The June 2016 UK Referendum on EU Membership: [UPDATE] What kind of BREXIT do YOU want?

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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited June 2016 Posts: 8,204
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I really don't want Theresa May to be our next Prime Minister. She didn't openly come out and support Brexit so why should she benefit from the power vacuum caused by the LEAVE vote winning the EU referendum? Some people have very short memories indeed.
    Perhaps because she didn't. It would give her a chance to close the rift between the In- and Out camp. In the end, you'll all have to go foreward, can't leave 49% behind...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    edited June 2016 Posts: 13,384
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/unusually-high-number-of-people-seeking-irish-passports-northern/
    Large number of people looking to get an Irish passport.
    Also this Kim Jung-un chap regularly gets 100% in the voting, I'd say
    He'd be popular, must be a nice bloke.
  • Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Until Article 50 is invoked this won't go anywhere. Blair was on MSNBC this morning and suggested a delay for a while before starting the formal exit process.

    I believe the process won't begin until everyone thinks through the implications of what has happened and prepares a way forward.

    The US will play a part in this behind the scenes as well (as it always does) and there is uncertainty there too, until November at least.

    Interesting times.

    Do you see the differences of interest between on one side the UK and on the other side the EU?

    I dare to say that you refer to the UK and the UK's interests to think things through and through.

    But in all honesty, this is exactly part of the story that should have been sold before the referendum, during the campaign stage. 'Getting out' is a simple story to tell the voters. But the actual exit and with it all its bureaucracy is the more difficult story that campaigners and politicians should have told.

    I agree with you that one has to think carefully how to move forward. But carefulness should go hand in hand with swiftness. And then I arrive again at my argument in which I say: Do not wait to long for the sake of financial and economic stability. That's not in the interest of the citizens of the UK.

    I still feel....flabbergasted that especially now, due to the emergency nature of this situation, the UK (and the EU) have to wait until October for a new PM. And most likely the first 'working group' that will get the task to detailedly set out all the goals for the exit and with it the legislative goals, won't be finalized until after the summer.

    Dear @BondJames? I. Just. Don't. Get. It. It's disruptive and frankly I think you're not helping the people with it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2016 Posts: 23,883
    The UK is looking first and foremost at its political situation (and perhaps that of Washington) before making any binding decisions. That is in its interests.

    I'm afraid the EU's interests are not paramount at this time to such decision processes.

    Yes, I do see the differences, but I disagree that a delay hurts the EU. It only hurts the EU if they want to soldier on in the same way they have always been doing. If they are serious about reforms, then get on with it.

    In such a scenario, a delay in invoking Article 50 may actually help everyone.

    The markets are the markets - they will sort themselves out, after making new millionaires out of this process, and new paupers as well.
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    I get know sense at all that the EU as an organisation is willing to use this as a learning experience. Their overriding reaction seems to one of anger (at us). There is no inner reflection or recognition that we are still all Europeans. They seem to have a very narrow view (which of course, is one of the reasons we voted out)
  • Crazy idea agree to low tariffs say 5%, as there is a deficit between what we import & export to the EU, then give tax breaks to UK companies to compensate for the export tariffs, then use the additional income from the tariffs coming in to cut VAT so we end up with no one being disadvantaged on either side but the EU can save face. >:)
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    The UK is looking first and foremost at its political situation (and perhaps that of Washington) before making any binding decisions. That is in its interests.

    I'm afraid the EU's interests are not paramount at this time to such decision processes.

    Yes, I do see the differences, but I disagree that a delay hurts the EU. It only hurts the EU if they want to soldier on in the same way they have always been doing. If they are serious about reforms, then get on with it.

    In such a scenario, a delay in invoking Article 50 may actually help everyone.

    The markets are the markets - they will sort themselves out, after making new millionaires out of this process, and new paupers as well.

    I tend to disagree on certain points. The EU is not a country. It is a union that consists of 27 nations. And in my humble opinion, I do think their interests are aimed at swift action from the UK.

    I also think that, at this stage, it is naïve to think that a delay will help. Obviously you blame the market. And they are to blame. But it's not like the market directly voted in the referendum. Moreover, you tend to forget the stability of more simple companies, small and medium sized. There are also simple economic and financial forces at stake here that are directly related to last week's Brexit.

    So you are not entirely correct. It's not like the UK's interests are paramount now, like you imply. The interests of 27 other nations are paramount too:

    Austria
    Belgium
    Bulgaria
    Croatia
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Estonia
    Finland
    France
    Germany
    Greece
    Hungary
    Ireland
    Italy
    Latvia
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Malta
    The Netherlands
    Poland
    Portugal
    Romania
    Slovakia
    Slovenia
    Spain
    Sweden
    United Kingdom

    Regarding the EU: Even if the EU stops soldiering around, which they actually are doing right now, a delay from UK's side is still damaging to the overall financial and economic stability.

    Not the UK's interest's are paramount. Not the EU's interest's are paramount. But ALL interests from all sovereign states on the European continent are paramount.

    By the way: Do we actually care about the countries that are very positive about the EU?
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    There are lots of different options to discuss and something will be worked out, there seem to be an atmosphere of panic within some areas that really are not justified.
  • Act in haste, repent at leisure. ;)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    " Regret is unprofessional " ;)
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    patb wrote: »
    There are lots of different options to discuss and something will be worked out, there seem to be an atmosphere of panic within some areas that really are not justified.

    Well, June 24th 2016 wasn't exactly a referendum about building a new shopping mall in a small town. It was a tiny bit bigger than that...
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    all the more reason not to panic
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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Not the UK's interest's are paramount. Not the EU's interest's are paramount. But ALL interests from all sovereign states on the European continent are paramount.?
    I did not mean to suggest that the UK's interests are paramount. Just that they are paramount to the UK. That is precisely what this referendum was about.
    Obviously you blame the market. And they are to blame.
    I'm sorry, but I didn't blame the market. On the contrary. The market is what it is. Live with it. It's a giant casino with leveraged trades and algorithms running everything these days. It shouldn't impact decision making either way, and sadly, it has since the financial crisis. World economies are currently held hostage by financial gamblers. That is not how it should be.

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    As I said, the best thing for all concerned is if the EU could show that it is serious about reforms and starts enacting some substantial ones quickly, before the upcoming French elections. If they do that, and if the UK resists invoking Article 50 until October, then I can see a better way out of this. Now until October will be critical, for the EU as much as for the UK. This time will determine how it all plays out eventually. Time to end the posturing and get to work.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Gustav_Graves
    Which countries do you think are positive about the EU??
    And I mean the actual people and not government.
    Looking forward to that list.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :D
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    Donald Trump should have kept his big mouth shut.

    Oh, who am I kidding : asking him to do that is an impossibility. Still, one good thing : here are the reactions read by a Time Lord. And not the one you're thinking of :

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    =))
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I really don't want Theresa May to be our next Prime Minister. She didn't openly come out and support Brexit so why should she benefit from the power vacuum caused by the LEAVE vote winning the EU referendum? Some people have very short memories indeed.
    Perhaps because she didn't. It would give her a chance to close the rift between the In- and Out camp. In the end, you'll all have to go foreward, can't leave 49% behind...

    Well, she was still in the REMAIN camp and if indeed she did think differently she still didn't have the bottle or the courage of her convictions to come out and back the LEAVE campaign. Thus, in my view at least, she doesn't have what it takes to be Prime Minister.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dragonpol for Prime Minister.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :)) Great poster @TripAces. and I'd vote for you @Dragonpol ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Sean Connery is confirmed as the next PM.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    ... of Scotland perhaps. :D
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2016 Posts: 13,978
    The spirit of Ian Fleming for PM.

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    "I've got your second referendum right here."
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    "Does one feel lucky, old boy ?" ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    To Juncker. "Are you talking to me?"
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    :)) Great poster @TripAces. and I'd vote for you @Dragonpol ;)

    Well at least that's one vote rounded up! :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Now that Faraga has secured his "caliphate", an area of his own dominion without any outside interference, what's he still doing in the EU parliament? Shouldn't he be locking himself away on his proud, independent Island, fighting the evil separatists of Scotland and Northern-Ireland? If Europe needs a "damp rag", we'll invite him.

    Oh, I'm sorry. Am I trying too hard to kick Farage in the balls for what he once said about my prime minister? Ultra-nationalism can be such a bitch.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I'm sure Nigel Farage doesn't take his salary as an MEP from the dreaded EU though. ;)
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