Which Bond novel are you currently reading?

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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I didn't know Édith Piaf was referenced in the novels. Andrea Anders can be seen reading Piaf's biography aboard the hydrofoil.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I didn't know Édith Piaf was referenced in the novels. Andrea Anders can be seen reading Piaf's biography aboard the hydrofoil.

    She isn't mentioned by name, but it's a song of hers that Tiffany is playing.

    Didn't know that about Miss Anders, very nice :)
  • Edith Piaf's La vie en rose also showed up in Casino Royale; Bond turns it off in DAF due to bad memories of Vesper.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Ian Fleming also chose Édith Piaf's La Vie en Rose as one of his favourite records when he appeared on BBC Radio's Desert Island Discs in June 1963:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009y5b3
  • edited October 29 Posts: 2,998
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ian Fleming also chose Édith Piaf's La Vie en Rose as one of his favourite records when he appeared on BBC Radio's Desert Island Discs in June 1963:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p009y5b3

    I would just add that while only nine minutes of the program exists, the full transcript can be read here, and the post also includes YouTube links to Fleming's selections. No one will be surprised to find that Fleming was a fan of the Ink Spots.
  • https://jamesbondwatches.com/ian-fleming-specified-cheap-expandable-james-bond-watches/

    I mentioned this link in another thread but I found Fleming's response quite interesting. Because the letter writer is indeed right: a Rolex probably wouldn't stop due to getting a little wet.

    Bond did wear Rolex before and after, so Fleming's reasoning doesn't exactly stand up either: Bond actually uses a Rolex for the purpose of fighting in OHMSS and when that breaks he asks Q Branch for another one.

    It probably means nothing as Fleming didn't want to concede to the point to the writer but still amusing to picture Bond wearing the equivalent of a Timex or something.
  • edited November 2 Posts: 119
    Following up Thunderball with the book that it competes with for the title of my favourite, OHMSS.

    Always found it interesting how this seems to ignore the existence of the intervening Spy Who Loved Me - while considering his retirement at the start, Bond says he’s been hunting SPECTRE ever since the end of the Thunderball case without finding any trace, which contradicts the confrontation with a SPECTRE hitman he tells Viv about in the previous book.

    Fleming famously wouldn’t let Eon adapt TSWLM directly, this book almost makes it seem like he tried to pretend it didn’t happen.

    Toying with the idea of pausing this during the two-month time gap in the narrative and reading Spy then, to see if it fits as an interlude.
  • While Griswold seemed to believe that The Spy Who Loved Me comes in between OHMSS, I never bought that idea, simply because of the fact of the years lining up. In Spy, Bond says it was less than a year ago (something that is probably also untrue) but in OHMSS Bond says it was 12 months (which to be fair would also be quite untrue considering the Thunderball occurred in June).

    Analysis of the dates and years also don't line up; Thunderball, as stated, occurs in 1959; Spy takes place with Kennedy in charge and October 13th is Friday, thus placing it in 1961; Blofeld in OHMSS is 54 and born in May 1908, so OHMSS takes place at the end of 1962 and into 1963.

    And it also makes Bond come off as a bit of a cad. He left Tracy with an agreement to see her again just to fool about with another woman halfway around the world.
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    While Griswold seemed to believe that The Spy Who Loved Me comes in between OHMSS, I never bought that idea, simply because of the fact of the years lining up. In Spy, Bond says it was less than a year ago (something that is probably also untrue) but in OHMSS Bond says it was 12 months (which to be fair would also be quite untrue considering the Thunderball occurred in June).

    Analysis of the dates and years also don't line up; Thunderball, as stated, occurs in 1959; Spy takes place with Kennedy in charge and October 13th is Friday, thus placing it in 1961; Blofeld in OHMSS is 54 and born in May 1908, so OHMSS takes place at the end of 1962 and into 1963.
    Not to mention the reference to the "New Franc" which was adopted in1960.

  • edited November 2 Posts: 2,998
    LeighBurne wrote: »
    Bond says he’s been hunting SPECTRE ever since the end of the Thunderball case without finding any trace, which contradicts the confrontation with a SPECTRE hitman he tells Viv about in the previous book.

    True. In his resignation letter Bond states "I have found no trace of this man nor of a revived SPECTRE, if such exists."

    This completely contradicts what Bond tells Vivienne in TSWLM: "Less than a year ago there was this business of the stolen atomic bombs. It was called Operation Thunderball. Remember? [...] But the point is that we never cleaned up SPECTRE. The top man got away [...] Well, they've got going again."

    So it's very plausible that Fleming meant to ignore the existence of TSWLM, whose reception deeply embarassed him. It's also possible that by the time he began OHMSS Fleming decided it would be more effective, in dramatic terms, to start with Bond fed up with fruitlessly searching for Blofeld and on the verge of resignation. It wouldn't be the first time Fleming contradicted himself, and he probably had no wish to reread TSWLM to refresh himself on what Bond's last encounter with SPECTRE had been like.
    Fleming famously wouldn’t let Eon adapt TSWLM directly...

    I have my doubts about this. Fleming's interview with Photoplay contains the following passage:

    "We then talked about the series of films that are being planned and adapted from his books—the already made Dr. No, which will be followed by From Russia With Love, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger, Live And Let Die, Moonraker, and possibly, if it can be adapted for the screen, The Spy That Loved Me [sic]."

    It's possible that later on Fleming told the producers to only adapt the title, but I'd like to see stronger evidence for this, since recollections of Broccoli and company were often exagerrated and at times simply incorrect.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I was going to ask exactly that question, thanks! I did wonder where that story about TSWLM not being allowed to be adapted came from just because it's been repeated so many times I don't think I've ever heard a direct source for it.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Revelator wrote: »
    LeighBurne wrote: »
    Bond says he’s been hunting SPECTRE ever since the end of the Thunderball case without finding any trace, which contradicts the confrontation with a SPECTRE hitman he tells Viv about in the previous book.

    True. In his resignation letter Bond states "I have found no trace of this man nor of a revived SPECTRE, if such exists."

    This completely contradicts what Bond tells Vivienne in TSWLM: "Less than a year ago there was this business of the stolen atomic bombs. It was called Operation Thunderball. Remember? [...] But the point is that we never cleaned up SPECTRE. The top man got away [...] Well, they've got going again."

    So it's very plausible that Fleming meant to ignore the existence of TSWLM, whose reception deeply embarassed him. It's also possible that by the time he began OHMSS Fleming decided it would be more effective, in dramatic terms, to start with Bond fed up with fruitlessly searching for Blofeld and on the verge of resignation. It wouldn't be the first time Fleming contradicted himself, and he probably had no wish to reread TSWLM to refresh himself on what Bond's last encounter with SPECTRE had been like.
    Fleming famously wouldn’t let Eon adapt TSWLM directly...

    I have my doubts about this. Fleming's interview with Photoplay contains the following passage:

    "We then talked about the series of films that are being planned and adapted from his books—the already made Dr. No, which will be followed by From Russia With Love, Diamonds Are Forever, Goldfinger, Live And Let Die, Moonraker, and possibly, if it can be adapted for the screen, The Spy That Loved Me [sic]."

    It's possible that later on Fleming told the producers to only adapt the title, but I'd like to see stronger evidence for this, since recollections of Broccoli and company were often exagerrated and at times simply incorrect.

    Great find!
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