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  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited July 17 Posts: 749
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess you can choose to ignore these elements and write your own film in your head, but personally I think you'd be missing out on the good stuff Spielberg was doing.

    Fair enough, we each take from it what we want, I don't "choose" to ignore these elements, I just don't give them as much weight as you do, I don't see them as essential and if they are not there I won't miss them as much.
    mtm wrote: »
    The reason I brought the father/son thing up was to talk about character development, but you miss my point that once you have changed the character in some way then continuity comes into play, because the films which follow it have to acknowledge that change.

    I don't think you "have to". For example, Indy's relationship with his father need not come up in the next film at all, as it didn't in ROTLA or TOD, if it is not relevant to the story at hand.
    mtm wrote: »
    ...And much the same with Raiders being set after the change they show in Temple. The point of that aspect of the plot is the 'fortune and glory' arc they give to Indy. His altruistic side is teased out of him. It's part of the reason why it's a prequel to Raiders rather than a sequel.

    Except that when they made "Raiders" they had no idea they would even get to make a sequel. Indy was the finished article in Raiders, and whatever happened in "Temple" was made up after the fact, piecemeal.

    After the first film was a huge success and Spielberg, Lucas & Ford sat down to discuss doing a sequel, only then did they asked themselves;- "what can we do with Indy next?". Later they did the same thing when it came to do LC, "What lessons can we learn from TOD, and where to next?" There was no preconcieved "Grand Plan", just as there was no "Grand Plan" for Craig-Bond.
    mtm wrote: »
    Well I don't know if there's many more stories to tell with that version of Indy. For those who don't care about continuity of timeline, a reboot should be no problem.

    Well I'm sure there are, it's not like anything that Indy has experienced hasn't already been experienced somewhere by another character in an earlier film.

    Movies continually recycle "classical" themes about the human condition, and either dress them up in new clothes for a new generation, or find a new angle on an old idea, as societal norms change and evolve. So there must be plenty more scenarios out there that Indy can suffer through yet.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 6,066
    History tells us that Hamilton wanted nothing associated with Connery Bond in the Moore movie. You can say that this is surface stuff and perhaps it is. But we didn't have the same feel of film. Bond never ordering a martini, briefing scene at his house, no Q scene, etc. There was a conscious decision to not play into some of things that Connery's Bond was associated with. Was this because of Moore? Not entirely but it was done to limit comparisons. Lazenby's Bond had remnants of gadgets in his drawers, a midget whistling GF, it had a Title Sequence shouting, This is the same guy! The comparisons to Connery grew and Lazenby came off as a poor imitation.

    If they simply cast a younger actor, give him the same things as Ford's Indy it will draw out comparisons to him. They need to find a way to have Indy be slightly different. Maybe tone, maybe era, but something needs to be different.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 484
    I enjoyed very much Dial Of Destiny this summer.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited August 20 Posts: 2,073
    Wondering if the Duffer brothers signing a Paramount deal means they'll be offered the Indy reboot?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 20 Posts: 18,884
    Paramount doesn't have Indy though?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 2,073
    Oops. I just remember the old logo?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 6,066
    Stumbled on to this trailer today. Looks like it continues from the highly decorated video game released last year?

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,884
    Must admit I don’t love the game as much as everyone else seemed to; I still haven’t finished it. I don’t think it really feels as Indy-like as I’d like, it’s not as much fun.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 484
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Wondering if the Duffer brothers signing a Paramount deal means they'll be offered the Indy reboot?
    Indy needs reboot with new leading actor.
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Wondering if the Duffer brothers signing a Paramount deal means they'll be offered the Indy reboot?
    Indy needs reboot with new leading actor.

    Set in which time frame ? The 30s and 40s ? Present-day ? The original concept was inspired by serials which had been shown in movie theaters in the 30s and 40s, with cliff-hanger endings. If you switch to TV with long-form Indy episodes, you could have cliff-hanger endings. However - the 30s and 40s Indy has been done, and done VERY well. In fact, they also hit the 50s and present-day. Time to switch the whole kit and kaboodle to modern-day ? Boy, whatever they do, it'll be weird if the character is supposed to be Indy, and not a son or other relative or just someone else entirely. Was that the plan with Shia LeBooooof ? Well, poor choice. He was no River Phoenix.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    edited August 22 Posts: 484
    Since62 wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Wondering if the Duffer brothers signing a Paramount deal means they'll be offered the Indy reboot?
    Indy needs reboot with new leading actor.

    Set in which time frame ? The 30s and 40s ? Present-day ? The original concept was inspired by serials which had been shown in movie theaters in the 30s and 40s, with cliff-hanger endings. If you switch to TV with long-form Indy episodes, you could have cliff-hanger endings. However - the 30s and 40s Indy has been done, and done VERY well. In fact, they also hit the 50s and present-day. Time to switch the whole kit and kaboodle to modern-day ? Boy, whatever they do, it'll be weird if the character is supposed to be Indy, and not a son or other relative or just someone else entirely. Was that the plan with Shia LeBooooof ? Well, poor choice. He was no River Phoenix.
    I think i want new Indy with capable actor in the present day. I dont have that good imagination so someone else have to make the story. Yes you are right more of Phoenix and less Labeouf.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 5,149
    MSL49 wrote: »
    I enjoyed very much Dial Of Destiny this summer.

    I did as well. It was harmless fun.
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Wondering if the Duffer brothers signing a Paramount deal means they'll be offered the Indy reboot?
    mtm wrote: »
    Paramount doesn't have Indy though?

    I know that Disney can't make more Indy material (movies and TV shows, at least) without their permission. They do own partial rights to it (hence their studio logo on DOD in the beginning).
    Since62 wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Wondering if the Duffer brothers signing a Paramount deal means they'll be offered the Indy reboot?
    Indy needs reboot with new leading actor.

    Set in which time frame ? The 30s and 40s ? Present-day ? The original concept was inspired by serials which had been shown in movie theaters in the 30s and 40s, with cliff-hanger endings. If you switch to TV with long-form Indy episodes, you could have cliff-hanger endings. However - the 30s and 40s Indy has been done, and done VERY well. In fact, they also hit the 50s and present-day. Time to switch the whole kit and kaboodle to modern-day ? Boy, whatever they do, it'll be weird if the character is supposed to be Indy, and not a son or other relative or just someone else entirely. Was that the plan with Shia LeBooooof ? Well, poor choice. He was no River Phoenix.

    I know that a prequel movie series was talked about before River Phoenix's death. I think that Mutt was looked at as the lead for the fifth movie originally. That arguably changed when CS was less popular than hoped. Then Shia badmouthed the movie, and continued his crazy rants and being mean and full of his ego. So his possible leading man of the movie went bye-bye.

    As for a reboot, it could honestly go anywhere. As for setting Indy present day, I think it's doable. It would just be very hard to pull off, honestly.
    thedove wrote: »
    Stumbled on to this trailer today. Looks like it continues from the highly decorated video game released last year?

    mtm wrote: »
    Must admit I don’t love the game as much as everyone else seemed to; I still haven’t finished it. I don’t think it really feels as Indy-like as I’d like, it’s not as much fun.

    I enjoyed it, and it seemed to give Indy the comeback he needed over the last two movies.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,884
    The movies were more fun though. The game just seems really plodding to me, the pace and wit of a real Indy adventure isn't there. It looks and feels gorgeous, but play it next to an Uncharted: that really feels like you're in an exciting action movie.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited 3:45pm Posts: 6,066
    Funny how Bond games have gone with the action route. Many many baddies for Bond to mow down with machine guns, car chases that feature tons of others chasing you down. Indy went more in line with their movie and it is leaving some wanting.

    I hope First Light strikes the right balance and we get action but not endless shoot ups. I applaud the game developers of Indy from not doing a shoot'em up. That was never Indy. Action and suspense yes, but never mowing down baddies by the hundreds.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,884
    I agree it’s great it’s not just a shoot ‘em up and indeed you’re dissuaded from shooting people on the whole: I love Uncharted but the scale on which Drake murders people is kind of staggering, especially given its movie-style feel. But it leads to Indy sneaking around an awful lot, which he does do to some extent in the movies but not this much. And I was also a bit unsure about the amount of tombs you raid: Indy doesn’t really visit that many in the movies. They’re more period action films with an occasional visit to a tomb.
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