The James Bond Questions Thread

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    I think it's more a case that women being enamored by their stars is treated very differently (and taken less seriously) than the reverse.

    She had the balls to fire Brosnan after his films made a lot of money for her. So she wasn't enamored with all her stars.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 10 Posts: 19,496
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I think it's more likely Eon would be making Bond 26 (if they let Craig walk after Spectre, and had started up a new Bond film already with a new actor by 2019).

    Maybe. But I don't think Babs ever had a vision of Bond past Daniel Craig. She had this weird attachment to him.

    I don’t get why people think it’s weird that she thought the lead of her films, who she picked, was great; film producers are supposed to do that. Any notions that she was in love with him are projection and a bit sexist, frankly.

    I agree with what you're saying but she gave up the franchise after him. She never had a vision for the series after Craig. So she sold. Cubby had visions for Bond for 30+ years

    And she ran the Bonds for almost the same amount of time (both her and Wilson worked on them much longer- he's been a producer on them since 1984, 41 years ago, far longer than Cubby ever did it), and still retired while she's got plenty of life in her.

    Look, they came up with their ultimate version of Bond, it was a huge global mega hit, and funnily enough when they hit 64 and 82 years old respectively, they didn't fancy starting from day one again yet another 15 year cycle of making blockbuster movies and thought they'd enjoy their millions -or billions, even. So sue them.
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    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I think it's more likely Eon would be making Bond 26 (if they let Craig walk after Spectre, and had started up a new Bond film already with a new actor by 2019).

    Maybe. But I don't think Babs ever had a vision of Bond past Daniel Craig. She had this weird attachment to him.

    I don’t get why people think it’s weird that she thought the lead of her films, who she picked, was great; film producers are supposed to do that. Any notions that she was in love with him are projection and a bit sexist, frankly.

    I agree with what you're saying but she gave up the franchise after him. She never had a vision for the series after Craig. So she sold. Cubby had visions for Bond for 30+ years

    And she ran the Bonds for almost the same amount of time (both her and Wilson worked on them much longer- he's been a producer on them since 1984, 41 years ago, far longer than Cubby ever did it), and still retired while she's got plenty of life in her.

    Look, they came up with their ultimate version of Bond, it was a huge global mega hit, and funnily enough when they hit 64 and 82 years old respectively, they didn't fancy starting from day one again yet another 15 year cycle of making blockbuster movies and thought they'd enjoy their millions -or billions, even. So sue them.

    I didn't say there was anything wrong with what they did. I was just pointing out the difference between Cubby and Babs. It was obvious Cubby was only focused on Bond while Babs wanted to do Bond and other projects.
  • edited October 11 Posts: 6,238
    It was different for Cubby. He’d had a producing career before Bond, and Bond itself was something he’d built up with Saltzman. Michael and Barbara inherited it and kept the thing going. When they realised they couldn’t continue it within EON (remember, Cubby had both of them to continue) they gave it to those who’d keep on making the films, seemingly got the people they wanted to succeed them in the short term, and still kept their financial share of the franchise.

    If in that position, I suspect Cubby would have done the same thing or would have gotten a much worse deal.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 11 Posts: 19,496
    Well you said she had a 'weird attachment' to Craig, so it didn't seem 100% positive! :D

    Cubby was happy to churn out the same stuff forever and was averse to being too creative with it, rejecting the idea of a younger Bond starting out, which later became such a massive hit for them with CR. He had a vision for Bond in 62, and then more or less stuck to that for 27 years (not 30+) with some gentle meanders in tone along the way; I'm not sure he had more than one, and didn't really have time between instalments for much creation of vision.
    I love those films, they're all great. And the producers have been incredibly strong the whole way through. Maybe they'd make mistakes like not taking care of relationships well enough and holing the boat along the way (Connery, Saltzman) or hiring the wrong directors (Apted, Forster- both very good and interesting but for my money not suited to it) but all four of the main producers have done great jobs and made great movies.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Well you said she had a 'weird attachment' to Craig, so it didn't seem 100% positive! :D

    Maybe I should have used my words more carefully. This is just my personal opinion but I felt that Babs run as Bond producer could have had more films under her belt. I always felt that Brosnan should have gotten a 5th film and that Craig should have had another Bond movie before NTTD.

    I do want to know if Craig had finished up after Spectre. Would Babs have cast another Bond and go on another run with a new actor? or would she have sold sooner?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    There's talk that they started to look at other actors after Spectre, possibly even auditioning them, I don't know.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    mtm wrote: »
    Exactly: that's sexism then.
    Her dad was quite often publicly at war with his stars (even Roger), so I tend to think that she handled things much better there.

    I would suggest one read Dick Van Dyke's memoir where he recounts the situation of filming Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. During the shoot Dick needed to return to the USA for a family emergency. He asked Cubby if he would be allowed to leave without being docked pay. Cubby said not a problem. However later Dick learned he was docked for leaving the set for this emergency.

    Cubby wasn't the kind teddy bear that has been portrayed. Connery gets lots of arrows for standing up and advocating for himself. Truth is anyone who amounts to anyone in a business is likely a bit ruthless and very much focused less on the art but the money one derives from it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    And, y'know: Ted Healy.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pun Barrel
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    Was M Bond's mother?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    Was M Bond's mother?

    No, why would you think that?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    M. She likes to think so. QOS.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pun Barrel
    edited October 12 Posts: 7,289
    And...

    -Get after them, we can't afford to lose that list!
    -Yes, mum!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited October 12 Posts: 15,604
    mattjoes wrote: »
    And...

    -Get after them, we can't afford to lose that list!
    -Yes, mum!

    It’s, “Yes ma’am.”

    Not mum.

    Dictionary
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    ma'am
    /mam,mɑːm/
    noun
    noun: ma'am; noun: maam
    DATED•NORTH AMERICAN ENGLISH
    a term of respectful or polite address used for a woman.
    "excuse me, ma'am"
    BRITISH ENGLISH
    a term of address for female royalty.
    BRITISH ENGLISH
    a term of address for a female officer in the police or armed forces who is senior to the speaker.
  • Posts: 307
    I was taught to use 'Madam' in formal correspondence and 'Ma'am' in spoken address.


    Skyfall script:
    M
    You both know what’s at stake here
    ...We cannot afford to lose that list.

    BOND (V.O.)
    Yes, ma’am.
  • Posts: 2,151
    Re-watched Goldeneye last night with my partner. And he asked if Ourumov was the Admiral in disguised who Xenia killed when they stole the helicopter? I don't think so cause a few days went by before they got to Severnya. What do you all think?
  • MalloryMallory Rules Reastaurant
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    I think it is just a Janus hired goon. I dont think a Soviet General would be able to sneak over to France un-noticed.
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Re-watched Goldeneye last night with my partner. And he asked if Ourumov was the Admiral in disguised who Xenia killed when they stole the helicopter? I don't think so cause a few days went by before they got to Severnya. What do you all think?

    I always understood it was a lookalike, like Angelo in TB.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    The GoldenEye comic features an unidentified Chuck Farrel doppelganger flying with Xenia. The comic's pretty faithful to the film, so I think of it like Angelo posing as Francois.

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    Are we agree that in the novel, the Aston Martin DB5 only appears in some Raymond Besnon work ? I don't remember it anywhere else.
  • MalloryMallory Rules Reastaurant
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    Are we agree that in the novel, the Aston Martin DB5 only appears in some Raymond Besnon work ? I don't remember it anywhere else.

    I dont know about continuation novels, but I think in Goldfinger, Bond has a DB Mark III.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    The DB5 is mentioned in both Gardner's GE and Benson's TND.
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    That's right, I forgot that.
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    I've often wondered why Fleming chose to liken Bond's appearance to Hoagy Carmichael.

    Hoagy-Carmichael-1947.jpg

    I suppose he was quite handsome and debonair looking, and apparently, Fleming was told that he looked like him.

    I guess he was just someone most people would've recognised at the time.

    But still, it does seem like a bit of a random choice. Cinema wasn't exactly running short of suave leading men at the time of Bond's creation. It seems a little strange Fleming would choose a country and western star.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I've often wondered why Fleming chose to liken Bond's appearance to Hoagy Carmichael.

    Hoagy-Carmichael-1947.jpg

    I suppose he was quite handsome and debonair looking, and apparently, Fleming was told that he looked like him.

    I guess he was just someone most people would've recognised at the time.

    But still, it does seem like a bit of a random choice. Cinema wasn't exactly running short of suave leading men at the time of Bond's creation. It seems a little strange Fleming would choose a country and western star.

    Maybe because that's who he imagined Bond looked like? If the character came out of true inspiration and creativity, then Fleming himself never truly "picked", at least not consciously.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think he also said that Bond looked like his friend Henry Cotton, a famous golfer of the time. He looked quite similar to Carmichael so maybe that might be the link: he decided Bond looked like his friend and then found another star who looked similar.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think he also said that Bond looked like his friend Henry Cotton, a famous golfer of the time. He looked quite similar to Carmichael so maybe that might be the link: he decided Bond looked like his friend and then found another star who looked similar.

    I don't think people "decide" what their creations look like, something just feels right.
  • edited 10:05am Posts: 6,238
    It's worth saying Fleming later stated he actually didn't really know what James Bond looked like. At least beyond the faint idea of cold blue grey eyes, the hair, scar etc. The young Carmichael comparison is only made twice if I recall correctly. The illustration for the Daily Express doesn't immediately resemble Carmichael either, but I suppose you can see some similarities are there.

    Personally, I think what matters about Bond's description are things like the cruel mouth, the eyes, the scar, and the general demeanour. Really, that's what makes the character stand out. At any rate it's tricky for modern readers to have an image of Carmichael, and everyone will have a slightly different vision of Bond anyway.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 10:19am Posts: 19,496
    Sure, if you like; he did write that about Bond looking like Carmichael though so it's there in black and white despite whether he felt or decided it. Regardless I guess his friend Cotton wasn't as famous in the US so maybe he chose someone who looked roughly like that and was more well-known in the States as a reference, I don't know.

    This is Cotton:

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    henry-cotton.jpg?s=1024x1024&w=gi&k=20&c=JWIe88PJa9yt7jC2IwwkpYXAfI_p9_ImoGqSUwL1Iro=

    That's him in the 30s; maybe Fleming wanted a more up-to-date reference. Apparently Cotton was a high-living type of guy and Fleming supposedly modelled Bond on him to some extent (although I think there's a few 'real life James Bond' candidates).
    But y'know: I think if you said that last one was an image of Bond playing Goldfinger, it'd be quite easy to believe.
  • edited 10:20am Posts: 6,238
    Doesn't Bond reject the idea he looks like Carmichael in CR? Might be misremembering it. I'm pretty sure even Gala Brand's comparison in MR is a bit half hearted (I think it's something along the lines of briefly mentioning he looks like Carmichael 'in a way', except for his very distinctive, cruel features. In fact if anything it seems like Fleming is backtracking on the comparison and doubling down on Bond's more intangible qualities).

    Who knows? Maybe Fleming got compared to Carmichael at some point and he decided to put it in. I never got the sense it was a very definitive description of the character, and in modern terms it's a bit like saying Bond looks faintly like, I don't know, a young Daniel Day Lewis or something. I also think his vision of the character changed from CR to MR anyway. I certainly can't picture someone like Cotton when reading the books.
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