Who Still Has a Difficult Time Getting Into Craig?

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  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Was there other candidates in 94?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Was there other candidates in 94?

    I've heard Liam Neeson was one other actor considered besides Brosnan.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Was there other candidates in 94?

    I've heard Liam Neeson was one other actor considered besides Brosnan.

    There has to have been others too.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Was there other candidates in 94?

    I've heard Liam Neeson was one other actor considered besides Brosnan.

    There has to have been others too.

    According to GoldenEye IMDb trivia page, Paul McGann would have been Bond if Brosnan had turned down the role. Ralph Fiennes is mentioned as having auditioned, too.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    The dynamo that someone mentioned about Craig is true. In CR there is an electric feel to his performance. He engages and really goes after his role as Bond. We see it again in QOS. Then in SF the energy drops, SP drops again and by NTTD I feel what was once on screen is a shell of it's former self. That might be a character arc but also the age of Craig. While I don't think a film every two years is possible anymore, I do wish there wasn't long gaps between films. I am hoping that Amazon doesn't have a 4-5 year gap before the next film adventure.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Good point. There is a strong part in me that we're not watching the same Bond in SP-NTTD than we were in CR and QOS
  • Posts: 878
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Was there other candidates in 94?

    I've heard Liam Neeson was one other actor considered besides Brosnan.

    There has to have been others too.

    It's not a complete list, but alternative007.co.uk wrote an article about many of the actors who were (allegedly) considered. Here's the section about GE:
    http://www.alternative007.co.uk/303.htm
  • edited 1:26am Posts: 6,195
    thedove wrote: »
    The dynamo that someone mentioned about Craig is true. In CR there is an electric feel to his performance. He engages and really goes after his role as Bond. We see it again in QOS. Then in SF the energy drops, SP drops again and by NTTD I feel what was once on screen is a shell of it's former self. That might be a character arc but also the age of Craig. While I don't think a film every two years is possible anymore, I do wish there wasn't long gaps between films. I am hoping that Amazon doesn't have a 4-5 year gap before the next film adventure.

    They probably won’t, but that’s because they won’t have a company over them going bankrupt and not allowing them to make a Bond film for a certain amount of time. Or changing hands with either legal battles or battles over creative rights ensuing… y’know like MGM (or indeed Amazon-MGM)…

    Hopefully a pandemic or writer’s strike won’t crop up either. And the director of the film decides to stay.

    Anyway, I really like Craig’s performance in SF. It’s more subdued (or subtle) in many ways but I feel that’s the point. It’s fantastic acting. I’d say it’s ever so slightly above his performance in CR, but both are great films involving the same Bond at different stages of his life.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Was there other candidates in 94?

    I've heard Liam Neeson was one other actor considered besides Brosnan.

    There has to have been others too.

    According to GoldenEye IMDb trivia page, Paul McGann would have been Bond if Brosnan had turned down the role. Ralph Fiennes is mentioned as having auditioned, too.
    I think it would have been hard to any actor to pass Brosnan.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 9:27am Posts: 19,474
    007HallY wrote: »
    Different actors. Dalton always seemed more theatrical and expressive as Bond to me, albeit in his own serious way.

    I just remembered a mate of mine used to laugh at the line “Bring the chair” in the TLD sniper scene, a pretty innocuous bit of dialogue which Dalton imbues with great brooding significance! :D
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    Your friend missed the point! Dalton was showing Bonds distaste for this mission. He was there to kill a sniper, and it was a foul business, Bond was good at his job, but didn't always like what was ordered to do! Pure Fleming. That opening scene is one of the finest in the series!
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Your friend missed the point! Dalton was showing Bonds distaste for this mission. He was there to kill a sniper, and it was a foul business, Bond was good at his job, but didn't always like what was ordered to do! Pure Fleming. That opening scene is one of the finest in the series!

    I would also add that with those 3 words, Bond wants to put Saunders in his place. Saunders has gone out of his way to be an insufferable pen pusher, but he's in Bonds world now.
  • Posts: 8,603
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Your friend missed the point! Dalton was showing Bonds distaste for this mission. He was there to kill a sniper, and it was a foul business, Bond was good at his job, but didn't always like what was ordered to do! Pure Fleming. That opening scene is one of the finest in the series!

    I would also add that with those 3 words, Bond wants to put Saunders in his place. Saunders has gone out of his way to be an insufferable pen pusher, but he's in Bonds world now.

    Yeh, there's that too! Good point. Saunders reaction shows that!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Your friend missed the point! Dalton was showing Bonds distaste for this mission. He was there to kill a sniper, and it was a foul business, Bond was good at his job, but didn't always like what was ordered to do! Pure Fleming. That opening scene is one of the finest in the series!

    I think he just wanted the chair :)
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  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Your friend missed the point! Dalton was showing Bonds distaste for this mission. He was there to kill a sniper, and it was a foul business, Bond was good at his job, but didn't always like what was ordered to do! Pure Fleming. That opening scene is one of the finest in the series!

    Completely correct. It’s pure Fleming.
    Dalton and Thomas Wheatley are brilliant in this opening scene.
    It’s subtle and says so much at the same time.
    TLD is full of these moments. The Bond and Pushkin interrogation scene, or when Bond pushes the coffee away in the Prater cafe.
    Some of these are subtle and may be missed. But for those who noticed them, like the ‘bring the chair’ scene, it’s first class Bond.
  • I don't think Dalton was trying to make a power play with the line "bring the chair." Saunders looks like he interpreted it like that initially but Dalton has shifted into professional mode. I think that's where Saunders starts to respect Dalton a little bit; for all his admiring of a beautiful cellist, he's still incredibly dedicated to his job (doubt comes back for Saunders when Bond intentionally misses).

    The sniper sequence is Dalton doing a great job of playing Bond as professional and cold and then how he must reckon with the impact of killing.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 4:35pm Posts: 19,474
    I don't think Dalton was trying to make a power play with the line "bring the chair." Saunders looks like he interpreted it like that initially but Dalton has shifted into professional mode. I think that's where Saunders starts to respect Dalton a little bit; for all his admiring of a beautiful cellist, he's still incredibly dedicated to his job (doubt comes back for Saunders when Bond intentionally misses).

    The sniper sequence is Dalton doing a great job of playing Bond as professional and cold and then how he must reckon with the impact of killing.

    As 007HallY put it, it’s a little theatrical and not very subtle. It’s a line about a chair which he gives a big dramatic pause for and a bit of an emotional emphasis to… it’s just a bit much for my taste and feels a bit silly given the line itself.
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    Brilliant opening scene, straight from Flemings short story! Daltons superb, as he is throughout!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Amen to all of this. Dalton's Bond is a sane man in a cynical world. He follows orders, but deciding between right and wrong is his own business.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mind you, I always say, if you are a man who happens to own a bulletproof car and there's a guy across the street who is in danger of getting snipered, maybe just sit in your car outside the building and let him in rather than making him run across the road and stand there tapping on your locked front door in full view of the sniper :D
  • mtm wrote: »
    I don't think Dalton was trying to make a power play with the line "bring the chair." Saunders looks like he interpreted it like that initially but Dalton has shifted into professional mode. I think that's where Saunders starts to respect Dalton a little bit; for all his admiring of a beautiful cellist, he's still incredibly dedicated to his job (doubt comes back for Saunders when Bond intentionally misses).

    The sniper sequence is Dalton doing a great job of playing Bond as professional and cold and then how he must reckon with the impact of killing.

    As 007HallY put it, it’s a little theatrical and not very subtle. It’s a line about a chair which he gives a big dramatic pause for and a bit of an emotional emphasis to… it’s just a bit much for my taste and feels a bit silly given the line itself.

    I think it's supposed to show the amount of care and consideration that Bond puts in every element of operation, even something as insignificant as whether he will sit or kneel to shoot. The intensity is supposed to represent a large contrast between how lax he is at the concert.

    The next line about strawberry jam also sort of contextualises Bond's mood. Every detail must be perfect, or Koskov dies. The chair is supposed to represent a small consideration on Bond's part and the intensity conveys to Saunders the importance of everything being perfect.

    I don't personally find it overacted but I suppose it's a matter of taste.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 7:07pm Posts: 19,474
    mtm wrote: »
    I don't think Dalton was trying to make a power play with the line "bring the chair." Saunders looks like he interpreted it like that initially but Dalton has shifted into professional mode. I think that's where Saunders starts to respect Dalton a little bit; for all his admiring of a beautiful cellist, he's still incredibly dedicated to his job (doubt comes back for Saunders when Bond intentionally misses).

    The sniper sequence is Dalton doing a great job of playing Bond as professional and cold and then how he must reckon with the impact of killing.

    As 007HallY put it, it’s a little theatrical and not very subtle. It’s a line about a chair which he gives a big dramatic pause for and a bit of an emotional emphasis to… it’s just a bit much for my taste and feels a bit silly given the line itself.

    I think it's supposed to show the amount of care and consideration that Bond puts in every element of operation, even something as insignificant as whether he will sit or kneel to shoot. The intensity is supposed to represent a large contrast between how lax he is at the concert.

    He's not particularly lax at the concert though: the "we have time" is practically spat out. There's not a huge amount of variation there and I just feel like he's doing a bit too much, trying to put deep meaning into every word. A bit theatrical and over-intense.
    The next line about strawberry jam also sort of contextualises Bond's mood. Every detail must be perfect, or Koskov dies. The chair is supposed to represent a small consideration on Bond's part and the intensity conveys to Saunders the importance of everything being perfect.

    I just find that a bit over-wrought. It's a chair. Can you guys really not see how we laughed at that a bit?
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