Would Goldeneye have been a success with Dalton?

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  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    Part of Tim's downfall was perhaps his failure to win over the US. It's a shame - these days it is obviously far less important how popular you are there.

    But ultimately I'm not sure it was his own personal popularity derailed him - it was legal wranglings and a genuine belief that he no longer wanted to play the role/was too old. His own story has it that EON wanted him to take a 3 picture contract at the time of GE - something he was not prepared to do, and so walked away.
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    I always understood that Tim walked out when the studio did not want him for a third, him being friends with the Broccoli's made it thus easy for them. The studio wanted Brosnan and got him.

    Indeed today the US market is no longer a decider for the movie market, currently loads of movies are premiered outside of the US and do actually make more money than inside of the US. The best example was recently Captain America.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Look guys, I think Connery was splendid in DN but surely we can agree that he got better in FRWL and GF. Just watch the scene where he, Leiter and Quarrel talk about Crab Key and Doctor No. Connery still had a few unrefined moments there. His acting became superb in 1963, the year in which he did FRWL and Marnie. I praise Sean Connery; he will always be THE James Bond.
  • Posts: 7,653
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Look guys, I think Connery was splendid in DN but surely we can agree that he got better in FRWL and GF. Just watch the scene where he, Leiter and Quarrel talk about Crab Key and Doctor No. Connery still had a few unrefined moments there. His acting became superb in 1963, the year in which he did FRWL and Marnie. I praise Sean Connery; he will always be THE James Bond.

    Agreed

  • edited April 2014 Posts: 11,425
    DarthDimi wrote:
    Look guys, I think Connery was splendid in DN but surely we can agree that he got better in FRWL and GF. Just watch the scene where he, Leiter and Quarrel talk about Crab Key and Doctor No. Connery still had a few unrefined moments there. His acting became superb in 1963, the year in which he did FRWL and Marnie. I praise Sean Connery; he will always be THE James Bond.

    He is a little rough around the edges in Dr No. But it's part of the charm of the movie. As the first in the series it seems appropriate that Bond is not quite fully there yet. There is something quite nasty and aggressive about Sean in parts of Dr No which actually adds a real edge to the film. The downside of the fully rounded Sean was that the character becomes progressively more polished until it becomes self parody and the magic is lost - DAF.

    But overall when I watch Dr No I just think what an incredible achievement it is. Pretty much everything one associates with the Bond world is there, in that one film, right from the start. Astonishing and for me at least, still highly entertaining.

    FRWL and GF are of course amazing performances - more precise and polished.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I would say the following :

    Connery: Good from the very beginning
    Moore : Improved from TSWLM
    Dalton: Improved from about half way through TLD
    Brosnan : Improved from TND
    Craig : Good from the very beginning.

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    barryt007 wrote:
    I would say the following :

    Connery: Good from the very beginning
    Moore : Improved from TSWLM
    Dalton: Improved from about half way through TLD
    Brosnan : Improved from TND
    Craig : Good from the very beginning.

    I'd say the first half of TND is where Dalton really shines - not that he's bad in the second half.
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    Personally I think his best scene in TLD is in the hotel room. I love how he throws the girl her torn dress and tells her to "get in the bathroom and lock the door". He may be a ruthless killer but he's still got some humanity and isn't going to let an innocent, scared woman watch this nasty deed.
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    Getafix wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    I would say the following :

    Connery: Good from the very beginning
    Moore : Improved from TSWLM
    Dalton: Improved from about half way through TLD
    Brosnan : Improved from TND
    Craig : Good from the very beginning.

    I'd say the first half of TND is where Dalton really shines - not that he's bad in the second half.

    Dalton was in TND ? ...now that would have been interesting !

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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Personally I think his best scene in TLD is in the hotel room. I love how he throws the girl her torn dress and tells her to "get in the bathroom and lock the door". He may be a ruthless killer but he's still got some humanity and isn't going to let an innocent, scared woman watch this nasty deed.

    I think it's as much that he needs her out of the way while I carries out his interrogation and execution. His alternative was to knock her unconscious or shoot her - more Sean's style, perhaps...

    I personally love the opening scenes of TLD. The bit in Prague is excellent - don't think any one could have done it better.
  • Posts: 11,425
    barryt007 wrote:
    Getafix wrote:
    barryt007 wrote:
    I would say the following :

    Connery: Good from the very beginning
    Moore : Improved from TSWLM
    Dalton: Improved from about half way through TLD
    Brosnan : Improved from TND
    Craig : Good from the very beginning.

    I'd say the first half of TND is where Dalton really shines - not that he's bad in the second half.

    Dalton was in TND ? ...now that would have been interesting !

    That would have been an amazing!

    Like Sean returning to do DAF, but better.
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    hahaha exactly !!
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 11,425
    One can only dream... I might add TND to the title thread to add a new perspective!
  • Posts: 19,339
    It certainly would..

    It would have been interesting to see Tim in a more 'action-packed' Bond film..which GE was going to be.

    I really think it might have been his best film if he had the chance.
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 11,425
    There - speculate away!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Or Pierce Brosnan returning for Quantum of Solace.Haha, can you imagine it?
  • Posts: 19,339
    I dont mind Brosnan as Bond,but in QOS ? ..that would be woefully bad.
  • Posts: 11,425
    TND is my 'favourite' Brosnan movie, so can only imagine it would have been still better with the Daltonator.

    Although TND is perhaps more frenetic than GE I'm not sure the action is terribly good. The stunts in TLD are still far superior.
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    Thats because they actually used stuntmen all the time in those days,and Tim did his own stunts as well,unlike the CGI mad Brosnan era.
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 11,425
    barryt007 wrote:
    Thats because they actually used stuntmen all the time in those days,and Tim did his own stunts as well,unlike the CGI mad Brosnan era.

    I don't remember CGI being particularly evident before DAD.

    I do think the major 'stunts' in the Brosnan films often tended to be totally unrealistic though - a big departure from the Bond tradition. I'm thinking of the plane sequence at the start of GE, which always just looked totally implausible to me (is it remotely possible within the laws of physics that Bond could have even caught up with the falling plane?) and the helicopter stunt in TND, which apparently is also impossible - the chopper would have fallen to the ground had it been flown at this angle in reality. A shame really, given the heritage of the series. And DAD obviously doesn't bear mentioning - was ANYTHING real in that movie stunt wise?

    The DC era has definitely seen a major improvement on this front. Although I have a bit of a bug bear about the sky diving in QoS and the fall from the bridge in Skyfall. CGI'd to a large degree and both almost equally implausible for different reasons.
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 19,339
    In TND the helicopter scene apparantly is totally CGI.....as is most of the fight at the caviar factory in TWINE,and of course the plane scene in GE...

    And dont get me started on the bloody sky dive in QOS....i have to fast-forward through that as it annoys me so much haha !
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Dalton cemented his 007 greatness in his confrontation with Pushkin. On your knees, general.

    Add to that the extra spice that Barry delivers, and you have James Bond at large.
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    Dalton cemented his 007 greatness in his confrontation with Pushkin. On your knees, general.

    Add to that the extra spice that Barry delivers, and you have James Bond at large
    .

    Why thanks DD !!! ;)

  • Posts: 11,425
    barryt007 wrote:
    In TND the helicopter scene apparantly is totally CGI.....as is most of the fight at the caviar factory in TWINE,and of course the plane scene in GE...

    And dont get me started on the bloody sky dive in QOS....i have to fast-forward through that as it annoys me so much haha !

    I thought the GE stuff was models and blue screen?
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    Search me...maybe someone else knows..im not very technical haha ;)
  • edited May 2014 Posts: 11,425
    I'm pretty sure of that. DAD marked the real arrival of CGI in Bond. Just wish they'd learnt their lesson and left it out completely after that. One of the main problems with CGI is that it often looks inherently fake and that it encourages directors to introduce implausible stunt sequences (that aren't really stunts any way) such as Jinx's dive off the battlements in DAD.
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    Getafix wrote:
    I'm pretty sure of that. DAD marked the real arrival of CGI in Bond. Just wish they'd learnt their lesson and left it out after that.

    That Tsunami scene was embarrasing ....had me squirming in my seat with total shock that they even thought that would be ok to be in a Bond film.

    Total lack of respect for Bond fans and cinema/DVD/TV viewers generally.
  • RC7RC7
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    barryt007 wrote:
    In TND the helicopter scene apparantly is totally CGI.....as is most of the fight at the caviar factory in TWINE,and of course the plane scene in GE...

    And dont get me started on the bloody sky dive in QOS....i have to fast-forward through that as it annoys me so much haha !

    The Helicopter scene in TND is not all CGI, it's a standard mix of model work, genuine stunt work and some minimal use of CGI - particularly to add rotor blades - which is incidentally similar to the set up for the Caviar factory. I wouldn't call these scenes CGI heavy.
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    Hahaha post of the day @PalkoPalko !!!
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