Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.

    That works too. You could take Bond's anger at looking for Blofeld at the start of DAF either as him trying to locate him following his escape from the volcano or following Tracy's death. I prefer the latter, but to each their own.
  • GBFGBF
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.

    And how does Waltz's Blofeld fit in the concept? :-) How was he able to get out of the chimney?
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    GBF wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.

    And how does Waltz's Blofeld fit in the concept? :-) How was he able to get out of the chimney?

    The stainless-steel delicatessen broke the fall.

  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    GBF wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.

    And how does Waltz's Blofeld fit in the concept? :-) How was he able to get out of the chimney?

    Well I suppose since CR started a new timeline that shouldn't be too much an issue ;)
  • GBFGBF
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    GBF wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.

    And how does Waltz's Blofeld fit in the concept? :-) How was he able to get out of the chimney?

    The stainless-steel delicatessen broke the fall.

    So he was lucky enough not to hand it out to Bond :-) And maybe the fall also healed his neck fracture :-) And honestly, Blofeld looked so much younger and more vital in 2015 compared to 1981... Must have had very good doctors...
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    GBF wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    GBF wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.

    And how does Waltz's Blofeld fit in the concept? :-) How was he able to get out of the chimney?

    The stainless-steel delicatessen broke the fall.

    So he was lucky enough not to hand it out to Bond :-) And maybe the fall also healed his neck fracture :-) And honestly, Blofeld looked so much younger and more vital in 2015 compared to 1981... Must have had very good doctors...


    He used the same plastic surgeon he used back in DAF in 1971...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Can't...withstand...the...sarcasm...
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    Can't...withstand...the...sarcasm...

    Sarcastic wit,my friend,is at the heart of every true Englishman .

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Can't...withstand...the...sarcasm...

    Sarcastic wit,my friend,is at the heart of every true Englishman .

    I'm as sarcastic as Yanks come, believe me, but every so often the adage, "Have some of your own medicine" does me in. We are our own kryptonite, after all.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Can't...withstand...the...sarcasm...

    Sarcastic wit,my friend,is at the heart of every true Englishman .

    I'm as sarcastic as Yanks come, believe me, but every so often the adage, "Have some of your own medicine" does me in. We are our own kryptonite, after all.

    I know the feeling,believe me !

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    I doubt it's very controversial, but the Savalas Blofeld is definitely my favorite. He felt the most like a genuine arch-nemesis to Bond IMO, and was both intimidating and cool. The unrevealed ones are also great. Pleasance and Waltz I like okay. Gray... no thanks.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    GBF wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I like to think that Pleasence and Gray were decoys posing as Blofeld if need be leaving Savalas to be the genuine Blofeld.

    Interesting theory. The short stature of Pleasence would explain that, as would the fact that Gray's Blofeld has no neck brace, though the "Blofeld" we see in FYEO does still wear it.

    I also consider Gray's Blofeld to be Henderson as a Spectre agent. Then again I consider DAF to be a direct sequel to YOLT over OHMSS with OHMSS following the two films. It makes them more enjoyable to me.

    And how does Waltz's Blofeld fit in the concept? :-) How was he able to get out of the chimney?

    Different continuity. Waltz's Blofeld is the genuine article unless Bond 25 says otherwise.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    The GE game was/is a unique moment in video game history, the only thing comparable in the film world is probably GF. GE was a phenomenon.

    It was great until came along Half life or even perfect dark, the game lasted 2 years, the movie is still extremely popular and plays a lot on cable.

    GE the game was a phenomenon.

    on the n64 ? Of course i was on it like a junkie back in those years 97-99



  • Posts: 11,189
    Craig is rather Brosnan-esque in Spectre.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 11,189
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't see that at all.

    He does seem to be closer to the "super-agent" style of Brosnan in my view.

    -his suit is usually immaculate (the PTS)
    -the little moments of humour ("good evening" and the sofa gag)
    -he recovers from fairly traumatic injuries quickly (Blofeld's torture)
    -machine-gunning goons to escape
    -the video-game style car chase.
  • BAIN123 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't see that at all.

    He does seem to be closer to the "super-agent" style of Brosnan in my view.

    -his suit is usually immaculate (the PTS)
    -the little moments of humour ("good evening" and the sofa gag)
    -he recovers from fairly traumatic injuries quickly (Blofeld's torture)
    -machine-gunning goons to escape
    -the video-game style car chase.

    This is definitely more of a Craig thing than a Brosnan thing (see also: Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @BAIN123, his suit seems rather dirty (to me, anyway) during the PTS, and the difference between Craig's suits lately and Brosnan's is that the former's are way, way too tight. Fact. People can argue about how beautiful or "perfect" they are all they want, but they are absolutely way too tight-fitting, especially for a secret agent.

    I can agree on the machine-gunning the bad guys and a few select bits of humor, but not all of it.

    Which fairly traumatic injuries does Brosnan endure and disregard moments later? The only one that comes to mind is possibly the torture chair in TWINE. Even still, Blofeld demonstrates how damaging and painful the torture will be, and yet it doesn't seem to affect Bond in any way, shape, or form, so I just see this as a Mendes inconsistency, not so much being the "superhero" Bond that Brosnan was. Just look at Bond's inability to save Severine, only for him to turn into a supersoldier a few seconds later. Plus, these are events I can forgive in the Brosnan era, as his take on the entirety of it was much more OTT, laid-back, and fun, as opposed to this realistic, grounded era of Craig's. These are injuries I can see the likes of Brosnan and Moore getting over ASAP, but not Craig.

    Not sure about the video-game style car chase, either - when I think of that, I'd think of, say, the car chase between Bond and Zao in DAD. This car chase was uneventful and plain, the opposite of a video game.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't see that at all.

    He does seem to be closer to the "super-agent" style of Brosnan in my view.

    -his suit is usually immaculate (the PTS)
    -the little moments of humour ("good evening" and the sofa gag)
    -he recovers from fairly traumatic injuries quickly (Blofeld's torture)
    -machine-gunning goons to escape
    -the video-game style car chase.
    There were moments in SP where he looked (to me at least) like Craig doing a poor imitation of Brosnan doing a poor imitation of Moore. I wasn't impressed.

    Fortunately, he had some decent, genuine moments in SP as well, but they were far fewer than I expected, and far fewer than we've seen in previous Craig outings.
  • edited February 2017 Posts: 11,189
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @BAIN123, his suit seems rather dirty (to me, anyway) during the PTS, and the difference between Craig's suits lately and Brosnan's is that the former's are way, way too tight. Fact. People can argue about how beautiful or "perfect" they are all they want, but they are absolutely way too tight-fitting, especially for a secret agent.

    I can agree on the machine-gunning the bad guys and a few select bits of humor, but not all of it.

    Which fairly traumatic injuries does Brosnan endure and disregard moments later? The only one that comes to mind is possibly the torture chair in TWINE. Even still, Blofeld demonstrates how damaging and painful the torture will be, and yet it doesn't seem to affect Bond in any way, shape, or form, so I just see this as a Mendes inconsistency, not so much being the "superhero" Bond that Brosnan was. Just look at Bond's inability to save Severine, only for him to turn into a supersoldier a few seconds later. Plus, these are events I can forgive in the Brosnan era, as his take on the entirety of it was much more OTT, laid-back, and fun, as opposed to this realistic, grounded era of Craig's. These are injuries I can see the likes of Brosnan and Moore getting over ASAP, but not Craig.

    Not sure about the video-game style car chase, either - when I think of that, I'd think of, say, the car chase between Bond and Zao in DAD. This car chase was uneventful and plain, the opposite of a video game.

    Fair points.

    Regarding the last point, the chase did remind me a bit of games like Everything or Nothing in the early 2000s. It's style of delivering exposition while in the middle of an action sequence did seem like something that wouldn't be out of place in a PlayStation-style game. That and the general photography of the chase in SP and the one below:


    (6.15)

  • I understood what you were going for with the video game connection, @BAIN123. The photography/editing in the film feels a bit too smooth and polished and along-for-the-ride and the "exposition" cuts to MP add to the effect. However, there are way more pedestrians in that video game clip than there were in Rome. ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I never once thought of Brosnan while watching Spectre.
  • I never once thought of Brosnan while watching Spectre.

    Yes, because even at Spectre's worse, it's still a better film than the last three Broz pictures. GE trounces Spectre though, in my book.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Disagree on that last bit, but otherwise yes.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @BAIN123, his suit seems rather dirty (to me, anyway) during the PTS, and the difference between Craig's suits lately and Brosnan's is that the former's are way, way too tight. Fact. People can argue about how beautiful or "perfect" they are all they want, but they are absolutely way too tight-fitting, especially for a secret agent.

    I can agree on the machine-gunning the bad guys and a few select bits of humor, but not all of it.

    Which fairly traumatic injuries does Brosnan endure and disregard moments later? The only one that comes to mind is possibly the torture chair in TWINE. Even still, Blofeld demonstrates how damaging and painful the torture will be, and yet it doesn't seem to affect Bond in any way, shape, or form, so I just see this as a Mendes inconsistency, not so much being the "superhero" Bond that Brosnan was. Just look at Bond's inability to save Severine, only for him to turn into a supersoldier a few seconds later. Plus, these are events I can forgive in the Brosnan era, as his take on the entirety of it was much more OTT, laid-back, and fun, as opposed to this realistic, grounded era of Craig's. These are injuries I can see the likes of Brosnan and Moore getting over ASAP, but not Craig.

    Not sure about the video-game style car chase, either - when I think of that, I'd think of, say, the car chase between Bond and Zao in DAD. This car chase was uneventful and plain, the opposite of a video game.
    It seemed pretty quick how he recovered from a years long round of torture in Die Another Day.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @QuantumOrganization, but we've no idea how much time passes between the prisoner transfer and Bond's arrival in Cuba, which is surely a week or so at the bare minimum, compared to Bond snapping out of it in a matter of seconds in SF and SP.
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    Interesting comparing moments when Craig is like Brosnan. The only sequence I felt in which Daniel channels Pierce was in CR after Vesper rescues him, his delivery of " I wouldn't think of it". I could see Brosnan delivering that line in almost the same manner.
    That said, I do think Pierce would have fit in perfectly had SP been made for him instead of Craig.
  • Creasy47 wrote: »
    @BAIN123, his suit seems rather dirty (to me, anyway) during the PTS, and the difference between Craig's suits lately and Brosnan's is that the former's are way, way too tight. Fact. People can argue about how beautiful or "perfect" they are all they want, but they are absolutely way too tight-fitting, especially for a secret agent.

    I can agree on the machine-gunning the bad guys and a few select bits of humor, but not all of it.

    Which fairly traumatic injuries does Brosnan endure and disregard moments later? The only one that comes to mind is possibly the torture chair in TWINE. Even still, Blofeld demonstrates how damaging and painful the torture will be, and yet it doesn't seem to affect Bond in any way, shape, or form, so I just see this as a Mendes inconsistency, not so much being the "superhero" Bond that Brosnan was. Just look at Bond's inability to save Severine, only for him to turn into a supersoldier a few seconds later. Plus, these are events I can forgive in the Brosnan era, as his take on the entirety of it was much more OTT, laid-back, and fun, as opposed to this realistic, grounded era of Craig's. These are injuries I can see the likes of Brosnan and Moore getting over ASAP, but not Craig.

    Not sure about the video-game style car chase, either - when I think of that, I'd think of, say, the car chase between Bond and Zao in DAD. This car chase was uneventful and plain, the opposite of a video game.
    It seemed pretty quick how he recovered from a years long round of torture in Die Another Day.

    He was clearly being fed a steady diet of buffalo wings while imprisoned, so I don't think his treatment was all that bad.
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