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  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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    I used Auto Color in PS and came out with this

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    Wow :O Unfortunatelly they won't change this colour grading. Blame Hoyte van Hoytema!!! :D
  • marketto007marketto007 Brazil
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    Amazing! These collection of trailers are already better than DAD.

    The best comment so far. :D
  • Posts: 11,119
    I used Auto Color in PS and came out with this

    NhYUBJO.jpg

    You're just judging frames. You can not possible see at this stage what works better for the entire film.

    It tires me a bit. Analyzing so much of these cinematographical choices. For the very same reason we started peeling off "Skyfall" and a few months later it was a movie with the worst CGI in years.

    I'm not going to be part of it. I let myself indulge in the creative choices of the people who made that film. Moreover, it also makes "SPECTRE.........."SPECTRE", and not "Skyfall" part 2.

    Did anyone actually notice this 1950's mood of old Hitchcock movies in "SPECTRE"? The 'warmth' comes back in every aspect. Not just the cinematography and the color filters. But also the 'sandy' locations in Morocco, the costume choices made by Jany Temime, and Gassner's production design (from M's old office to that Orient Express-esque train).
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited October 2015 Posts: 8,009
    I used Auto Color in PS and came out with this

    NhYUBJO.jpg

    You're just judging frames. You can not possible see at this stage what works better for the entire film.

    It tires me a bit. Analyzing so much of these cinematographical choices. For the very same reason we started peeling off "Skyfall" and a few months later it was a movie with the worst CGI in years.

    I'm not going to be part of it. I let myself indulge in the creative choices of the people who made that film. Moreover, it also makes "SPECTRE.........."SPECTRE", and not "Skyfall" part 2.

    Did anyone actually notice this 1950's mood of old Hitchcock movies in "SPECTRE"? The 'warmth' comes back in every aspect. Not just the cinematography and the color filters. But also the 'sandy' locations in Morocco, the costume choices made by Jany Temime, and Gassner's production design (from M's old office to that Orient Express-esque train).

    This is a forum. Analyzing, nitpicking and talking about things is sort of what the whole thing is based upon.

    And yes, you're right. All of those things are top notch. However the problems arise when the grade dilutes those elements and lessens the effort made to bring them to life.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    For those of you who are curious, the following link is an Imgur album of color-corrected images for the Mexico scenes. As far as I can tell, they're the only ones that are all yellow: thanks, Coldplay ;)

    http://imgur.com/a/kvSHi

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,548
    For those of you who are curious, the following link is an Imgur album of color-corrected images for the Mexico scenes. As far as I can tell, they're the only ones that are all yellow: thanks, Coldplay ;)

    http://imgur.com/a/kvSHi

    FTW
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 5,745
    Reminds me of Casino Royale - I already know I'm going to go in hating the saturation if it is anything similar to the trailers.
  • Posts: 1,310
    For those of you who are curious, the following link is an Imgur album of color-corrected images for the Mexico scenes. As far as I can tell, they're the only ones that are all yellow: thanks, Coldplay ;)

    http://imgur.com/a/kvSHi
    I was growing tiresome of the color grading nitpicking, but after seeing these images (especially when compared to the graded shots in the trailer)...I kind of see where people are coming from.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    I like it. More natural would be nice next time but for the atmosphere its nice here.

    Btw thanks @Property OfALady now I've got that Coldplay song buzzing in my head ...

    Eh could be worse ...could be.. (too easy and tired of talking about that $&%# song anyway)
  • Posts: 498
    mfmcgreal wrote: »
    Following my previous post -- here's a little observation from the second and third trailer, on how the grade is/has been tweaked for a particular scene --

    -- Trailer Two --
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    -- Trailer Three --
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    To my eye, the first grade looks far better -- more balanced and more natural. It's difficult to understand the motivation behind the second grade -- teal highlights just aren't necessary and the shot looks suffocated.

    Sadly, it's doubtful the DI work will be revisited at this stage, but one can only hope it is -- for the opening sequence at least.

    She looks like she has the cold in the second one
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    I've never seen 2 different grades in trailers. Is this thing common?
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Yes due to tweaking at various stages of post production
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Yes due to tweaking at various stages of post production


    Do you have anymore examples of this in movies (Bond or no Bond)?
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 1,263
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Yes due to tweaking at various stages of post production


    Do you have anymore examples of this in movies (Bond or no Bond)?
    It occurred in every Lord of the Rings trailer in comparison to the finished product.

    Similar to Spectre, the color in the trailers was often brighter or more natural. People are overreacting to the different color tones. Additional mood is sometimes an asset, especially since we can expect the shots will mirror the characters emotions in some way.
  • Am I the only one who feels like these trailers reveal too much ? I wish they only did one. It's funny, nowadays they make more trailers to release at different times to keep the public interested. I'm not an expert on human psychology, but personally the less I know the more interested I am.
  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
    Posts: 538
    Am I the only one who feels like these trailers reveal too much ? I wish they only did one. It's funny, nowadays they make more trailers to release at different times to keep the public interested. I'm not an expert on human psychology, but personally the less I know the more interested I am.

    This last one was a little borderline on the spoiler part. I don't really want to know anything else about the movie, plot, characters, cinematography, etc… until showtime.
  • Posts: 498
    Am I the only one who feels like these trailers reveal too much ? I wish they only did one. It's funny, nowadays they make more trailers to release at different times to keep the public interested. I'm not an expert on human psychology, but personally the less I know the more interested I am.

    No they don't ,
    They show only a few new shots and they're well chosen
    The Spectre trailers are far better than the Skyfall one's , those revealed a lot

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Skyfail wrote: »
    Am I the only one who feels like these trailers reveal too much ? I wish they only did one. It's funny, nowadays they make more trailers to release at different times to keep the public interested. I'm not an expert on human psychology, but personally the less I know the more interested I am.

    No they don't ,
    They show only a few new shots and they're well chosen
    The Spectre trailers are far better than the Skyfall one's , those revealed a lot

    Agreed. SP has done a great job in not really giving anything away. From the trailers all that's revealed is Bond is looking to take down Waltz character who is a member of the SP organisation and it looks incredibly exciting. Nothing is revealed or spoiled regarding specifics and particulars of the plot.

  • Posts: 498
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Skyfail wrote: »
    Am I the only one who feels like these trailers reveal too much ? I wish they only did one. It's funny, nowadays they make more trailers to release at different times to keep the public interested. I'm not an expert on human psychology, but personally the less I know the more interested I am.

    No they don't ,
    They show only a few new shots and they're well chosen
    The Spectre trailers are far better than the Skyfall one's , those revealed a lot

    Agreed. SP has done a great job in not really giving anything away. From the trailers all that's revealed is Bond is looking to take down Waltz character who is a member of the SP organisation and it looks incredibly exciting. Nothing is revealed or spoiled regarding specifics and particulars of the plot.

    Exactly
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    For those of you who are curious, the following link is an Imgur album of color-corrected images for the Mexico scenes. As far as I can tell, they're the only ones that are all yellow: thanks, Coldplay ;)

    http://imgur.com/a/kvSHi

    Already better. It's my only bugbear thus far. Really, really don't get it. The still of Bond on running on the rooftops on 007.com looks far, far better than the overly graded version in the trailer. Had a few beers with a DOP mate of mine last night and he wasn't overly impressed. We both agreed the first trailer was promising, but these last couple highlight some very odd choices with the palette. Once we're into the film I'm sure it will become less obvious, but as it is I don't rate it, which is a shame because HVH is great.
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    Posts: 1,329
    RC7 wrote: »
    For those of you who are curious, the following link is an Imgur album of color-corrected images for the Mexico scenes. As far as I can tell, they're the only ones that are all yellow: thanks, Coldplay ;)

    http://imgur.com/a/kvSHi

    Already better. It's my only bugbear thus far. Really, really don't get it. The still of Bond on running on the rooftops on 007.com looks far, far better than the overly graded version in the trailer. Had a few beers with a DOP mate of mine last night and he wasn't overly impressed. We both agreed the first trailer was promising, but these last couple highlight some very odd choices with the palette. Once we're into the film I'm sure it will become less obvious, but as it is I don't rate it, which is a shame because HVH is great.

    yeah I don't think it will be as noticeable on a huge Imax screen the yellowish hue but that's an untrained eye saying that. Time will tell but I still expect all the scenes to look lovely.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    DCisared wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    For those of you who are curious, the following link is an Imgur album of color-corrected images for the Mexico scenes. As far as I can tell, they're the only ones that are all yellow: thanks, Coldplay ;)

    http://imgur.com/a/kvSHi

    Already better. It's my only bugbear thus far. Really, really don't get it. The still of Bond on running on the rooftops on 007.com looks far, far better than the overly graded version in the trailer. Had a few beers with a DOP mate of mine last night and he wasn't overly impressed. We both agreed the first trailer was promising, but these last couple highlight some very odd choices with the palette. Once we're into the film I'm sure it will become less obvious, but as it is I don't rate it, which is a shame because HVH is great.

    yeah I don't think it will be as noticeable on a huge Imax screen the yellowish hue but that's an untrained eye saying that. Time will tell but I still expect all the scenes to look lovely.

    I do too and the actually shots look awesome.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited October 2015 Posts: 4,416
    Look like the movie get his own sinking house version, with a bit DAD ice scene on the corner. It is shame the runed Waltz again, there should have stick with mystery of the beginning. mfmcgreal what you said i also notice with Waltz his face and helicopter scene. So mabey there deside to at Skyfall filter over on the last moment, what is a bit of shame. But it also can thing of trailer. Skyfall whas more cold, whyle CR whas more violence.

    That shot from big ben remember me a bit to 28 days later and i like the two QOS releated shots. One with remember to Sam Mendes Road To perdition and Bond with glases/time on the wall. Finaly we see some pipeline what remember me to Chili from QOS (I bett there be some hot water in those pipelines) and Island from Skyfall (Bond, villian, Bond girl and 2 henchman...)
  • Do you have anymore examples of this in movies (Bond or no Bond)?

    Skyfall's grade differed from the teaser trailer to the final piece, all be it, subtly.

    -- Teaser Trailer --

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    -- Final Film --

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    The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (US Version) is the most evident example that springs to mind. Every single shot in the first teaser trailer is graded extensively differently in the second trailer/final film. The reason grade's differ from the trailer to the final piece is, usually, because the DoP isn't present for the DI work on the trailer, since this is undertaken whilst production is still shooting.

    Regardless, all this is almost irrelevant since the DI work for Spectre would have been long completed, so what we see in the final trailer, is 99.9% likely, what we'll see in three weeks time. I have no doubts the Mexico grade will work better on the big screen than it does in the trailer either. It receives no favours in the trailer, being cut side by side with differently graded scenes. However, on the big screen, in one big sequence, it should work. Once the sequence begins and audiences digest two or three shots graded that way, they'll take it for what it is, and soon become lost in the action.



  • At first, I thought that Mexico DF pictures were too graded (yellowish to brownish). However, in my opinion, the "standard pictures" you have shown seem to be a bit cold for what Mexico City represents.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    Posts: 251
    Maybe trailers for TV need a different tone because they are aired?
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    At first, I thought that Mexico DF pictures were too graded (yellowish to brownish). However, in my opinion, the "standard pictures" you have shown seem to be a bit cold for what Mexico City represents.

    Exactly. I found the less graded city pics too cold also. Not as atmospheric as the graded ones, which seems to be the point. Since its gonna be one piece before the PTS, it won't be interrupted by less graded scenes, which makes it hamnonic in itsself.
    Wherther you like it as a whole is another question though. Some will, some won't.

  • Posts: 820
    For all of you, the final full (IMAX) theatrical trailer in screenshots. Be stunned. Be awed. Your jaws will drop.
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    Can someone help me out here? I hope that he carrying his Walter Classic PPK I hope. I see the gun. But in IMFDB post I got there in minute to write something.
    This final Trailer is great. I like it.
  • SkyfallCraigSkyfallCraig Rome, Italy
    Posts: 630
    It will be like Skyfall's Scotland grade. I think it will work out well.
    HvH is building a movie based on grades, like a lot of DoP do.
    Messico will be yellow exactly in the same way in which Scotland was Orange
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    Posts: 251
    It will be like Skyfall's Scotland grade. I think it will work out well.
    HvH is building a movie based on grades, like a lot of DoP do.
    Messico will be yellow exactly in the same way in which Scotland was Orange

    I'm not a big fan of these concepts. But I guess that`s the way they design movies these days.
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