Bond Movie A vs. Bond Movie B (Diamonds Are Forever vs. The World Is Not Enough)

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  • rather not my vocab is getting my point around ok
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    I cast my vote for SkyFall! It's very evenly matched, which is why I chose this for the match-up, so when you come down to the nitty-gritty of it, I just find SF to be slightly more entertaining than TB. Most of that has to do with SF having the better pace, because honestly, in the other aspects, like main villain, 007 performance, locations, action, etc., both are in the same ballpark of excellence. Still, for reasons unknown to me, I prefer SF.
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    By the way, am I right to assume that Thunderball and SkyFall are the only two Bond movies in which 007 actually gets hit with a bullet? In TB, he gets shot in the back of the leg during the Junkanoo Parade, and then in SF, he gets shot in the shoulder by Patrice and then again in the same area by Eve. I cannot recall any other times in which 007 actually gets shot!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    00Beast wrote:
    By the way, am I right to assume that Thunderball and SkyFall are the only two Bond movies in which 007 actually gets hit with a bullet? In TB, he gets shot in the back of the leg during the Junkanoo Parade, and then in SF, he gets shot in the shoulder by Patrice and then again in the same area by Eve. I cannot recall any other times in which 007 actually gets shot!

    Ironic, huh? I am trying to think if he has been grazed at all...
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited February 2013 Posts: 4,043
    While TB is one of Connery better entries and has a top score by Barry definitely Skyfall for me, it's 2nd in my rankings so an easy choice, looking forward to catching it next week when my steel book Blu ray turns up.
  • Haven't seen Thunderball since damn knows when, but even so, Skyfall wins this round

    Thunderball, and I've seen it enough times though, is a good release, but the underwater scenes just go on and on, and it's very easy to get bored sometimes. Connery is past his supreme best, but still a decent watch, but have to once again give Skyfall the vote. Just makes for more enthralling viewing
  • It's Skyfall for me. While I find Thunderball to be the second best Connery film, Skyfall is slightly better. It paces better.
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    warnertt wrote:
    Skyfall was way better than Thunderball, Thunderball was just a bad remake of the concept of Goldfinger!
    0iker0 wrote:
    SKYFALL wins this match.
    12. Thunderball
    11. GoldenEye
    10. Quantum Of Solace
    9. For Your Eyes Only
    8. Casino Royale
    7. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    6. Dr. No
    5. Octopussy
    4. The Man With The Golden Gun
    3. The Spy Who Loved Me
    2. Skyfall

    how is on your majesties secret service not on the worst part of your list?
    it was boring and retarted! George Lazenby is a terrible actor!!!

    Mod edit: another double post by this member this evening corrected.
    It was fun to watch, interesting and had a great plot. Plus one of the best scores I've ever heard.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    0iker0 wrote:
    warnertt wrote:
    Skyfall was way better than Thunderball, Thunderball was just a bad remake of the concept of Goldfinger!
    0iker0 wrote:
    SKYFALL wins this match.
    12. Thunderball
    11. GoldenEye
    10. Quantum Of Solace
    9. For Your Eyes Only
    8. Casino Royale
    7. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    6. Dr. No
    5. Octopussy
    4. The Man With The Golden Gun
    3. The Spy Who Loved Me
    2. Skyfall

    how is on your majesties secret service not on the worst part of your list?
    it was boring and retarted! George Lazenby is a terrible actor!!!

    Mod edit: another double post by this member this evening corrected.
    It was fun to watch, interesting and had a great plot. Plus one of the best scores I've ever heard.

    Don't bother, he's only a troll.
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    SkyFall
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    Skyfall!
  • Thunderball obviously :)
    It is one of the GREAT Bond movies
    As for skyfall...............no comment!
  • all bond movies are great and skyfall is a new one
  • 007forever wrote:
    all bond movies are great and skyfall is a new one

    They're all good movies but some do certainly rise to the top while others leave much to be desired. These two in particular are clearly at the top of the scale, but I dare say that Thunderball stands well above Skyfall for many reasons, but I feel that it's prestige as a classic 60's Connery Bond film alone make it stand out. It's films like TB and GF that are used as the standard by which the new films like SF are measured.
  • 007forever wrote:
    all bond movies are great and skyfall is a new one

    They're all good movies but some do certainly rise to the top while others leave much to be desired. These two in particular are clearly at the top of the scale, but I dare say that Thunderball stands well above Skyfall for many reasons, but I feel that it's prestige as a classic 60's Connery Bond film alone make it stand out. It's films like TB and GF that are used as the standard by which the new films like SF are measured.


    Well said sir
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    Skyfall, easily.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DN vs. TLD vs. CR

    IMO these are the BIG three for first-time out new, serious & fairly literary Bonds.

    DN was fresh, new, and close to the novels in a time sense. It was breaking ground, and setting the stage of a hard British agent dealing with outlandish international adversaries.
    TLD was introducing us to a very literary Bond still functioning in the confusing and complex Cold War era, if keeping just a few of the absurd elements built up from the previous two decades.
    CR was a retooling Bond for the 21st Century with a serious take on the character not seen since Dalton's 2nd film- tough, ruthless and ready to kill, in a world where evil has been covertly privatized for power and profit.

    Which one defines Bond for you?
    Or do they all, each in different ways?
    Are any of them so iconic you can't be objective?
    And... are you pissed that I didn't include OHMSS, LALD or GE here?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I will say DN. In the end, all other Bonds, one way or another, return to the source. Even SF, when taking us to Mallory's office, finds its way back to the earliest days of the cinematic Bond.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited March 2013 Posts: 17,741
    DarthDimi wrote:
    I will say DN. In the end, all other Bonds, one way or another, return to the source.
    Yeah, even without Llewelyn's Q or a proper Barry score, DN is timelessly awesome IMO. Very much like Indy's first movie.
    But TLD is my personal favourite.
    "He got the boot." ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    I will say DN. In the end, all other Bonds, one way or another, return to the source. Even SF, when taking us to Mallory's office, finds its way back to the earliest days of the cinematic Bond.

    That's why I also vote for DN. Totally throwing favorites out of the window, DN started it all, and you can trace so much back to those early days of Bond. DN gets the vote from me.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    Dr No. The template.
  • Casino Royale. Dr. No, as much as I may like it, can be a bit slow, and lacks some of the classic Bond templates. It did start the Bond series, but Goldfinger was the one that really set the standard and launched Bondamania. Casino Royale also helped revive the franchise after four years of turmoil and Die Another Day, and did all that with some pretty heavy skepticism of Craig's very existence. Casino Royale just edges it out.

    The Living Daylights is further behind. I still like it, and Dalton delivers a great performance, but it really can't compare to either of the two. The villains aren't even close to Dr. No and Le Chiffre, the plot is a bit complex, Kara can't compare to either Honey or Vesper, and it doesn't have any real signature Bond scene, like killing Dent or dinenr with Dr. No or killing Dryden or the rope-testes scene.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    it doesn't have any real signature Bond scene, like killing Dent or dinenr with Dr. No or killing Dryden or the rope-testes scene.

    "He got the boot."
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    CR. Tied with TLD.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,970
    TLD. It's not that DN is a bad Bond, I just happen to find it a bit creaky and not as thrilling as TLD. FRWL would have made a better match, but at the end of the day, it'd still choose TLD.
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    TLD because it has all the traditional cinematic Bond ingredients as well as Fleming influence.

    DN seemed like more of a prototype than anything else, it was missing ingredients that would become regular additions starting with the next few flicks. CR has some of the ingredients DN was missing but also throws away a fair few and doesn't fully capture cinematic Bond like TLD.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    TLD because it has all the traditional cinematic Bond ingredients as well as Fleming influence.

    DN seemed like more of a prototype than anything else, it was missing ingredients that would become regular additions starting with the next few flicks. CR has some of the ingredients DN was missing but also throws away a fair few and doesn't fully capture cinematic Bond like TLD.
    Again, as usual, we reach.
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    Back in effect! It's been too long since last time, and I do apologize for that. However, I am prepared to continue this exciting thread with a fantastic new round, which begins right now!

    Dr. No vs. SkyFall

    The first against the newest!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,340
    Skyfall!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited May 2013 Posts: 12,459
    Skyfall definitely, although I love Dr. No for many reasons.
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