No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Unfortunately, too many of the former, eh @Creasy47 -- especially recently...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I have to say that I never find SP too long. I just find it boring and uneventful (and attrociously poorly written), but am quite surprised that it's as long as it is whenever I view it. I think the visuals save it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I love so many individual scenes in SP, the composition of them, lighting, costume... but, strung together it is a beautiful mess. I agree @bondjames, the visuals save it.

    However, as I mentioned to you before, try and FF through all the Nine Eyes scenes-- it makes for a more enjoyable viewing.

    Even as a visual, bjames, the Nine Eyes scenes seem flat compared to the rest of the film; flat and ugly, which can't be said about the other scenes.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Storytelling-wise, Spectre is awfully weak. But, it is the said "Classic Bond" segments and collective of scenes in it that makes me appreciate it too much. I especially love the fact that Craig's Bond started to deliver those one-liner jokes that have gone missing from the Bond film series for way too long.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree on the Nine Eyes scenes being visually flat @peter. The office exterior (CGI-fest) and interior do nothing for me either. I will definitely fast forward through that on my next viewing out of necessity.

    I find I much prefer the film if I just stop it after the 'Superman' moment at Blofeld HQ as well. That record holding explosion could easily serve as an 'imperfect' finale. The whole London bit is just ridiculous and tacked on imho.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    True @bondjames , the London finale is terrible (and cheap, from the soundstage, to the promo-pics of the actors; and the entirely stupid proposition that ESB and his BFF would have time to set up this gimmicky imagery in the first place!)

    I watched SP a couple weeks ago. Tried to watch this "climax"; aborted my attempt, and; FF'd to the final scenes with Q and Bond, and Bond driving away with Maddy.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I have to say that I never find SP too long. I just find it boring and uneventful (and attrociously poorly written), but am quite surprised that it's as long as it is whenever I view it. I think the visuals save it.

    The only scenes which truly bore me are the ones regarding M, Denbigh and the rest of the scooby gang. If it were for me, I'd actually keep the M-Bond conversation right after the title sequence and would take everything else out of the movie.

    I wish more time had been spent on developing Bond and Madeleine's relationship and setting up Blofeld as a proper villain, instead.
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Walecs wrote: »
    I wish more time had been spent on developing Bond and Madeleine's relationship and setting up Blofeld as a proper villain, instead.

    Totally agree. That was the movie that should've been along with including more with Mr White. That relationship with Blofeld and in relation, Madeline, should have been developed ignoring the brother angle for Bond altogether.

    Also, Rogue Nation has a much better and exciting London finale (at a fraction the cost) and that's what they should observe and do. SP would've been so much better by ending it w/Bond returning to stop C himself and have Hinx return for a climactic fight. Have Madeline actually say goodbye for the reasons she stated, 'can't go back to that way of life,' and leave Bond conflicted but finishing the job instead of making the retirement choice. Then show Blofeld in a quick scene showing he's alive and well and plotting, avoiding another painful "brother" episode and the rest.
  • Goldeneye0094Goldeneye0094 Conyers, GA
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    Guys let"s stay on bond 25 shall we
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Snake on a plane of being
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    Guys let"s stay on bond 25 shall we

    They probably count NSNA.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    peter wrote: »
    True @bondjames , the London finale is terrible (and cheap, from the soundstage, to the promo-pics of the actors; and the entirely stupid proposition that ESB and his BFF would have time to set up this gimmicky imagery in the first place!)

    I watched SP a couple weeks ago. Tried to watch this "climax"; aborted my attempt, and; FF'd to the final scenes with Q and Bond, and Bond driving away with Maddy.

    I think there is a good film inside spectre, maybe a fan edit.... but the plot is shit regardless and that cant be fixed
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    I think there is a good film inside spectre, maybe a fan edit....
    Now I really want a Spectre Minus Blofeld fanedit!
  • RC7RC7
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    peter wrote: »
    True @bondjames , the London finale is terrible (and cheap, from the soundstage, to the promo-pics of the actors; and the entirely stupid proposition that ESB and his BFF would have time to set up this gimmicky imagery in the first place!)

    I watched SP a couple weeks ago. Tried to watch this "climax"; aborted my attempt, and; FF'd to the final scenes with Q and Bond, and Bond driving away with Maddy.

    Bond driving away with Maddy is awful in my opinion. Don't have much of a problem with the London scenes otherwise. The 'damsel in distress' frippery is lazy, but the rest of it I just find, if you'll excuse my French, f***ing weird. Which I'll take over boring. That end scene with the DB5 just doesn't feel earned. If you compare it with CR, where they truly earn the right to let rip, it's borderline embarrassing.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    The ending to SP, I agree, is quite anti-climactic, but I'm like a john who keeps going back to the prostitute looking for love, only to find the end result is always the same: empty and meaningless.

    I then curl into a fetal position crying tears of self-loathing for going back to this well over and over to always the same result.

    That's what SP does to me... But I know I will watch it all over again one day, hoping against all hope that it has changed.

    And now I weep....

    All seriousness, yes @RC7, it is unearned-- I'm just a sucker for hearing the Bond theme playing as the DB5 growls awake...

    But that's like much of the film: I don't think Bond earns the trust of Q risking his job, nor the trust of MP to be his "mole", also at the risk of her job (considering Bond was "grounded"); I don't think he earned Madeleine's heart, nor did he earn his "recovery" from torture. There are so many areas of what appears to be absolute laziness in the film, the worst offender of all, being it's lack of tension.

    But I should add, I do enjoy going back to this film; I love so many individual scenes, with all their different tones, to the way they look and are executed. But individual scenes do not make a great film. My fondness for SP is because it is this beautiful mess. I realize it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I absolutely agree with most of its criticisms.

    But beneath the faults, there's some really lovely work being done, @RC7 .
  • RC7RC7
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    I don't disagree. I'm one of those people who thinks it's a perfectly fine Bond movie. Get the dislike. Don't get the rabid hatred.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    SP takes place in 2015. Bond 25 will take place in 2019.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    QUANTUM OF SOLACE didn't take place in 2008. Just sayin'.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Snake on a plane of being
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    SP takes place in 2015. Bond 25 will take place in 2019.

    How do you know this?
  • DoctorNoDoctorNo USA-Maryland
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    Here's a view on Mackenzie who I had as my third pick... I need to watch Hell or High Water again:

    https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/08/why-david-mackenzie-is-the-perfect-choice-to-direct-bond-25/
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    But SP didn't take place in 2015 @QuantumOrganization; it happened soon after M's death. She sent Bond the video telling him about Sciarra-- and she wasn't looking three years into the future when she made that video.

    SP is months after the events of SF, which is around 2012-13, @QuantumOrganization.

    And as an aside: when is this announcement to be made? You stated late August/early September...
  • RC7RC7
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    Every Bond takes place in the year it's made.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    peter wrote: »
    But SP didn't take place in 2015 @QuantumOrganization; it happened soon after M's death. She sent Bond the video telling him about Sciarra-- and she wasn't looking three years into the future when she made that video.

    SP is months after the events of SF, which is around 2012-13, @QuantumOrganization.

    And as an aside: when is this announcement to be made? You stated late August/early September...
    There is a notepad on Swann's desk dated April 2015.
  • RC7RC7
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    peter wrote: »
    But SP didn't take place in 2015 @QuantumOrganization; it happened soon after M's death. She sent Bond the video telling him about Sciarra-- and she wasn't looking three years into the future when she made that video.

    SP is months after the events of SF, which is around 2012-13, @QuantumOrganization.

    And as an aside: when is this announcement to be made? You stated late August/early September...

    Not how it works in Bond. It takes place in the year it's made.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    wow @jake24 -- what sharp little eyes you have... and now i have to-jig how I see the first parts of SP! Thanks for ruining my Saturday!...
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited September 2017 Posts: 1,165
    Bond has always had a sliding timeline, it's just more noticable now with how interconnected DC's movies are.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    QUANTUM OF SOLACE didn't take place in 2008. Just sayin'.

    Ah, but the date on the Greene Planet invitation says otherwise!
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    That rule has already been broken, @RC7.
  • RC7RC7
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    That rule has already been broken, @RC7.

    Has it?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Yes, when Mr. White is kneecapped in the closing moments of CASINO ROYALE then is taken for a ride in the boot of the Aston Martin with the opening of QUANTUM OF SOLACE.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    And to absorb @pachazo's point, I guess now things happen in Bond Time. In the Year of Our Bond.
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