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The DANIEL CRAIG Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    But what's the problem if it's more than that?

    Bit of a late reply, but I think it's do with that people don't like it when subsequent films change the lore of the previous film. With Dr.No and FRWL, nobody complained because Dr. No mentioned he was a member of Spectre already.

    In Skyfall, Silva is seen as a rogue operator doing his own thing. While in Spectre, they try to make the claim he was a member of the group, which just doesn't jibe with people because they know it's not what was the plan in 2012, and frankly, it sort of lessens the film if viewed throught that prism.

    I always figured Silva was a contractor. Blofeld/Spectre hired him for jobs. Remember that Silva said he'd do things "all to the highest bidder."
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    But what's the problem if it's more than that?

    Bit of a late reply, but I think it's do with that people don't like it when subsequent films change the lore of the previous film. With Dr.No and FRWL, nobody complained because Dr. No mentioned he was a member of Spectre already.

    In Skyfall, Silva is seen as a rogue operator doing his own thing. While in Spectre, they try to make the claim he was a member of the group, which just doesn't jibe with people because they know it's not what was the plan in 2012, and frankly, it sort of lessens the film if viewed throught that prism.

    I always figured Silva was a contractor. Blofeld/Spectre hired him for jobs. Remember that Silva said he'd do things "all to the highest bidder."

    I like this headcanon. Makes way more sense that Silva might have just taken some jobs from SPECTRE among dozens of others rather than him being a SPECTRE agent specifically. Luckily things are explained so vaguely in SP regarding previous villains' connections to SPECTRE that I believe this theory works, unless I'm forgetting a piece of dialogue somewhere that says otherwise.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Empire magazine have just given a 4 star revew of 'Wake up Dead man'
    Looking forward to this!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Empire magazine have just given a 4 star revew of 'Wake up Dead man'
    Looking forward to this!

    Yep, me too. I just hope it's better than the last one :D
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 26 Posts: 19,695
    FoxRox wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    But what's the problem if it's more than that?

    Bit of a late reply, but I think it's do with that people don't like it when subsequent films change the lore of the previous film. With Dr.No and FRWL, nobody complained because Dr. No mentioned he was a member of Spectre already.

    In Skyfall, Silva is seen as a rogue operator doing his own thing. While in Spectre, they try to make the claim he was a member of the group, which just doesn't jibe with people because they know it's not what was the plan in 2012, and frankly, it sort of lessens the film if viewed throught that prism.

    I always figured Silva was a contractor. Blofeld/Spectre hired him for jobs. Remember that Silva said he'd do things "all to the highest bidder."

    I like this headcanon. Makes way more sense that Silva might have just taken some jobs from SPECTRE among dozens of others rather than him being a SPECTRE agent specifically. Luckily things are explained so vaguely in SP regarding previous villains' connections to SPECTRE that I believe this theory works, unless I'm forgetting a piece of dialogue somewhere that says otherwise.

    Yeah that's a good point, although I quite like the explanation that Blofeld & C's plan is partly behind Silva's attack on MI6, the film doesn't actually state that it is at all, he might just have worked on another totally different unrelated job for them which we never saw- I never thought of that. The film is trying to say that Blofeld is the author of James' pain, and that would presumably include M's death, but if a viewer doesn't like that idea then they don't have to accept it and can just go with the 'Silva sometimes worked for Spectre on other jobs' one.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    edited November 26 Posts: 4,599
    mtm wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Daltonforyou wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    But what's the problem if it's more than that?

    Bit of a late reply, but I think it's do with that people don't like it when subsequent films change the lore of the previous film. With Dr.No and FRWL, nobody complained because Dr. No mentioned he was a member of Spectre already.

    In Skyfall, Silva is seen as a rogue operator doing his own thing. While in Spectre, they try to make the claim he was a member of the group, which just doesn't jibe with people because they know it's not what was the plan in 2012, and frankly, it sort of lessens the film if viewed throught that prism.

    I always figured Silva was a contractor. Blofeld/Spectre hired him for jobs. Remember that Silva said he'd do things "all to the highest bidder."

    I like this headcanon. Makes way more sense that Silva might have just taken some jobs from SPECTRE among dozens of others rather than him being a SPECTRE agent specifically. Luckily things are explained so vaguely in SP regarding previous villains' connections to SPECTRE that I believe this theory works, unless I'm forgetting a piece of dialogue somewhere that says otherwise.

    Yeah that's a good point, although I quite like the explanation that Blofeld & C's plan is partly behind Silva's attack on MI6, the film doesn't actually state that it is at all, he might just have worked on another totally different unrelated job for them which we never saw- I never thought of that. The film is trying to say that Blofeld is the author of James' pain, and that would presumably include M's death, but if a viewer doesn't like that idea then they don't have to accept it and can just go with the 'Silva sometimes worked for Spectre on other jobs' one.

    Spectre doesn't enter my head when i watch the first three Craigs. EON didn't own the rights to SPECTRE then. Therefore there's no connection to Silva, Le Chiffre or Greene

    I don't take any notice of 'retconned' nonsense.

    I sometimes wonder if Blofeld would have become the leader of a criminal organisation and been the 'Author of all James's pain' if Bond had become a librarian instead of a renowned spy...
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I sometimes wonder if Blofeld would have become the leader of a criminal organisation and been the 'Author of all James's pain' if Bond had become a librarian instead of a renowned spy...

    But didn’t Blofeld explain: you interfered with my life; I destroyed yours”.

    I think he went after his “little brother” because Bond unknowingly entered his criminal activity starting with the Casino assignment…
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It is convenient they both ended up on both sides of the same business though, isn't it!

    I wonder if Oberhauser had been some kind of kindly CO at a cadets school they both attended or something like that, would that have been easier to swallow? Y'know, so they were both at least on the path to being in the spy game and had a reason to be brought together at that point.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    It is convenient they both ended up on both sides of the same business though, isn't it!

    I wonder if Oberhauser had been some kind of kindly CO at a cadets school they both attended or something like that, would that have been easier to swallow? Y'know, so they were both at least on the path to being in the spy game and had a reason to be brought together at that point.

    😂 very true. But I’ll chalk this one off as: international crime and espionage takes place around the globe, but how many organizations play in this sandbox. Must be a small(ish) world?
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,599
    peter wrote: »
    I sometimes wonder if Blofeld would have become the leader of a criminal organisation and been the 'Author of all James's pain' if Bond had become a librarian instead of a renowned spy...

    But didn’t Blofeld explain: you interfered with my life; I destroyed yours”.

    I think he went after his “little brother” because Bond unknowingly entered his criminal activity starting with the Casino assignment…

    Blofeld had nothing to do with the 'casino assignment' because EON didn't have the rights to use him 😁
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    It will be interesting to see what Amazon do with Blofeld, if at all.
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