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  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I thought it was a bit weird seeing Bond wearing an old fashioned shoulder holster next to a very modern tv.
  • GBFGBF
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I agree. Bond's flat in SP is shocking......he is very particular (in Fleming's books and say in DN).....the flat would be immaculate not like a student not bothering to unpack/ dress the place.

    I guess the rather untidy flat should symbolise Bond's disorderly mental condition. In fact, I find it strange to see Craig's Bond living in an immaculate flat. It just doesn't fit to his personality. He is the kind of man who looks better if he is dressed casually and less elegantly, at least in comparison to the other actors. The same applies to the look of his flat.

    So what does this mean? Maybe Craig is not the right choice for playing Bond? :-)
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Exactly how long after the events of SF does SP take place anyway? If Bond had been busy hunting down Sciarra then perhaps he didn't have time to properly clean his flat.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    pachazo wrote: »
    Exactly how long after the events of SF does SP take place anyway? If Bond had been busy hunting down Sciarra then perhaps he didn't have time to properly clean his flat.

    Maybe he hasn't acquired the services of May his elderly housekeeper at this point in the Craig's timeline? I always had the impression that he was just moving in - in Skyfall M tells him they've sold his previous flat on after he's presumed dead with no next of kin - think that is the real explanation and obvious if you've watched Skyfall.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    pachazo wrote: »
    Exactly how long after the events of SF does SP take place anyway? If Bond had been busy hunting down Sciarra then perhaps he didn't have time to properly clean his flat.

    Maybe he hasn't acquired the services of May his elderly housekeeper at this point in the Craig's timeline? I always had the impression that he was just moving in - in Skyfall M tells him they've sold his previous flat on after he's presumed dead with no next of kin - think that is the real explanation and obvious if you've watched Skyfall.
    That makes sense, but I would have preferred if MP had made reference to that rather than making the remark about just moving in. It would have helped the audience to recall the events of '3 whole years' prior, thanks to the delays we live with these days. HINT to EON: If you're going to take another 3-4 years to get the next one out, please don't expect the audience to remember all the connections.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    SC's 007 was more jaded in DAF than TD's 007 "acting" "jaded" in TLD and L2K
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Jill St. John was the perfect Tiffany Case until the last act; funny, sensual, cocky, manipulative...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Through a large part of TND, Carver comes across as more of a kid that was bullied in school and is getting his revenge a few decades late, rather than a genuinely threatening villain. He's too pouty when things don't go his way, and his menace only works for me during Paris' execution.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Through a large part of TND, Carver comes across as more of a kid that was bullied in school and is getting his revenge a few decades late, rather than a genuinely threatening villain. He's too pouty when things don't go his way, ...
    Yes, come to think of it...whom does that remind me of?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Through a large part of TND, Carver comes across as more of a kid that was bullied in school and is getting his revenge a few decades late, rather than a genuinely threatening villain. He's too pouty when things don't go his way, ...
    Yes, come to think of it...whom does that remind me of?

    I don't want to name any names or point any fingers, but the 45th POTUS?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Through a large part of TND, Carver comes across as more of a kid that was bullied in school and is getting his revenge a few decades late, rather than a genuinely threatening villain. He's too pouty when things don't go his way, ...
    Yes, come to think of it...whom does that remind me of?

    I don't want to name any names or point any fingers, but the 45th POTUS?

    Did you mean to write Poutus?
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    He is a bit too theatrical sometimes (his "hold the presses" monologue).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    He is a bit too theatrical sometimes (his "hold the presses" monologue).

    The way he says "Not to me...NOT TO ME!" while shrugging off Paris is so pouty. "My super cool news broadcast was interrupted, now I'm angry."

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Did you mean to write Poutus?
    No, this is not about Craig.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Here's something controversial for you. This is my favorite action sequence in SPECTRE:

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    These are my opinions that differ from hardcore bond fans despite me being one

    Dr no is very average
    Thunderball is the worst cinematic film ever
    I love the Spy Who Loved me and octopussy
    I think a View to a kill is shit
    The Living Daylights is my second favorite film
    License to kill is really good and so is dalton
    Pierce Brosnan is a great bond and has two great films. TND and goldeneye which I like lesser because of its cancerous score
    Skyfall is almost as bad as thunderball
    Quantum of solace is great not the best but a solid entry
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    A couple from DAD:

    Welcome To Cuba is one of Arnold's finest moments.

    I enjoy the Jinx/Miranda fight more than the Bond/Graves one at the end.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Dr no is very average

    Oh dear.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Dr no is very average

    Oh dear.
    What? It's got an average Sean Connery with a less than stellar villain , no gadgets a stupid plan and average action sequences
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    echo wrote: »
    A couple from DAD:

    Welcome To Cuba is one of Arnold's finest moments.

    I enjoy the Jinx/Miranda fight more than the Bond/Graves one at the end.
    I think the first half (roughly) of DAD is quite good overall (I was initially kind of elated that the first half of DAD was way better than the dismal TWINE, but the second half sort of disappointed so much as to completely nix that effect) , and NOT just for Arnold's excellent take on creating (or copying?) Cuban music. It's the second half that remits DAD to the junk heap, starting no later than the first meeting with Jinx.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    A couple from DAD:

    Welcome To Cuba is one of Arnold's finest moments.

    I enjoy the Jinx/Miranda fight more than the Bond/Graves one at the end.
    I think the first half (roughly) of DAD is quite good overall (I was initially kind of elated that the first half of DAD was way better than the dismal TWINE, but the second half sort of disappointed so much as to completely nix that effect) , and NOT just for Arnold's excellent take on creating (or copying?) Cuban music. It's the second half that remits DAD to the junk heap, starting no later than the first meeting with Jinx.
    I think Arnold is better than john barry
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Dr no is very average

    Oh dear.
    What? It's got an average Sean Connery with a less than stellar villain , no gadgets a stupid plan and average action sequences

    The only bit that really got me here is the "less than stellar villain".

    Connery is debatable but Wiseman is brilliant.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Dr no is very average

    Oh dear.
    What? It's got an average Sean Connery with a less than stellar villain , no gadgets a stupid plan and average action sequences

    The only bit that really got me here is the "less than stellar villain".

    Connery is debatable but Wiseman is brilliant.

    When I say villain I'm referring to DOCTOR NO WHO IN HIS 2 min of screen time sucks
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited February 2017 Posts: 40,585
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Dr no is very average

    Oh dear.
    What? It's got an average Sean Connery with a less than stellar villain , no gadgets a stupid plan and average action sequences

    The only bit that really got me here is the "less than stellar villain".

    Connery is debatable but Wiseman is brilliant.

    When I say villain I'm referring to DOCTOR NO WHO IN HIS 2 min of screen time sucks

    To me, the screen time is irrelevant if the actor in question makes an impact, which Dr. No does splendidly for me. All I needed was that dinner sequence to make up for a lack of seeing him throughout the rest of the movie.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Dr no is very average

    Oh dear.
    What? It's got an average Sean Connery with a less than stellar villain , no gadgets a stupid plan and average action sequences

    The only bit that really got me here is the "less than stellar villain".

    Connery is debatable but Wiseman is brilliant.

    When I say villain I'm referring to DOCTOR NO WHO IN HIS 2 min of screen time sucks

    To me, the screen time is irrelevant if the actor in question makes an impact, which Dr. No does splendidly for me. All I needed was that dinner sequence to make up for a lack of seeing him throughout the rest of the movie.

    Yeah that's true that scene is delightful but not enough to save the film
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    A couple from DAD:

    Welcome To Cuba is one of Arnold's finest moments.

    I enjoy the Jinx/Miranda fight more than the Bond/Graves one at the end.
    I think the first half (roughly) of DAD is quite good overall (I was initially kind of elated that the first half of DAD was way better than the dismal TWINE, but the second half sort of disappointed so much as to completely nix that effect) , and NOT just for Arnold's excellent take on creating (or copying?) Cuban music. It's the second half that remits DAD to the junk heap, starting no later than the first meeting with Jinx.
    I think Arnold is better than john barry

    All right, now you manage to shock us.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    A couple from DAD:

    Welcome To Cuba is one of Arnold's finest moments.

    I enjoy the Jinx/Miranda fight more than the Bond/Graves one at the end.
    I think the first half (roughly) of DAD is quite good overall (I was initially kind of elated that the first half of DAD was way better than the dismal TWINE, but the second half sort of disappointed so much as to completely nix that effect) , and NOT just for Arnold's excellent take on creating (or copying?) Cuban music. It's the second half that remits DAD to the junk heap, starting no later than the first meeting with Jinx.
    I think Arnold is better than john barry

    I think you just broke the "Controversial opinions" thread. I can think of no bigger Arnold fan than I, yet even I wouldn't make such a bold statement as that. Arnold himself certainly wouldn't!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    A couple from DAD:

    Welcome To Cuba is one of Arnold's finest moments.

    I enjoy the Jinx/Miranda fight more than the Bond/Graves one at the end.
    I think the first half (roughly) of DAD is quite good overall (I was initially kind of elated that the first half of DAD was way better than the dismal TWINE, but the second half sort of disappointed so much as to completely nix that effect) , and NOT just for Arnold's excellent take on creating (or copying?) Cuban music. It's the second half that remits DAD to the junk heap, starting no later than the first meeting with Jinx.
    I think Arnold is better than john barry

    I think you just broke the "Controversial opinions" thread. I can think of no bigger Arnold fan than I, yet even I wouldn't make such a bold statement as that. Arnold himself certainly wouldn't!

    I think casino Royale and quantum of solace , their score is far better than any other score even though I love Barry
  • RC7RC7
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »

    And SKYFALL is the best Bond film since FRWL. No kidding, and therefore no addition of "It's true. People tell me that all the time."

    I'm afraid I must disagree, Skyfall is the most anti-Bondian film of the whole franchise. 007 is no longer a gentleman spy with class but a worn-out, beardy bodybuilder who drinks Heineken from the bottle and plays working class bar games with scorpions. This film portrays a "Bond" for the politically correct masses who lost his elegance and with that basically his essence.

    'Working class bar games with scorpions' - so PC. Fuck are you on about?
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Dalton did seem a bit forced with the ladies. I don't think he even looked at Linda on the boat in the TLD pretitles. He always seemed more interested in the mission than the women. Laz had Tracy to distract him and was also in disguise as Sir Hillary at Piz Gloria, so perhaps that explains his behaviour.

    To be fair, she wasn't attractive at all.
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