Would Goldeneye have been a success with Dalton?

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  • Posts: 11,425
    Had Dalton done a third, I think it's fair to assume that EON would have returned to the more established formula - something more lighthearted. Dalton himself said that if it had been down to him this would have been the direction he'd would have liked to have gone in.
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    It's definitley got a lot do with timing, maybe Bond was starting to seem a bit old hat by the time LTK came round, there had been a film every two years from TSWLM up to LTK. Maybe Timbo was a factor also, who knows!

    CR had a longer than average gap between films and obviouly the Craig controversy gave a lot of publicity as well as the stories about Brozzer being dumped.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Well Craig owes them nincompoops of Craigisnotbond.com some thanks for all their idiocy and giving him more cover than EON could have ever given him.

    It must sting them having helped giving Craig so much free advertising and then discover that it gave CR a very high curiosty factor.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    SaintMark wrote:
    Well Craig owes them nincompoops of Craigisnotbond.com some thanks for all their idiocy and giving him more cover than EON could have ever given him.

    It must sting them having helped giving Craig so much free advertising and then discover that it gave CR a very high curiosty factor.

    Who were those people? I got the impression it was one lone moron with too much time on their hands setting up a website. Then the media got wind of it and blew it up out of all proportion.

    I was very happy with Craig being cast right from the start. I thought he was quite an inspired choice and not what I'd been expecting at all from the EON that had stood by 4 progressively more awful entries from Brosnan. It immediately also signalled that they wanted to get back to quality over tired pastiche.

    My only moment of doubt was when Craig took that boat ride up the Thames with a life jacket on, looking like a total muppet. But it was probably better than Brozza's beardy-weirdy unveiling before GE. Funny that Brozza's tenure was topped and tailed by beardyness.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Based on the Rumors of Dalton's third film, It sounds like it could have been even worse than Die Another Day.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_intro.php3
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Murdock wrote:
    Based on the Rumors of Dalton's third film, It sounds like it could have been even worse than Die Another Day.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_intro.php3

    Really? Dalton's Bond fighting androids, sounds better than the last 3 films.

    I don't believe that the android fighting would have made it to the shooting script, or even the film. Like the Elephant stampede in The Man With The Golden Gun or Dr No being played by a monkey, someone would have nixed the idea sooner or later.
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    Murdock wrote:
    Based on the Rumors of Dalton's third film, It sounds like it could have been even worse than Die Another Day.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_intro.php3

    Really? Dalton's Bond fighting androids, sounds better than the last 3 films.

    I don't believe that the android fighting would have made it to the shooting script, or even the film. Like the Elephant stampede in The Man With The Golden Gun or Dr No being played by a monkey, someone would have nixed the idea sooner or later.

    Agreed,i'm not sure Dalton or Hopkins would have wanted a film like that.

  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,189
    barryt007 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Based on the Rumors of Dalton's third film, It sounds like it could have been even worse than Die Another Day.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_intro.php3

    Really? Dalton's Bond fighting androids, sounds better than the last 3 films.

    I don't believe that the android fighting would have made it to the shooting script, or even the film. Like the Elephant stampede in The Man With The Golden Gun or Dr No being played by a monkey, someone would have nixed the idea sooner or later.

    Agreed,i'm not sure Dalton or Hopkins would have wanted a film like that.

    This is what Dalton would have said to Cubby about the script:

    "This err plot to kill androids sounds rather far fetched sir"
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,894
    BAIN123 wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Based on the Rumors of Dalton's third film, It sounds like it could have been even worse than Die Another Day.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_intro.php3

    Really? Dalton's Bond fighting androids, sounds better than the last 3 films.

    I don't believe that the android fighting would have made it to the shooting script, or even the film. Like the Elephant stampede in The Man With The Golden Gun or Dr No being played by a monkey, someone would have nixed the idea sooner or later.

    Agreed,i'm not sure Dalton or Hopkins would have wanted a film like that.

    This is what Dalton would have said to Cubby about the script:

    "This err plot about androids sounds rather far fetched sir"

    :))

    To which he followed up with...

    "The choice of enemy in the screenplay was questionable, so I took the liberty of choosing something else."
  • Posts: 19,339
    Added on :

    "I know Anthony Hopkins,he's tough and resourseful,but i cant believe he's an android"
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,894
    barryt007 wrote:
    Added on :

    "I know Anthony Hopkins,he's tough and resourseful,but i cant believe he's an android"

    Post of the month, right there.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,189
    "No...sir. If it has to be done, I'd rather not do it" (walks out of Cubby's office)

    I can't beat Barry's post.
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    barryt007 wrote:
    Added on :

    "I know Anthony Hopkins,he's tough and resourseful,but i cant believe he's an android"

    "I'm posing as Hopkins' friend to see what LEADS I can get from her".

    :D
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    And the Bond girl could be called Ursula Android. Nice 30th anniversary nod to <i>Dr. No.</i>
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 4,813
    Lol I remember making this a couple years ago. I admit I'm curious as to just where they were going with such a story!

    http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/2657/would-you-forgo-the-brosnan-era-to-add-to-the-dalton-era/p1

    Untitled-1-4.jpg

  • Posts: 11,425
    Really? Dalton's third was supposed to be about Androids? Blimey. May be GE wasn't so bad after all.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,330
    Yes it is all rather peculiar. Here's more info and rumors surrounding Dalton's Third film.

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_17_elements.php3

    http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/movies/bond17.php3

  • Posts: 11,425
    It doesn't sound quite so bad as described here.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,330
    Sounds more like a Mission: Impossible movie.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Murdock wrote:
    Sounds more like a Mission: Impossible movie.

    Sounds like a first draft. So yes, an MI movie.
  • Bond vs. androids, huh?
    I supposed all the shoot out finales we in the Bond films were all androids...so no real people were killed... :-))

    I wouldn't doubt it somewhere down the line the Bond films would get redubbed and re-edited to tone down the violence:

    "Tiger! It seems your android ninjas did it! They defeated Blofeld's android army!"
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,524
    Scripts can change dramatically from one draft to another.
    The first couple of scripts for OHMSS had Bond locked up in a cage with a monkey. It got dropped right in time. ;-)
    So I'm not sure that Dalton's third film would have been exactly what we now know about it.
  • Posts: 11,425
    All we know for sure is that with Dalton in it, it would have been a classic.

    ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,524
    Can't disagree with that, @Getafix! :-)

    Dalton was in control of the part from the very first minute. Unlike Connery and Moore, who needed some time to blossom as Bond, Dalton got away with it instantaneously. I can only dream about his GF or TSWLM. His confidence, posture and charm were unfortunately wasted by curiously inefficient studio executives and of course the ever unsatisfied wrath of one Kevin McClory.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Can't disagree with that, @Getafix! :-)

    Dalton was in control of the part from the very first minute. Unlike Connery and Moore, who needed some time to blossom as Bond, Dalton got away with it instantaneously. I can only dream about his GF or TSWLM. His confidence, posture and charm were unfortunately wasted by curiously inefficient studio executives and of course the ever unsatisfied wrath of one Kevin McClory.

    Totally agree. As I've said before, Tim nailed it from his first moment on screen.

    A tragic period in the history of the series. Just as things were getting really interesting again we were denied a third and even fourth movie from one of the best actors to tackle the role. A sad loss.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Getafix wrote:

    Totally agree. As I've said before, Tim nailed it from his first moment on screen.

    In that case Sean Ubernailed it as his entrance and James Bond in DN is in my humble view never been surpassed only by himself in the next one FRWL.

    Tim was just a failed attempt in steering the franchise in a new direction, and even a third movie by TD would not have changed the outcome namely that TD did not work in the then most important BO location, the US.

  • Posts: 1,595
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Can't disagree with that, @Getafix! :-)

    Dalton was in control of the part from the very first minute. Unlike Connery and Moore, who needed some time to blossom as Bond, Dalton got away with it instantaneously. I can only dream about his GF or TSWLM. His confidence, posture and charm were unfortunately wasted by curiously inefficient studio executives and of course the ever unsatisfied wrath of one Kevin McClory.

    As far as I'm concerned Connery needed no time at all. Are people forgetting the casino scene? Right from the beginning of Dr. No Connery was already 100% Bond.
  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    You are right - I was just responding to the comment about Tim nailing it.

    I also think Connery was pretty much perfect from day one. Scratch that. His performance in Dr No was perfect. And he was simply the best of the lot.

    Moore did not hit his stride until Spy, IMO.

    But of all the post Connery actors I believe Dalton was the one who took the least time to convincingly define his Bond.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Getafix wrote:
    You are right - I was just responding to the comment about Tim nailing it.

    I also think Connery was pretty much perfect from day one. Scratch that. His performance in Dr No was perfect. And he was simply the best of the lot.

    Moore did not hit his stride until Spy, IMO.

    agreed with Connery & Moore. :!!
  • Posts: 6,396
    For once I disagree with @DarthDimi. Connery had it nailed from the word go. Rog needed to find his own identity though and that wasn't until TSWLM.
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