bad and a costly mistake for Elba to appear in a future Bond production in any way, shape or form, especially after this. It would create negativity where there shouldn't be any. Example: the pro-Elba-for-Bond campaign provocateurs will be whining about how Elba was shortchanged and should've been Bond, not the villain or M. It would also be a distraction from whoever was in the role as 007. Probably not the best comparison to make, but it would be the equivalent of having Cary Grant as Dr. No against Sean Connery's 007.

    This next paragraph is not directed at you @Torgeirtrap. This is solely aimed at those who use polls, awards, Rotten Tomatoes to push their own agendas or beliefs on to the rest of us. (Deep breath) I'm not interested in surveys to prove a point. Those can be faked or skewed. Without knowing anything about the demographic of the 2,086 U.S. adults that were involved, I'll take nothing from this survey that proves one thing or another. Even by their own admission, the people polled said: "they’d at least watched some of the series." That's very accurate then. When has "some" become a statistic? We're not talking an exact scientific number here to get the results. Fair-weather fans or not, who were these people? They could've all just stepped out of a K-Mart store for all we know.

    The only thing of interest that came out of this survey, that I notice was glossed over by our previous poster (not you @Torgeirtrap), was that out of the 2,086 U.S. adults polled they all preferred Sean Connery out of all the other Bond actors and showed a preference for the "old school" Bond movies over the post-millennial ones, with GF, FRWL, LALD and DAF being their own top 4 Bond movies. Even TMWTGG scores extremely high, above all Brosnan's efforts and every Craig Bond movie except CR, which only narrowly beat it. So what does that prove? Because every time I read these forums, DAF is always at the bottom of the ranking and GF is often derided as being over-rated!! So does that mean that you're all wrong on these forums and that DAF is actually one of the best Bond movies in the series? Certainly looks that way.

    Or does that suggest we choose what we want to see and believe?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    A future M, that’s an interesting idea.
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    bondsum wrote: »
    I think because of his recent connections to the role of 007, @Torgeirtrap, I believe it would be a bad and a costly mistake for Elba to appear in a future Bond production in any way, shape or form, especially after this. It would create negativity where there shouldn't be any. Example: the pro-Elba-for-Bond campaign provocateurs will be whining about how Elba was shortchanged and should've been Bond, not the villain or M. It would also be a distraction from whoever was in the role as 007. Probably not the best comparison to make, but it would be the equivalent of having Cary Grant as Dr. No against Sean Connery's 007.

    Definitely see your point, @bondsum. However, by the time Elba would be a candidate for any role in a Bond film (if not in Bond 25, where castings aren't known to us yet), he would be way past the age of possibly star as Bond anyway. As a villain (or M), he would still be within the right age group – as both M and several villains have been older than Bond. The question is; would Elba's presence overshadow whoever plays Bond opposite him? I don't think so. One could argue Ralph Fiennes is to high-profile to play Bond (as with Judi Dench), yet still he does.

    I think he could be a great villain, and a commanding M.
    bondsum wrote: »
    This next paragraph is not directed at you @Torgeirtrap. This is solely aimed at those who use polls, awards, Rotten Tomatoes to push their own agendas or beliefs on to the rest of us. (Deep breath) I'm not interested in surveys to prove a point. Those can be faked or skewed. Without knowing anything about the demographic of the 2,086 U.S. adults that were involved, I'll take nothing from this survey that proves one thing or another. Even by their own admission, the people polled said: "they’d at least watched some of the series." That's very accurate then. When has "some" become a statistic? We're not talking an exact scientific number here to get the results. Fair-weather fans or not, who were these people? They could've all just stepped out of a K-Mart store for all we know.

    The only thing of interest that came out of this survey, that I notice was glossed over by our previous poster (not you @Torgeirtrap), was that out of the 2,086 U.S. adults polled they all preferred Sean Connery out of all the other Bond actors and showed a preference for the "old school" Bond movies over the post-millennial ones, with GF, FRWL, LALD and DAF being their own top 4 Bond movies. Even TMWTGG scores extremely high, above all Brosnan's efforts and every Craig Bond movie except CR, which only narrowly beat it. So what does that prove? Because every time I read these forums, DAF is always at the bottom of the ranking and GF is often derided as being over-rated!! So does that mean that you're all wrong on these forums and that DAF is actually one of the best Bond movies in the series? Certainly looks that way.

    Or does that suggest we choose what we want to see and believe?

    Interesting point re. preference in Bond films. I think the reason that many here have DAF low in their rankings (not me!), and finding GF overrated – in contrast to the "general audience", is the way we pick these movies apart, discuss their strengths and weaknesses. etc. The regular moviegoer doesn't do that.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Anyone seen or know anything about this guy Gwilym Lee?

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    The Name sounds like the Name of a dwarf from middle-earth, but he Looks taller.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Looks like a Denbigh type.
  • edited November 2018 Posts: 3,333
    Definitely see your point, @bondsum. However, by the time Elba would be a candidate for any role in a Bond film (if not in Bond 25, where castings aren't known to us yet), he would be way past the age of possibly star as Bond anyway. As a villain (or M), he would still be within the right age group – as both M and several villains have been older than Bond. The question is; would Elba's presence overshadow whoever plays Bond opposite him? I don't think so. One could argue Ralph Fiennes is to high-profile to play Bond (as with Judi Dench), yet still he does.

    I think he could be a great villain, and a commanding M.
    To be honest, I don't see it ever going away. Elba could be 60 and the same deranged social media provocateurs would still insist that the producers only cast Elba because they realised their mistake in not replacing Craig with Elba when they had the momentum. Good actor or not, it would taint any future Bond movie by having Elba in a role that wasn't the leading one. Better to avoid the glass-half-full kind of situation totally and exclude the 46-year-old actor from any further association. After all, it's not paramount that Elba play either M or a villain. Personally, I think he could make a rather interesting M, but because of my previous concerns, I wouldn't go there.
    Interesting point re. preference in Bond films. I think the reason that many here have DAF low in their rankings (not me!), and finding GF overrated – in contrast to the "general audience", is the way we pick these movies apart, discuss their strengths and weaknesses. etc. The regular moviegoer doesn't do that.
    I agree. My guess is that some of the members here over-think it and over-indulge in watching too many Bond movies to the point where they can no longer enjoy a movie and take it for what it is. Which is why our own polls here don't prove anything, they're just a bit of harmless nonsense. Either way, the 2,086 U.S. adults polled in the aforementioned article still isn't a large enough figure to draw any satisfying conclusion from. By their reckoning, DAF is considered one of the best Bond movies of the entire series. Now I don't know what the actual figure is for people having seen a James Bond film but it's been estimated that half the world's population has at least seen a Bond movie at some point in their lifetime. Doesn't matter whether this is true or not. Even if it's lower or higher, that still means that 2,086 U.S. adults polled is a paltry amount to base any overall opinion on. In other words, I'm sure had more than 2,086 people been polled, the results would be entirely different.
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    Elba knows how to promote himself. He's making the most out of his name being mentioned in connection with Bond. He's to old (obviously) to actually take on the role, but I wouldn't be against him being cast in a Bond film - as a villain, or maybe a future M?

    Not so sure he knows how to promote himself given his failures at the BO. I agree he'd make a great villain, but now he painted himself in a corner imo.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm currently watching Condor and am enjoying the series immensely. I have mentioned him previously, but Max Irons has potential. He's not father Jeremy (not by a long shot) and certainly doesn't have the same level of suave, but he does bring a credible intensity, energy and physicality, and in time as he ages I can see him maturing into an excellent choice for the role. There's a dismissive casualness to him which reminds me of early Connery - in other words, he doesn't look like he's trying. I'd say he's my number three pick at present, behind Fassbender and Hiddleston.
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    Haven't seen Condor, but tossed on a few interviews with Max Irons. He's remarkably likeable. Articulate and very handsome. He's got intelligence and, unlike his peers, he's quite masculine.

    I'm going to put Condor on the list of must-see. If he's half the actor his dad is, and with the presence he gives off in interviews, I wouldn't be sad to see this guy as a future James Bond.
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