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  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited September 13 Posts: 893
    To be honest I don't see the problem with modeling one's work after another. Saying that is plagiarism is so silly. It doesn't hurt anything. Those same people modeled their work after something else they saw. Just very silly. Isn't that what we call homages?

    I see this often in film, yet there are no cries of plagiarism for that.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 13 Posts: 7,642
    To be honest I don't see the problem with modeling one's work after another. Saying that is plagiarism is so silly. It doesn't hurt anything. Those same people modeled their work after something else they saw. Just very silly. Isn't that what we call homages?

    I see this often in film, yet there are no cries of plagiarism for that.

    The work in question (none of the Bond work) was images straight taken from other pieces of art and applied to her own. Not modeling their work, not homage, straight 1:1 copying with no credit.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 2,159
    To be honest I don't see the problem with modeling one's work after another. Saying that is plagiarism is so silly. It doesn't hurt anything. Those same people modeled their work after something else they saw. Just very silly. Isn't that what we call homages?

    I see this often in film, yet there are no cries of plagiarism for that.

    The work in question (none of the Bond work) was images straight taken from other pieces of art and applied to her own. Not modeling their work, not homage, straight 1:1 copying with no credit.

    Was it other licensed Bond material? Not excusing anyone but perhaps there was confusion over what could be used.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    To be honest I don't see the problem with modeling one's work after another. Saying that is plagiarism is so silly. It doesn't hurt anything. Those same people modeled their work after something else they saw. Just very silly. Isn't that what we call homages?

    I see this often in film, yet there are no cries of plagiarism for that.

    The work in question (none of the Bond work) was images straight taken from other pieces of art and applied to her own. Not modeling their work, not homage, straight 1:1 copying with no credit.

    Was it other licensed Bond material? Not excusing anyone but perhaps there was confusion over what could be used.

    As far as I know it actually had nothing to do with any Bond work at all, but her work on art for the TCG Magic: The Gathering.
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    Right, that was my understanding too. And presumably it was presented as being “original art.” Again, far from the worst scandal an artist can have, but still not good.
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    Considering Dalton has (likely) made good money on these Gathering illustrations, having presented the artwork as her own, then I'd consider it quite a scandal.

    Who knows what else she's taken from other artists and on which projects? I love the look of these Folio editions, but I can't bring myself as spending considerable money on a collection like this now.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited September 14 Posts: 893
    To be honest I don't see the problem with modeling one's work after another. Saying that is plagiarism is so silly. It doesn't hurt anything. Those same people modeled their work after something else they saw. Just very silly. Isn't that what we call homages?

    I see this often in film, yet there are no cries of plagiarism for that.

    The work in question (none of the Bond work) was images straight taken from other pieces of art and applied to her own. Not modeling their work, not homage, straight 1:1 copying with no credit.

    How do you know she simply did "copy and paste" and not redrew the artwork in her own hand?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 14 Posts: 7,642
    159704.hq.jpg

    We talked at length about all of this previously in this thread I believe, but here is some of it again. Take a look at the shadows / perspective in the above art; I would think if the art was simply redrawn the artist would've taken care to adjust for these things.

    Additionally, I believe Fay Dalton's own defense was that this was the work of collage and that she in fact took from other art and included it in her work for these cards, crediting it as her own.

    If I'm being honest, it seems as though in your two most recent comments, you're making assumptions about the issue at hand and then defending her based on those assumptions. I recommend doing some research into the matter and coming to your conclusions that way. Even in this thread there was some good discussion surrounding the matter that I think is worth taking a look at!
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited September 14 Posts: 893
    I have yet to see any statement attributed to Fay Dalton discussing this controversy. Maybe you should research that before making assumptions.

    And there's been debate online on reddit about whether some of the work she's been accused of is traced, or all of it is a collage.

    troubleinpairsplagiarism-1140x0-c-default.jpg

    This figure is similar, but I'm not convinced she simply copied and pasted this.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 2,159
    These situations are very complicated and I'm sorry for being uninformed.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 15 Posts: 7,642
    Enjoy your editions everyone!
  • The new art looks great. Foldout is an interesting addition, maybe to “make up” for this being a very slim volume and/or the long wait between releases?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,642
    Looks like it's on sale tomorrow? Can't wait for the collection to be complete!
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Truly exciting news. Looking forward to completing the collection. Been waiting for ages.
  • edited September 16 Posts: 99
    Just recently bought OHMSS and YOLT. Held off on TMwtGG because I intended to get it in concert with the last volume; I’ll probably be picking them up next month if it’s about to go on sale!
    The new art looks great. Foldout is an interesting addition, maybe to “make up” for this being a very slim volume and/or the long wait between releases?

    Where are you seeing that?
  • LeighBurne wrote: »
    The new art looks great. Foldout is an interesting addition, maybe to “make up” for this being a very slim volume and/or the long wait between releases?

    Where are you seeing that?

    NickTwentyTwo shared the image of it on the last page. It’s also in the product description on the site: “4 colour illustrations including 1 fold-out double-page spread”
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,642
    Ordered! A little eye-wateringly expensive to get one of these shipped to Canada, but we do what we must. Can't wait to have the full collection!
  • edited September 16 Posts: 1,177
    The new art looks great. Foldout is an interesting addition, maybe to “make up” for this being a very slim volume and/or the long wait between releases?

    I reckon it's to make up for there only being four illustrations inside. Isn't at least five or six the average for the Bond Folios? (I'm not home now to check).
  • NickTwentyTwo shared the image of it on the last page. It’s also in the product description on the site: “4 colour illustrations including 1 fold-out double-page spread”
    Not sure how I missed that!

    Folio have also since sent me (and presumably everyone else on their mailing list) the official blurb, which also shows it.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,642
    Mines shipped, probably will take a bit to get here, but I’ll post some things about it when I receive it!
  • Ordered mine! The cost of ordering from US has gotten pretty insane, but this is the last one so obviously not gonna skip it.
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