Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How anyone can not like two of the greatest ballads ever, sung by the possibly two best female black singers ever, Patti and Gladys, IS BEYOND ME, really!!!

    Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, Etta James, Billie Holiday, and Whitney Houston would like a word with you!

    I said possibly.

    I was just making a joke point.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How anyone can not like two of the greatest ballads ever, sung by the possibly two best female black singers ever, Patti and Gladys, IS BEYOND ME, really!!!

    Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, Etta James, Billie Holiday, and Whitney Houston would like a word with you!

    I said possibly.

    I was just making a joke point.

    Me too. But I promised Mr B not to use emoticons again.
    I miss them though.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    A point well made however
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Deplorable how people here are insinuating that neither Gladys nor Patti belong to the greatest black female singers ever!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Deplorable how people here are insinuating that neither Gladys nor Patti belong to the greatest black female singers ever!

    I never said that, just that I think there are a few others that immediately come to mind first, is all. Both aforementioned women have phenomenal voices.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    I wasn't either. Hyperbole, thy name is BondJasonBond006.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I am pulling your legs for Patti's sake!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Enemy of the state
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How anyone can not like two of the greatest ballads ever, sung by the possibly two best female black singers ever, Patti and Gladys, IS BEYOND ME, really!!!

    Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, Etta James, Billie Holiday, and Whitney Houston would like a word with you!

    I said possibly.

    I was just making a joke point.

    Me too. But I promised Mr B not to use emoticons again.
    I miss them though.

    :-t (Birdleson when he sees emoticons)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How anyone can not like two of the greatest ballads ever, sung by the possibly two best female black singers ever, Patti and Gladys, IS BEYOND ME, really!!!

    Aretha Franklin, Nina Simone, Etta James, Billie Holiday, and Whitney Houston would like a word with you!

    I said possibly.

    Yeah Jason, show some R-E-S-P-E-C-T! ;)
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    That's really my problem with All Time High, it's a nice song but sounds like a standard ballad you'd hear on an easily listening radio station. I don't think it has a lot of power to it.
    You should listen to the version on David Arnolds shaken and stirred album...it has a great finish.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    Chriscoop wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    That's really my problem with All Time High, it's a nice song but sounds like a standard ballad you'd hear on an easily listening radio station. I don't think it has a lot of power to it.
    You should listen to the version on David Arnolds shaken and stirred album...it has a great finish.

    @Chriscoop, is that the one Iggy Pop did, or am I thinking of another?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    I remember listening to that whole album a couple of years back, but was foggy on the songs certain acts sang. I'll have to return to it for sure.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Shaken And Stirred

    is an absolute must have and ESSENTIAL LISTENING

    It's unbelievable that it will be 20 years old in 2017! It's timeless and to be honest The Propellerhead's close to 10 minutes version of OHMSS is the greatest instrumental track ever and equal to Barry's version.

    Every track is marvelous and different. This must be one of the albums I listened to most in my life. It really never left my heavy rotation playlist.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
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    It finds its way on in the car most weeks, I do tend to skip the bond theme though, not sure what Arnold was thinking there??
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    This version is the basis of what is heard in Shaken and Stirred. Shame it wasn't included. I'm not sure where this version came from.
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    @Murdock I believe that version was a b-side on the "Diamonds Are Forever" single from Shaken and Stirred. It's Arnold's best version of the Bond theme, IMO - it has some interesting flourishes and it swings.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    Thanks @Milovy. :-bd
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
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    It's a great version, this should have been on the album instead of the slow burn version that was. Still not sure if CR version is not still my favourite though????
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Roger Moore has the best Bond girls by far.

    Goodnight, Goodhead, XXX, Melina, Solitaire, MayDay, Octopussy and all the secondary Bond girls are way better than all others combined.

    Every single one is perfect for the Moore era and they are amongst the main reasons why LALD to AVTAK are the most fun of all Bond movies.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    @Jason, you got me thinking. Which Bond eras were the "best" in each Bond film element? So judging the eras as a whole, excluding OHMSS, for reasons apparent.

    Bond Girls- Connery (Domino is the only weak link, and I've come to like the duo of Bond girls in YOLT)

    Villains- Moore (this was close between Connery and Brosnan, but I like all the villains in the Moore era whereas Largo and Graves are the weak link in the Connery and Brosnan eras respectively.)

    Scores- Connery and Moore (Barry, nuff said. Moore also benefits from having one time composers whose scores were also very good)

    Action- Moore (this was a close fight with Dalton- the Moore era wins just because there is at least one stand out stunt or set piece in each of the seven films)

    Cinematography- Craig (close match with the Connery era, but the cinematographic work in the Craig era has been sublime)

    Plots/Storylines- Connery (DN-TB, unbeatable)

    Scripts/Dialogue- Connery (Close match with the Moore and Craig eras, but nothing compares with the wit of the Connery era)

    Bond performances- Moore (One word: consistency.)
  • GBFGBF
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    @Jason, you got me thinking. Which Bond eras were the "best" in each Bond film element? So judging the eras as a whole, excluding OHMSS, for reasons apparent.

    Bond Girls- Connery (Domino is the only weak link, and I've come to like the duo of Bond girls in YOLT)

    Villains- Moore (this was close between Connery and Brosnan, but I like all the villains in the Moore era whereas Largo and Graves are the weak link in the Connery and Brosnan eras respectively.)

    Scores- Connery and Moore (Barry, nuff said. Moore also benefits from having one time composers whose scores were also very good)

    Action- Moore (this was a close fight with Dalton- the Moore era wins just because there is at least one stand out stunt or set piece in each of the seven films)

    Cinematography- Craig (close match with the Connery era, but the cinematographic work in the Craig era has been sublime)

    Plots/Storylines- Connery (DN-TB, unbeatable)

    Scripts/Dialogue- Connery (Close match with the Moore and Craig eras, but nothing compares with the wit of the Connery era)

    Bond performances- Moore (One word: consistency.)

    I am not sure about that. I guess that the secondary Bond girls are better in the Connery era (Sylvia, Jill, Aki (or Kissy)) but I am not a big fan of Tatjana. I also think Honey Rider is extremely overrated. Like Pussy she also appeared quiet late in the film. Of course they are very iconic since they were the first but I am not really as amazed as others.

    I personally think that overall Craig had the best Bond girls and I am not even a big fan of the Craig era but the girls on average have more personality and are also very well acted. All in all I guess that even the secondary Bond girls are good in the Craig era. Certainly CR lifts it up for me since Vesper is my favourite Bond girl but I also quiet like Camille and Severine. And also - Madeleine despite the fact she is not doing so very much - is at least very well acted.
  • GBFGBF
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    On the contrary, I would probably say that the villains are better in the Connery era. Even though I also like all Moore villains, I guess that Goldfinger, Klebb, Dr. No, Blofeld, Oddjob, Red Grant are all very iconic and great. Largo is not bad either. I guess he is an ordinary villain and he has a great henchwoman.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    For me, the Craig era has only had one stand out Bond girl- Vesper. I do like Camille and Severine, but Severine has what, like 15 minutes screen time? I find Seydoux to be an absolute bore.

    In the Connery era, I love Honey, Tatiana, Pussy and Tiffany (ditz and all). The first three are iconic and set the template for what a Bond girl should be. Honey and Tatiana are exotic beauties and work well in their respective stories. I've always like Tiffany's feistiness in the first half of DAF, and she has some great dialogue, too.

    The Connery era has some strong villains, but I just prefer Kananga, Scaramanga, Nick Nack, Tee Hee, Samedi, Jaws, Drax, Khan, Orlov, Zorin and May Day.
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    While i agree Eva Green was Craigs best Bond girl, one of the VERY best imho! I still liked Olga Kurylenko, and i certainly didnt find Lea Seydoux a bore, she was wonderful and sexy!
    Didn't think much of Severine, but agree it probably because she had so little screentime!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Severine actually is one of the very view things about Skyfall that is great.
    She plays Craig to the wall in that casino scene.

    What a shame they didn't write a better bigger part for such a great and beautiful actress.

    We'll always have Macau, though.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    So following on from the best jubblies thing the other week:

    If you could have a harem composed only of one actors Bond girls which would you go for?

    For me:

    1. Dan's - Vesper and Solange almost enough on their own but then throw in Camille, Fields, Severine, Lucia and Madeline and although the numbers are fewer it's a very high quality selection.

    2. Sean's - Honey, Tatiana, Fiona are the standouts but able support from Sylvia, Molly, Domino, Helga, Plenty, Tiffany. Can't say Aki or Kissy do that much for me but it's nice to have them in there for the variety.

    3. Rog's - For the sheer numbers alone, despite the fact he has quite a few ropey ones (Rosie, Saida, Felicca, May Day), there's still plenty of quality in there too.

    4. Pierce's - Natalya, Xenia, Elektra, The Pikelet all very fine. And for all her other faults Jinx looks superb in that bikini and let's be honest who wouldn't like a bit of Christmas Jones? Yes she lacks the class of a Vesper but she's still damn hot.

    5. Tim's - I love Kara and Pam is pretty hot too. Lupe's just annoying.

    6. George's - Tracy is hard work but Ruby seems like a good laugh for a week or two. But lack of numbers kille both George and Tim.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    You put Dan's girls over Sean's???

    I'm shure you would like to reconsider!!

    @TheWizardOfIce
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited September 2016 Posts: 5,079
    Shameless plug, but feel free to post your Bond girl rankings here- http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/9127/rank-the-main-bond-girls#latest

    Mine needs a serious update. Solitaire at 13? What was I thinking?
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    6. George's - Tracy is hard work but Ruby seems like a good laugh for a week or two. But lack of numbers killed both George and Tim.

    Its a shame and a tragedy that Angela Scoular,who played Ruby,had terrible depression,and committed suicide by drinking and covering herself in drain cleaner.
    Even her husband,Leslie Phillips,didnt expect it.



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