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    What about Colonel Sun Locations could be Greece Hong Kong and New York?
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    Maybe a little off-topic, but I've heard a lot of talk about doing an OHMSS remake with Craig. I really hope they don't; the original Lazenby film is special to me, and I don't think it should be messed with.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    FoxRox wrote:
    Maybe a little off-topic, but I've heard a lot of talk about doing an OHMSS remake with Craig. I really hope they don't; the original Lazenby film is special to me, and I don't think it should be messed with.

    Relax, that will not happen.
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    RC7 wrote:
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Matt_Helm wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    But with two possible groups to use - an old one and an unfinished one - why introduce a third that they might not even see through to the end? We don't know if there's a head of Quantum, and if so, he/she hasn't been brought down, Mr. White and Guy Haines (and countless others) are still out there plotting, I'm sure, as they have people everywhere. I would love to at least see it wrapped up. Feels quite unfinished to me.

    It doesn't bother me. Quantum don't strike me as a threat than can be completely neutralised. Cut down one operative and two spring up in their place. There's nothing to say Haines and White weren't rounded up following the events of QoS. As it stands I don't think the loose ends are reason enough to warrant their return.

    to my mind ,when it comes to slightly over the top stories - to evoke slightly over the top fears and emotions - organizations "that have people everywhere "are the way to go (as proven by countless Ludlum novels). An all present menace, many a beautiful lady in danger to be saved (and doubleosevened in the process ) and a hero given the opportunity to be heroic. I am quite surprised. For a Bond fan you show a remarkable lack of imagination.

    I'm not averse to the concept of Quantum, I'm merely stating that I'd rather something fresh. Bond movies work best as standalone films and I feel the omnipotent presence of Quantum is more suited to a television series, where they can be adequately constructed and deconstructed over a period of time. They will inevitably be wasted if they are restricted to one film every couple of years. So, no, not a lack of imagination. As someone who writes for television these are the kind of narrative considerations to bear in mind, but I guess you'd know that.

    I dare say I know about just anything, that constitutes a great story (or even a good one for that matter - let alone the bad ones). That's why I was able to call Skyfalls script a truckload of crap from day one (and never had to falter). Talking about omnipotent organizations,there is a rumor going around that the Bond movies have made good experiences with them before,even that there is something "Flemingnesque" about them. Just thought I mention it.

    If your critiques of SF are anything to go by, you know very little about screenwriting. Especially how unbelievably difficult it is to put together a good one, never mind a great one. I've also criticised the screenplay of SF, namely its inherent logical flaws and inconsistencies. But its human story is unmistakably poignant and a lot of the dialogue is as good as anything in the canon. Given the amount of external pressure exerted on a franchise film such as SF, it did pretty well to maintain a level of authorship.

    Even if I would buy the premise (which I don't ) that Skyfall is a dialogue fest, I would still argue that it should be possible to deliver both. Countless excellent movies have proven that point. To my mind it's talent, that makes all the difference in the world, but that's just me of course.
    Before I get so the usual " you just want to hate" attack let me say that there are two lines I consider good in Skyfall :"hard to know when you are in your pajamas" and "well,somebody usually dies". This plus Silva "flirting" with Bond I consider original - apart from "what makes you think this is my first time", which I don't find fitting for Bond,James Bond.To me that is gay John Logan writing,not Flemings creation speaking. And since I knew you you would ask - no I don't mind gay people at all. It always has been my opinion, that's (at the very least) they are one competition less in this sexual jungle out there!)
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    Matt_Helm wrote:
    Even if I would buy the premise (which I don't ) that Skyfall is a dialogue fest, I would still argue that it should be possible to deliver both. Countless excellent movies have proven that point. To my mind it's talent, that makes all the difference in the world, but that's just me of course.
    Before I get so the usual " you just want to hate" attack let me say that there are two lines I consider good in Skyfall :"hard to know when you are in your pajamas" and "well,somebody usually dies". This plus Silva "flirting" with Bond I consider original - apart from "what makes you think this is my first time", which I don't find fitting for Bond,James Bond.To me that is gay John Logan writing,not Flemings creation speaking. And since I knew you you would ask - no I don't mind gay people at all. It always has been my opinion, that's (at the very least) they are one competition less in this sexual jungle out there!)

    On the delivering 'both', obviously I agree. I've stated such many times previously. But, as I pointed out above, it's an incredibly difficult balancing act and while I had misgivings originally, I don't see the point in labouring over it. There's much to like. The endless platitudes prior to release had given me a false sense of hope, but there's not much to be gained if one is still aggravated by it. I just maintain a positive outlook on B24 and hope they address issues people had with SF.

    As for the 'What makes you think this is my first time', line. I think we've been round the houses on this before and, no, I don't assume someone is homophobic for disliking it. No, it's not Fleming's Bond, but then Fleming's Bond existed in the fifties. The James Bond of 2012 is a man who knows how to play by new rules and won't be swayed into acting like an alpha male of the fifties when talk of homosexuality comes up. There are still blokes to whom talk of homosexual innuendo is red rag to a bull. Bond is a class act and deflected Silva's advances with the wit I would expect of the modern James Bond.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    This is something small that just came to mind, but I would love to see Craig infiltrate a base/HQ/enemy territory in a combat outfit, much like the one Dalton wore in the PTS of TLD or Brosnan wore in the PTS of GE. Craig can dress down every now and then, throw on something like that, and go to work.
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    For Bond 24, my wish list is simple yet oddly specific (hardly a unique trait among Bond fans, I'm sure!):

    1. I'd like to see Quantum given some kind of resolution. A while back I came across someone's idea of Quantum getting dismantled by SPECTRE just as Bond is about to do so himself, which would be rather neat.

    2. A little more energy. Skyfall was great, but both Casino Royale and QoS moved faster and had energy to the action scenes. Of course, this quality was present to a fault in QoS, but I think a happy medium can be achieved. Skyfall had exciting moments, but in terms of shooting the action, I think they can have a little more energy.

    3. Less M. Much, much less M.

    4. Depeche Mode should handle the title song - something dark, sexy and electronic would be a nice contrast to the themes used so far.

    5. Speaking of music, bring back David Arnold or choose someone a little more experimental to handle the scoring duties. QoS was David Arnold's best and most varied Bond score, so I'd love to have him back to keep pushing forward.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Belmont, welcome to the forums!

    1.) That's all I want, really: instead of bringing back just SPECTRE or introducing a new group entirely, just give Quantum a resolution. Maybe not this film or the one after, but eventually, give them a closure before introducing another group, unless they want to do it like that idea: SPECTRE dismantles them before Bond gets to.

    2.) Agreed. Honestly, the action sequences were probably some of my least favorite parts of SF. They lacked energy and didn't get me pumped and excited like the parkour scene in CR did or the hotel fight scene in QoS did.

    3.) I doubt that'll happen, as Fiennes is looking to "get back into the field as M" again, thanks to a new interview. Of course, it could just be like the older films where M is on location with Bond giving him his orders, but somehow, a part of me fears that both he and MP will be in the field fighting alongside Bond in some way, though I hope I'm wrong.

    4.) I can't agree or disagree as I haven't listened to Depeche Mode in many, many years.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Belmont wrote:
    4. Depeche Mode should handle the title song - something dark, sexy and electronic would be a nice contrast to the themes used so far.
    I like you. Welcome, friend.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    QBranch wrote:
    Belmont wrote:
    4. Depeche Mode should handle the title song - something dark, sexy and electronic would be a nice contrast to the themes used so far.
    I like you. Welcome, friend.

    Same here! Did you know they were offered TWINE, but declined? Too bad. Not that I think the Garbage song is garbage, but DM would have been awesome.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    @Thunderfinger I didn't know that- what a missed opportunity. I love early '90s Garbage, and don't mind the TWINE theme, but Depeche could've done something more unique, IMO.
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    I wouldn't care if Quantum were never mentioned again. They didn't make much of an impact in QOS and as it stands they just seem like a poor mans SPECTRE to me.

    And what loose ends are there really? Guy Haines? He could've easily been captured (they even filmed an ending where he was), and the actor is best known for being in Friday Night Dinner with Simon Bird. Nothing against the bloke but would EON really hire him after they got a cast of Oscar winners for Skyfall?

    Who else, Mr White? Again in the cut ending of QOS he was captured so there's no reason to believe that they couldn't have got him in the four years between QOS and Skyfall. And again, why would EON bring him back after they just had Javier Bardem playing the villain? I'm expecting more big names for Bond 24.

    I doubt we'll be hearing from Quantum again. Didn't Mendes say that he'd decided to return because of this great story Logan had? I doubt the story they want to tell is a continuation of the villains from what most people* think is one of the weaker Bond films. Mendes might not do Bond 25 but Logan is. By the time Logan's gone, it will have been at least 9 years since QOS (and after the gaps between films we've had since QOS, I'm expecting it to be even longer). Assuming Logan doesn't bring them back, will EON decide to bring them back when Logan leaves, nearly 10 years after they were last seen? I doubt it.

    *And that's the problem really. Most people. Is there anyone else outside of a James Bond fansite who are demanding that Guy Haines returns? Were the masses up in arms when Quantum didn't even get a mention in Skyfall? No. I know that a lot of members on here think QOS is an underrated masterpiece but the most popular opinion seems to be that CR and SF were great while QOS was a confusing let down. After the incredible success of SF, I doubt EON will decide to continue Quantum's story.

    I could be wrong about this but I don't think we'll ever see Quantum again. I could see them getting a mention but not another film.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Well I don't count the alternate ending of QoS at all. If it wasn't in the final film and nearly none of us have seen it, it doesn't count. Mr. White, Guy Haines, the others who escaped at Tosca, and the many more that are part of Quantum (they have people everywhere), along with a possible head of Quantum. I just want a resolution before anyone else is brought on board. Plus, how do we know there's a four year difference between QoS and SF? That's not confirmed, and granted, they could've been captured between the events like you said, but I would at least like to see a better resolution than some throwaway line.

    Sadly, though, you're probably right. After SF and with them talking up how great the villain will be in B24, I doubt they'll want to return to something last mentioned in QoS, which overall didn't get outstanding reviews like SF did. I would just hate the prospect of men like Haines, White, etc. still existing and we never, ever hear from them again. If the best they can give us is a throwaway line, then fine, I could take that. Just something would be nice. There might not be anyone else who is bothered by it, but I want to see closure on it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I don't need a full movie to see Quantum's end. Just put it in a PTS or something. And I'm not bothered with Haines. It's Mister White who needs to meet his end. Quantum needs something whether it be a PTS ending or mentioned by M during a briefing for his next mission.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Murdock, that's what I'm talking about. I want more than a throwaway line, but I don't need another film dedicated entirely to the demise of Quantum.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @Creasy47, as do I. Or they could make it like FRWL or Thunderball where it's mildly centered around them but either Mister White or another Quantum agent. (Good chance to use some unused Fleming villains in this department.) Is either planning a very deadly to the world weapon or are using Haines to influence MI6 to get something similar to the Lektor. Quantum can be put to good use.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    in the four years between QOS and Skyfall.
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Plus, how do we know there's a four year difference between QoS and SF?

    According to the video tapes in Casino Royale, the movie is set in November 2006. Since QoS picked up a couple of hours after Casino Royale, QoS is presumably set in late 2006/early 2007.
    Still, is there any evidence in Skyfall that the movie took place in 2012? It could easily take place in 2008 or in 2014, as far as we know.
    Creasy47 is right, how do we know there's a four year difference?
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    @thelivingroyale-About the casting, I don't see the problem. Guy Haines and Mr White were played by unknown, so what? In Sjyfall, was Patrice played by an A list actor? Was Séverine? Eve? How about Silva's henchmen, or the female minister? Nobody thinks Haines or White are or should be the main villains, should Quantum return. They could easily hire an A list actor to play their leader (not that I think it is an obligation, many unknown or semi-famous veterans could do just as well). As for the impact the organization made on QOS, I take YOLT as an example: if it made an impact, it was to turn Blofeld into a pantomime villain. In spite of a serious drop in quality and a very unfaithful adaptation of Fleming's novel, they got things right with Blofeld in OHMSS.
    Murdock wrote:
    @Creasy47, as do I. Or they could make it like FRWL or Thunderball where it's mildly centered around them but either Mister White or another Quantum agent. (Good chance to use some unused Fleming villains in this department.) Is either planning a very deadly to the world weapon or are using Haines to influence MI6 to get something similar to the Lektor. Quantum can be put to good use.

    General G, Hammerstein, the Spangs?

    As for Guy Haines, he should be now persona non grata in the UK and on the run, if he is alive, after the events of QOS.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Walecs, we've gone over that many times (the CR to QoS time jump) thanks to the fundraiser invitation year in QoS (which most regard as a goof) and just how long it took Bond from talking to M on the phone after Vesper's death to finding Mr. White.
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    Ludovico wrote:
    Eve?

    Naomi Harris was a pretty big name yeah, but I see your point here.
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    Ludovico wrote:
    Eve?

    Naomi Harris was a pretty big name yeah, but I see your point here.

    Really? In the UK, maybe, but not really a big star. Nowhere near, say, Halle Berry. I am not even sure SF had so big names compared to AVTAK at the time. Javier Bardem is famous, certainly, but he is not Anglo-Saxon and not quite a Hollywood star. Ralph Fiennes is famous too, but still not quite like Tom Cruise, or Harrison Ford, or Alec Baldwin (off the top of my head). Of course, fame is a relative term. But I would imagine a villain for Bond 24 who either has their kind of fame, without being too big (and expensive) stars, or a more obscure actor like in CR and QOS (however this scenario is more unlikely).
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    Walecs wrote:
    Creasy47 is right, how do we know there's a four year difference?

    In Skyfall there was a bottle of 1962 Macallan which Silva mentions is 50 years old, a reference to the anniversary. Plus Bond is now burnt out and struggling because of his age when he was still a rookie in QOS so a few years must have passed since then.

    So yeah, it takes place in 2012.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Walecs wrote:
    Creasy47 is right, how do we know there's a four year difference?

    In Skyfall there was a bottle of 1962 Macallan which Silva mentions is 50 years old, a reference to the anniversary. So yeah, it takes place in 2012.

    Right, I forgot that!
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    I don't necessarily want it to be in Bond 24, but I'd like to see a You Only Live Twice-esque Daniel Craig Bond film, with the grand-scale feeling and world in the balance plot. Just more serious maybe. We'll see.
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    My wishes are simple . . . a better plot than "SKYFALL" and no over-the-top sexism.
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    I wish Clive Owen could have been Bond.
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    jolearon wrote:
    I wish Clive Owen could have been Bond.

    This ship has sailed a while ago... beside, this thread is about Bond 24 wish list. Clive Owen ain't going to be Bond. Not for Bond 24, 25 or any other.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ron Perlman as a henchman.
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    My latest wish: NO TANNER! Seriously, Bill Tanner is the blandest James Bond character of all time. He is incredibly boring. It's time to get rid of him for good!
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    My latest wish: NO TANNER! Seriously, Bill Tanner is the blandest James Bond character of all time. He is incredibly boring. It's time to get rid of him for good!

    I could go for that. For me he's like a slightly less annoying Coulson from Avengers universe. I really wouldn't mind if he left; and I'm game for including Ron Perlman. I loved him as Slade in Teen Titans.
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