SPECTRE - Press reviews and personal reviews (BEWARE! Spoiler reviews allowed)

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  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
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    I think the action and humour are absolutely fine and for the most part, bang on the money.

    The story didn't quite deliver the emotional punch that I was hoping for. Maybe it was because of the narrative of the last 3 films that I didn't think expect this film would be more of a return to a Connery or Moore film.

    I still enjoyed it immensely but I will need a few more viewings to give it a full evaluation.

    Hi @WillyGalore how to compare this with QoS (which i quite enjoyed by the way, and believe to one of the most underated JB movies of all time)? Because, without seeing Spectre yet i would say this would be the closest DC JB movie to Spectre?
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    No whattitw at the end. Maybe that was just TOO reminiscent of another dead girl on the passenger seat if an Aston that'd put a real downer on a hopeful ending.

    Why can't Bond have a regular girl on the side and still be on missions as SC did from the get go with Miss Trench?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    andmcit wrote: »
    Why not a return for ESB, Himx and Madeline?

    Bond can't just drive off in his Aston into the sunset WITH the girl and not have the rug pulled out from under him!

    He's a really unlucky kinda guy where nice stuff doesn't happen. Still x2 years with Madelone before she lets herself go a bit could make up for the wheels falling off the wagon on the next outing.

    Can't see it being anyone but DC

    Are they doing Hunt's original idea for OHMSS with the film ending with the Aston driving off into the sunset and then the PTS for DAF starting with the killing of Tracy?

    PTS of Bond and Madeline still together (married?) interspersed with action scenes of Blofeld escaping culminating in Madeline being assassinated and into the title song.

    Then could have a full on adaptation of Fleming's YOLT. The early scenes of Bond having a mental collapse would appeal to Dan and Mendes sense of character arc and then a finale of Bond killing Blofeld (maybe even have Irma Bunt return?) and then ending up with amnesia would be a fine way for Dan to sign off his bleak, gritty era. Although it is rather too close to the ground they covered in SF.
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
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    andmcit wrote: »
    No whattitw at the end. Maybe that was just TOO reminiscent of another dead girl on the passenger seat if an Aston that'd put a real downer on a hopeful ending.

    Why can't Bond have a regular girl on the side and still be on missions as SC did from the get go with Miss Trench?

    Thanks!
    :( I kinda wanted it to be on the movie, because i absolutely love OHMSS (and it would be kind of an homage) but anyway not that important.
    Regarding the regular girl, i agree with you. Miss Trench still remains one of the best Bond Girls of the series (despite her minor role!)
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    I think the action and humour are absolutely fine and for the most part, bang on the money.

    The story didn't quite deliver the emotional punch that I was hoping for. Maybe it was because of the narrative of the last 3 films that I didn't think expect this film would be more of a return to a Connery or Moore film.

    I still enjoyed it immensely but I will need a few more viewings to give it a full evaluation.

    Hi @WillyGalore how to compare this with QoS (which i quite enjoyed by the way, and believe to one of the most underated JB movies of all time)? Because, without seeing Spectre yet i would say this would be the closest DC JB movie to Spectre?

    I really dislike QoS so for me, SP is infinitely a better film. This is DC's best and most self assured performance as Bond yet IMHO.
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    I think, this is what can make it a very successdul follow up to SF

    #SPECTRE is the first in the Daniel Craig series to display similarities to the older movies. A Bond movie for the true Bond fans. Loved it.
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    what about SPECTRE's scheme? do we see the destruction that is caused by the organization (CNS - drones?) at an international level? or just the personal story of getting back at bond? if it is the latter, it will be disappointing. It looks like they just followed Nolan's formula for BB, TDK and TDKR with CR/QOS, SF, and SP with bond retiring at the end? I hope SP is better than the overrated TDKR.
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    The South Africans weren't playing ball and got a terrorist attack on Cape Town. References to x2 other terrorist atrocities in the Eyes Wide Shut meeting but not Ll in your face and background if not incidental
  • Hi All, I'm Timmy and am new here :)

    I seen spectre last night and to be honest I left the cinema with my heart racing. The 3rd act just blew me away! I felt it had a real emotional punch - Yes fair enough the relationship with Madeleine and James could of had a bit more work, agreed - but for some reason mainly due to the good acting that it felt real, it felt genuine and because of how sinister Blofeld was combined with all that James has went through - it made me root all the more for the two of them. I just loved it and was beyond shocked that it actually had a happy ending - surely this is Craigs last?

    Anyway, I loved the PTS, the spectre meeting, the train fight and the aeroplane stunts in Austria - the car chase for me to be honest was one of the major disappointments of the film. I was expecting this gritty high octane chase, we all heard in the build up how the cars were zipping around the vatican at 100mph and to be honest it was all a bit too light hearted in a scene that should have been full of tension. The ending also, we see flipping the switch and then landing, we didn't actually see him ejecting out of the car - it took them 30 days or thereabouts filming in Rome - the editing mustn't have done it justice, really poor scene for me. All the rest of the action sequences where up with the best of the entire series.

    I have read quite a few moaning about the score but for me it was perfect, it wasn't a complete copy of Skyfall at all although it certainly had elements of skyfall throughout. The cinematography was probably one of the best I've ever seen. I personally loved the film and rate it far superior to Skyfall which was too slow, with weak action, a plot full of holes, no real locations - it was just a bit "meh" whereas Spectre had all the ingredients for a classic Bond Film. I felt Mr Hinx could have had more character, i was expecting him to be a bit more sarcastic and evil, instead he was pretty much like the henchman in for your eyes only, a brickhouse lol he had no real persona.

    I loved the story, the character development, the back story, the old formula back with some new, the return of gadgets, the bond girls, the pacing (although it dropped briefly midway) - All in all I rate the film 4 out of 5, it's no casino royale but it makes my top 5 :)
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    andmcit wrote: »
    Why not a return for ESB, Himx and Madeline?

    Bond can't just drive off in his Aston into the sunset WITH the girl and not have the rug pulled out from under him!

    He's a really unlucky kinda guy where nice stuff doesn't happen. Still x2 years with Madelone before she lets herself go a bit could make up for the wheels falling off the wagon on the next outing.

    Can't see it being anyone but DC

    It is pure speculation from my part, but I think Hinx might be in a clinic right now, nursing his wounds and getting better. I think we might see more of him, maybe freeing Blofeld from his jail?

    As for Madeleine, how about seeing her breaking up with Bond in Bond 25? Kind of like DAF-FRWL novels with Tiffany Case. And talking of DAF, am I the only one who saw the elements they borrowed from this novel?
  • EndCredit007EndCredit007 EGYPT
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    I think they planned that Hinx be the new Jaws .. not i mean he will return but i think they are waiting for the feedback to decide ..
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    I think they planned that Hinx be the new Jaws .. not i mean he will return but i think they are waiting for the feedback to decide ..

    I find him far better than Jaws. Not nearly as comedic and he never comes off as a buffoon.
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    Hinx can't have been written out of the series permanently just from being chucked out of a train with some beer barrels attached to a rope. Anyhow. he probably landed in a river (there always is one below when someone falls off a train) and used the kegs to drift down to the next port of call. He wasn't in London because he's trying to find a decent tailor to straighten out his nice 3 piece suit first. And because he consumed the contents of 4 barrels of beer...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I found him very menacing, and in the fight scenes very fast. :)
    The fight on the train was, brilliantly choreographed.
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
    Posts: 243
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I think, this is what can make it a very successdul follow up to SF

    #SPECTRE is the first in the Daniel Craig series to display similarities to the older movies. A Bond movie for the true Bond fans. Loved it.

    This is what i wanted to hear! Thanks @Germanlady! ^:)^ No doubts, i will LOVE IT!
  • Mi6LisbonBranchMi6LisbonBranch Lisbon, Portugal
    Posts: 243
    timmyv123 wrote: »
    Hi All, I'm Timmy and am new here :)

    I seen spectre last night and to be honest I left the cinema with my heart racing. The 3rd act just blew me away! I felt it had a real emotional punch - Yes fair enough the relationship with Madeleine and James could of had a bit more work, agreed - but for some reason mainly due to the good acting that it felt real, it felt genuine and because of how sinister Blofeld was combined with all that James has went through - it made me root all the more for the two of them. I just loved it and was beyond shocked that it actually had a happy ending - surely this is Craigs last?

    Anyway, I loved the PTS, the spectre meeting, the train fight and the aeroplane stunts in Austria - the car chase for me to be honest was one of the major disappointments of the film. I was expecting this gritty high octane chase, we all heard in the build up how the cars were zipping around the vatican at 100mph and to be honest it was all a bit too light hearted in a scene that should have been full of tension. The ending also, we see flipping the switch and then landing, we didn't actually see him ejecting out of the car - it took them 30 days or thereabouts filming in Rome - the editing mustn't have done it justice, really poor scene for me. All the rest of the action sequences where up with the best of the entire series.

    I have read quite a few moaning about the score but for me it was perfect, it wasn't a complete copy of Skyfall at all although it certainly had elements of skyfall throughout. The cinematography was probably one of the best I've ever seen. I personally loved the film and rate it far superior to Skyfall which was too slow, with weak action, a plot full of holes, no real locations - it was just a bit "meh" whereas Spectre had all the ingredients for a classic Bond Film. I felt Mr Hinx could have had more character, i was expecting him to be a bit more sarcastic and evil, instead he was pretty much like the henchman in for your eyes only, a brickhouse lol he had no real persona.

    I loved the story, the character development, the back story, the old formula back with some new, the return of gadgets, the bond girls, the pacing (although it dropped briefly midway) - All in all I rate the film 4 out of 5, it's no casino royale but it makes my top 5 :)

    First of all welcome to the forum (very nice to see so many new members this last few days). Going to your review, i have the strange feeling that mine will be very similar. I preety much have the same point of view as you in some aspects of the JB movies.
    Just to check, my favourite JB movie is On Her Majesty's Secret Service. What's yours? cheers
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    Rewatch thoughts - better this time round. More rewatchable than SF in any case I feel. Madeleine/Bond relationship still a problem for me.....
    totally fine with the Blofeld reveal now.

    And really like third act, train scene on. This is where the film IMO really hits its stride tone and pace wise. Wish the first half was not so sterile but this will do for sure.

    PS. Newman leading his score into WOTW is a brilliant touch.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    andmcit wrote: »
    Why not a return for ESB, Himx and Madeline?

    Bond can't just drive off in his Aston into the sunset WITH the girl and not have the rug pulled out from under him!

    He's a really unlucky kinda guy where nice stuff doesn't happen. Still x2 years with Madelone before she lets herself go a bit could make up for the wheels falling off the wagon on the next outing.

    Can't see it being anyone but DC

    It is pure speculation from my part, but I think Hinx might be in a clinic right now, nursing his wounds and getting better. I think we might see more of him, maybe freeing Blofeld from his jail?

    As for Madeleine, how about seeing her breaking up with Bond in Bond 25? Kind of like DAF-FRWL novels with Tiffany Case. And talking of DAF, am I the only one who saw the elements they borrowed from this novel?

    Am I the only one who noticed the guy had 5 barrels attached to his neck with a rope?

    People who try to top themselves by tying a 10 foot rope to a lampost and then driving off usually rip their head off. It really isn't that hard to break a neck so to have him survive would be up there with Jaws landing in the big top for believability.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 7
    Mi6LisbonBranch - Thank you :) My favourite Bond Movies are Casino Royale, Goldeneye and yea OHMSS - I like the grittier, more personal stories! Dr No, From Russia with Love and LTK are favourites also - I would slot spectre probably around 5th / 6th - this may increase with time.
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    Just on way back from bfi imax
    is it possible that swan falls for bond as she is recovering from the death of her father and is infatuated with bond as a father figure that's the only way I can explain how quickly she falls in love with bond but it does not explain things from bonds perspective
    will give more feedback later but in summary
    "so near and yet so far"
  • pjvpjv Australia
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    Does anyone have a video of the Barbara.B interview with David Williams - I want to see her reaction
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    edited October 2015 Posts: 3,144
    pjv wrote: »
    Does anyone have a video of the Barbara.B interview with David Williams - I want to see her reaction
    Best place to find this is on the live screen recording webcast lets just say she's no best pleased and later MGW gets his own back with a quip about Walliams being married
    :)) I've just checked the interview starts at 1hr 40 mins .
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm surprised you've not mentioned Tanner, @Wiz. Him popping up in the finale really takes the biscuit.

    You bastard. You really know how to wind me up!! Rather appropriately my mind had completely forgotten the charisma black hole was even in the film.

    Seriously just what is the point of this guy? 3 films in and he just gets three lines of exposition and then serves zero purpose whatsoever every single time. Has he done a single thing in any of his films that has had any bearing on anything at all? Please just put him out of my misery. Its bad enough all MI6 staff seem to be at Bond's personal beck and call (yeah f**k you 009 Bond's nicked your DB10 and anything you need you'll have to sort for yourself because Q has nipped off to Austria) but do we really need to bloat the cast further by having this empty suit tagging along at every juncture. Just quietly pack him off to Dignitas and no one will notice.

    He's been in more films than Naomi, Ben and Ralph but ask anyone leaving the cinema if they can name his character and no one would have a clue. Most people probably didnt even notice he was present half the time.

    Its like Rory just keeps turning up on set and thinks if he keeps his head down no one will notice and they'll just keep paying him.

    Never in the field of the dramatic arts has such a dull, pointless character been portrayed by such an unremarkable actor. Honestly I'd sooner see Smithers or Colthorpe back next time round.


    =))
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Fitzochris wrote: »
    Am I the only one who enjoyed this more than SF?

    SF isnt that great on repeated viewings. It dwells too much on Bond "not being fit" and, a few good overseas segments aside, all that London caper grates. The final scenes in Scotland should have been epic but end up being like a bunch of adults playing Home Alone.

    SP feels like a proper Bond film right through. Only the ending being in London let's it down in that regard.

    Nope you're not the only one. Others, including myself have expressed preference for SP over SF and SF'S a good movie but imo it's overrated and immaculately praised. CR is STILL the best of the Craig era so far.
  • Mrcoggins wrote: »
    pjv wrote: »
    Does anyone have a video of the Barbara.B interview with David Williams - I want to see her reaction
    Best place to find this is on the live screen recording webcast lets just say she's no best pleased and later MGW gets his own back with a quip about Walliams being married
    :))


    BB reaction is priceless. Its all in the eyes...it was on YouTube earlier but is no longer available to watch. Maybe they pulled it because of all the spoilers that the host drops!

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    I don't quite get the aversion to Bond taking place in the UK given that one of Fleming's best early efforts is entirely domestic.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    andmcit wrote: »
    Why not a return for ESB, Himx and Madeline?

    Bond can't just drive off in his Aston into the sunset WITH the girl and not have the rug pulled out from under him!

    He's a really unlucky kinda guy where nice stuff doesn't happen. Still x2 years with Madelone before she lets herself go a bit could make up for the wheels falling off the wagon on the next outing.

    Can't see it being anyone but DC

    It is pure speculation from my part, but I think Hinx might be in a clinic right now, nursing his wounds and getting better. I think we might see more of him, maybe freeing Blofeld from his jail?

    As for Madeleine, how about seeing her breaking up with Bond in Bond 25? Kind of like DAF-FRWL novels with Tiffany Case. And talking of DAF, am I the only one who saw the elements they borrowed from this novel?

    Am I the only one who noticed the guy had 5 barrels attached to his neck with a rope?

    People who try to top themselves by tying a 10 foot rope to a lampost and then driving off usually rip their head off. It really isn't that hard to break a neck so to have him survive would be up there with Jaws landing in the big top for believability.

    Maybe they were empty barrels?
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    Heinekin is a light beer too?
  • Just back from screening - mixed emotions but more hits than misses I think. Will definitely be seeing it again as I suspect it's a grower. However, initial impressions:

    -Craig is bang on - an assured 'veteran' performance like vintage SC - I thought ALL the humour worked and pitched just right without feeling silly or forced
    -I thought Q nearly stole the show in SF - he lights up every scene here and gets quite a bit to do (loved the Alpine bar bit)
    -cracking PTS
    -that's some seriously wacko titles which still don't disguise the lack of tune in Smith's song. On the subject of music, Newman is just doing Mendes a favour isn't he? presumably so Sam's canon feels 'cohesive' - phoning it in.
    -this is more of an ESB origins story which unfortunately gives rises to a limp climax - Waltz is practically screaming 'I'll shall be back with a world conquering plan next time' at the end.
    -I had a real problem with the third act which felt weak but was pretty much engrossed by the film up until then. Didn't notice the excess running time at all
    -loved the Austrian stuff
    -the Rome car chase was more Top Gear-supercar showboating - amazing how Moneypenny rummaging in her fridge can liven up a chase!
    -an actual villain's lair! Loved the 'control room' and I really thought we were escalating into something a bit fantastical at this point
    -Rolls Royce in the desert. Mad dogs and Englishmen
    -beautifully shot
    -Bond's marksmanship is remarkably accurate in this movie
    -limpest set of Bond girls ever. For all the usual press (since..oh.. Dr No) about how it's different this time, we had - in order - 1)eye candy 2)Monica sleepwalking through it and 3) Swann, classic damsel in distress and probably the least interesting since, oh, Stacey in AVTK

    More will no doubt occur to me. As, I said - mixed bag but plenty of good stuff
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    I must of missed something when i saw the film.............coz after Swann got kidnapped at the clinic at the top of the mountain................and then we saw Bond also leave the clinic........and then somehow we next see him in a plane chasing the baddies.........BUT where did he get the plane from............coz i dont remember seeing an airfield at the top of the mountain............please enlighten me..........thanks
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