No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • Posts: 4,619
    @QuantumOrganization Again, you need to man up and stop being cryptic.
    And you are missing the point that his SF score is not a 'great' Bond score due to one key element missing.
    Ok, I get it, you just want to hear the Bond theme anytime there is an action scene. I don't.
    Have you lost it, buddy? You really think I'm going to expose my source because you want me to!
    You need to start cutting the pills you take in half, son. I did not ask you to expose your "source". Just tell us how reliable your "source" is.

    If we're going to start talking about the reliability of each sources, do you mind telling us the reliability of your source about the Radiohead theme song for SP that you said was 100% bulletproof?
    I never had a source about the Radiohead theme song, genius. I just went all in, like Bond in Casino Royale.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Murdock wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    @Murdock sounds like wario on the toilet =))

    We should probably move on. =))

    @Murdock yeah did you see my other comment about Bond 25 Pretiles sequence?
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I'd imagine if Newman comes back they'll use David Arnold's Casino Royale Bond theme for the forth time since if Newman does try to write something new it will sound like this.

    (ring ring)
    "Barbara, it's Thomas Newman!"
    "It's 3 AM, Thomas! (pause) Okay, what do you want now?"
    "I've done it, I've finished writing the title song for Bond 25!"

    @mattjoes =))
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,328
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    @Murdock sounds like wario on the toilet =))

    We should probably move on. =))

    @Murdock yeah did you see my other comment about Bond 25 Pretiles sequence?

    Yes I did, It would be perfect. :))
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,686
    @QuantumOrganization Again, you need to man up and stop being cryptic.
    And you are missing the point that his SF score is not a 'great' Bond score due to one key element missing.
    Ok, I get it, you just want to hear the Bond theme anytime there is an action scene. I don't.
    Have you lost it, buddy? You really think I'm going to expose my source because you want me to!
    You need to start cutting the pills you take in half, son. I did not ask you to expose your "source". Just tell us how reliable your "source" is.

    If we're going to start talking about the reliability of each sources, do you mind telling us the reliability of your source about the Radiohead theme song for SP that you said was 100% bulletproof?
    I never had a source about the Radiohead theme song, genius. I just went all in, like Bond in Casino Royale.

    Glad to know it only took you about 20/30 minutes to understand that Bond films have their own theme songs, instead of having more hallucinations that I was talking about the Bond theme.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Murdock wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    @Murdock sounds like wario on the toilet =))

    We should probably move on. =))

    @Murdock yeah did you see my other comment about Bond 25 Pretiles sequence?

    Yes I did, It would be perfect. :))

    @Murdock ;)
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    @QuantumOrganization Again, you need to man up and stop being cryptic.
    And you are missing the point that his SF score is not a 'great' Bond score due to one key element missing.
    Ok, I get it, you just want to hear the Bond theme anytime there is an action scene. I don't.
    Have you lost it, buddy? You really think I'm going to expose my source because you want me to!
    You need to start cutting the pills you take in half, son. I did not ask you to expose your "source". Just tell us how reliable your "source" is.
    RC7 wrote: »
    @QuantumOrganization Again, you need to man up and stop being cryptic.
    And you are missing the point that his SF score is not a 'great' Bond score due to one key element missing.
    Ok, I get it, you just want to hear the Bond theme anytime there is an action scene. I don't.
    Have you lost it, buddy? You really think I'm going to expose my source because you want me to!

    You already told us your source is David Zaritsky.
    LOL. @QuantumOrganization please tell us Zaritsky is not your "source"! Don't get me wrong, I love his videos and he seems like a great guy, but if he is your "source" then this back-to-back rumor is clearly rubbish.
    You clearly are having fun being the wise guy so I'll let you have it.

  • edited August 2017 Posts: 4,619
    @QuantumOrganization Did Zaritsky tell you anything else about Bond 25? :))
    @QuantumOrganization Again, you need to man up and stop being cryptic.
    And you are missing the point that his SF score is not a 'great' Bond score due to one key element missing.
    Ok, I get it, you just want to hear the Bond theme anytime there is an action scene. I don't.
    Have you lost it, buddy? You really think I'm going to expose my source because you want me to!
    You need to start cutting the pills you take in half, son. I did not ask you to expose your "source". Just tell us how reliable your "source" is.

    If we're going to start talking about the reliability of each sources, do you mind telling us the reliability of your source about the Radiohead theme song for SP that you said was 100% bulletproof?
    I never had a source about the Radiohead theme song, genius. I just went all in, like Bond in Casino Royale.

    Glad to know it only took you about 20/30 minutes to understand that Bond films have their own theme songs, instead of having more hallucinations that I was talking about the Bond theme.
    Would the score of Skyfall really had been any better had it featured an instrumantal version of Adele's song? Am I the only one who finds this obsession of yours a bit weird?
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Baz still hasn't responded on twitter guys I guess we will have to just sit tight for a bit
  • Posts: 6,682
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Baz still hasn't responded on twitter guys I guess we will have to just sit tight for a bit

    Does he always respond?
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    mattjoes wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Baz still hasn't responded on twitter guys I guess we will have to just sit tight for a bit

    Does he always respond?

    @mattjoes usually to jake 24 yeah he does don't know what's taking him so long
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    The last few pages were very funny! However? I think I will await for something official?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,686
    Would the score of Skyfall really had been any better had it featured an instrumantal version of Adele's song? Am I the only one who finds this obsession of yours a bit weird?

    Given you use the Oscar nomination card every time Newman is attacked, I'll let you know that Adele actually won an Oscar for her SF theme song, which means, based on your own argument, it is a fact that Newman's compositions for SF are the worst thing about the soundtrack because he only managed an Oscar nomination for it, while Adele's work actually won your precious Oscar you keep mentioning.

    And by the way, you seem to have serious hallucination issues, because once again you are imagining things. I never said SF's soundtrack would be better with instrumental version of Adele's theme, but that it would make it a better Bond score. Which obviously you'd agree with, since it would mean more Oscar winning material in SF's soundtrack, instead of merely Oscar nominated material.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    A few points about the Bond title song discussion.

    During Barry's time (and even some of Arnold's), the composer wrote the title track and cooperated with the artist. Somewhere around AVTAK/TLD Barry started complaining about the artists not cooperating and being divas. There were creative differences with both Duran Duran and A-ha. Some of this was also due to the changes in the industry I believe (with record companies/artists having influence etc.).

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that these days the composer doesn't write the track. It's done independently. That can impact things.

    I also believe there could be some rights and royalty elements between various production studios when it comes to using the title track. I don't think YKMN is even on the CR soundtrack album for example.

    Additionally, there is the tight turnaround post-production. Barry could handle it as an experienced old-hand, but I can imagine someone who has other composing commitments could have more difficulty.

    If we want to go back to the days of having the track seamlessly interwoven into the soundtrack then they should allow the composer to write and compose the track imho.
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    Fair points but Cornell and Arnold dealt with all of these issues and "knocked it out of the park", if they can do it, so can others
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    patb wrote: »
    Fair points but Cornell and Arnold dealt with all of these issues and "knocked it out of the park", if they can do it, so can others

    Not only for CR but Arnold weaved no good about goodbye all throughout the quantum soundtrack too. He seems to like making the title song, while newmann doesnt seem to be able to.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Arnold likes to collaborate with artists to create the Title Song. Newman does seem like the collaborative type.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I don't see how anyone could really be expected to incorporate the unmelodic QoS or DAD songs in their compositions. They weren't written with that in mind. That's an example of what can happen when there are independent points of view.

    There weren't many 'romantic' moments in SF where Adele's slow track could be used (in contrast with TLD where they were many). I liked 'Severine' and am glad Newman used that for her scenes instead.

    In the case of SP I didn't miss its use because I personally detested WOTW with a vengeance.

    Still, I'd love to see it incorporated going forward if they can do it. That's something Bond films were renown for in the past. I've stated before that the 'soundtrack' is one area where they have failed since Barry's retirement from Bond, and I stand by that assessment. None of the newbies (including the so called 'successor') have come close imho.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited August 2017 Posts: 1,165
    Minion wrote: »
    Although I do side with @DaltonCraig007 on the theme being present, it wouldn't be the first time it went missing. GE didn't call back to the theme at all, and I don't recall hearing any of TWINE or LTK in their soundtracks. QOS is also devoid of AWTD, though it has several hints of Shirley Bassey's No Good About Goodbye (I don't buy Arnold's statement that it was sheer coincidence).

    It's definitely there in TWINE. A number of times during the boat chase and it pops up during the transition sequences.

    Neat, I'll listen for that next time I watch it. Oh, and I don't think Madonna's theme is used in Arnold's score either. Or did it pop up during the ice palace bit? It's been awhile since I last watched Die Another Day
  • Posts: 4,619
    Would the score of Skyfall really had been any better had it featured an instrumantal version of Adele's song? Am I the only one who finds this obsession of yours a bit weird?

    Given you use the Oscar nomination card every time Newman is attacked, I'll let you know that Adele actually won an Oscar for her SF theme song, which means, based on your own argument, it is a fact that Newman's compositions for SF are the worst thing about the soundtrack because he only managed an Oscar nomination for it, while Adele's work actually won your precious Oscar you keep mentioning.

    And by the way, you seem to have serious hallucination issues, because once again you are imagining things. I never said SF's soundtrack would be better with instrumental version of Adele's theme, but that it would make it a better Bond score. Which obviously you'd agree with, since it would mean more Oscar winning material in SF's soundtrack, instead of merely Oscar nominated material.

    You clearly haven't read my comment about the Oscars on page 991. :)) And frankly, I find the idea that there is a difference between a "great score" and a "great Bond score" pretty dumb.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,686
    You clearly haven't read my comment about the Oscars on page 991. :)) And frankly, I find the idea that there is a difference between a "great score" and a "great Bond score" pretty dumb.

    What's actually dumb is your way of arguing in an incredibly narrow state of thought regarding certain things. There is frankly no point trying to have an argument with you when you hold certain views like I've seen over the recent months in this thread. You seem blatantly unable to comprehend that when you make a film that's part of a pre-existing franchise like James Bond, you not only aim to make a great ''film" but a "great Bond film". Because, it frankly does not matter if Bond 25 were to be a cinematic masterpiece made by Nolan (like you wish as director) if the film doesn't remotely ressemble a Bond film. You can't make a Bond film in the same style/genre as 'Interstellar' or 'Jurassic Park' and slap the Bond brand on it, because on their own they are brilliant films but as Bond films they would be worthless junk because Bond shouldn't be fighting dinosaurs or travelling through worm holes. Similarly, you can't just ask Bob Marley to make the score for a Bond film in the same style he's world famous for, because even if he were to write the greatest reggae album in history, it would still totally out of place if it was an actual Bond soundtrack.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't see how anyone could really be expected to incorporate the unmelodic QoS or DAD songs in their compositions. They weren't written with that in mind. That's an example of what can happen when there are independent points of view.

    I think they can be incorporated into the scores, just probably not as romantic themes. I have a half-completed arrangement of DAD in attempted John Barry style. I just tried my hand at it to see what I could come up with, and it wound up sounding like a funeral dirge. I can see it being appropriate for at least one scene in the film. (I may upload it when it's finished.) The DAD song may not be suitable to be the "main theme" of a score, but it can be integrated into it in another capacity.

    As you may remember, the theme of The Living Daylights was incorporated into the score not as a love theme, but as an action and suspense one, with Barry using If There Was a Man for the romantic scenes. So there's always a way.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    mattjoes wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't see how anyone could really be expected to incorporate the unmelodic QoS or DAD songs in their compositions. They weren't written with that in mind. That's an example of what can happen when there are independent points of view.

    I think they can be incorporated into the scores, just probably not as romantic themes. I have a half-completed arrangement of DAD in attempted John Barry style. I just tried my hand at it to see what I could come up with, and it wound up sounding like a funeral dirge. I can see it being appropriate for at least one scene in the film. (I may upload it when it's finished.) The DAD song may not be suitable to be the "main theme" of a score, but it can be integrated into it in another capacity.

    As you may remember, the theme of The Living Daylights was incorporated into the score not as a love theme, but as an action and suspense one, with Barry using If There Was a Man for the romantic scenes. So there's always a way.
    Yes. please post it when you're done.

    I agree that there's always a way. I just don't think it should be a necessity to do it if the track doesn't 'readily' lend itself to that type of use. Why go through all kinds of effort to squeeze a square peg into a round hole, so to speak? When Barry wrote his title tracks he always ensured they had a distinct melodic & hummable hook to them, thereby lending themselves to incorporation into a composition. Lots of highs and lows. I can understand a composer (who by his/her nature is a creative type) not wanting to manipulate someone else's work which he/she didn't write.

    Yes, I agree on TLD. However both A-ha's main track and The Pretender's Where Has Everybody Gone were reasonably fast paced, lending themselves to action scenes.
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    @DaltonCraig007 I perfectly understand that when you make a James Bond film, you need to not only aim to make a great ''film" but a "great Bond film". The difference between you and I is that I don't have a rigid formula for what constitutes a "great Bond film".
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    For the record: the QUANTUM OF SOLACE score does use the melody of "Another Way to Die". At the close of the pretitles car chase, for one. For another, when Bond approaches Mathis's Italian villa, the music segues seamlessly from "You Know My Name" to "Another Way to Die". They're both structured on the James Bond Theme, it allows for that.
    Not frequently used, but there. Also, "Another Way to Die" uses an element of the "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" title theme. It's not so out of left field and non-Bond.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,686
    @DaltonCraig007 I perfectly understand that when you make a James Bond film, you need to not only aim to make a great ''film" but a "great Bond film". The difference between you and I is that I don't have a rigid formula for what constitutes a "great Bond film".

    Breaking news, since you still don't perfectly understand (but we are getting there): I do not have a 'rigid' formula for what constitutes a 'great Bond film' - I've long advocated that EON should give way more free-space than they currently do to directors they hire providing the current Bond actor's tenure doesn't have extreme tonal shifts between each outing that turns the tenure into a giant mess. But the point is you can not completely throw out the Bond formula to the point the film becomes unrecognizable as a Bond film. Which like it or not is also true for the soundtracks. You can not sign a reggae, heavy metal or rap artist/band to write the theme song and/or the OST for a Bond film because even if were to be a classic/masterpiece album in its respective genre, it deserves to go straight in the garbage can and be forgotten forever if it were marketed as an actual Bond soundtrack. There is countless ways to make Bond films and soundtracks for them without resorting to come up with something that would be impossible to guess is part of the franchise.
  • edited August 2017 Posts: 4,619
    @DaltonCraig007 And when does a Bond film become unrecognizable as a Bond film in your opinion? Is it when the Bond theme can't be heard during every action scene? Is it when Bond doesn't use a gadget every 5 minutes? Or is it when Bond doesn't wear a suit or tuxedo 24/7? :))

    And I'm guessing you believe it would be impossible to guess the score of Skyfall is part of the franchise...
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    @DaltonCraig007 And when does a Bond film become unrecognizable as a Bond film in your opinion? Is it when the Bond theme can't be heard during every action scene? Is it when Bond doesn't use a gadget every 5 minutes? Or is it when Bond doesn't wear a suit or tuxedo 24/7? :))

    And I'm guessing you believe it would be impossible to guess the score of Skyfall is part of the franchise...

    You're just putting words in his mouth, and you're not even doing it subtly.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2017 Posts: 15,686
    @DaltonCraig007 And when does a Bond film become unrecognizable as a Bond film in your opinion? Is it when the Bond theme can't be heard during every action scene? Is it when Bond doesn't use a gadget every 5 minutes? Or is it when Bond doesn't wear a suit or tuxedo 24/7? :))

    And I'm guessing you believe it would be impossible to guess the score of Skyfall is part of the franchise...

    We are going in the opposite direction again, since your hallucinations are happening again. Not once have I said SF's score is impossible to guess as part of the franchise. Maybe the problem is your English comprehension skills are having some black outs occurring tonight, because I said SF's score can't be described as a 'great' Bond score, which does not mean in any way that it is not recognizable as a Bond score. As for your first paragraph, if you think I need the Bond theme during every action scene, or gadgets every 5 minutes or a tuxedo during the entire film, you must have turned on your simple minded thinking process again, as absolutely none of the 24 existing Bond films even remotely fit the description you made there. Which begs to wonder why you use untrue generalizations about Bond films that I assumed, until now, were more common from people who aren't Bond fans arguing that Bond films are the same thing over and over again.

    And by the by, one of my favorite Bond films is QOS, which doesn't feature Q, Moneypenny, the 'Bond, James Bond' line, meaning it is even less close to the Bond formula than SF, the very same formula you think I am very rigid about.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Just speaking personally, I found the SF score to be quite 'fresh' after 17 years of David Arnold. I can't comment on whether or not it should have received an Oscar nomination (after all, Barry didn't get one which is a travesty and I don't know what the quality of the other scores were in 2012), but I don't think it was a bad score.

    I wouldn't be averse to Newman returning (seeing as he's worked with Demange), but I just hope he doesn't recycle this time.
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