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  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Even with Dalton doing a Third Bond film, I think @peter once said this that the critics and people are not kind to his Bond portrayal, as he's not that relatable enough and he stripped the fun off from Bond that people came to love, had he continued to be Bond after the legal hiatus, it would've put an end of the Franchise.

    If Dalton do another Bond film, I don't think it would've warmed the people to him still, especially if looking at how the critics viewed him in negative light.

    Brosnan managed to brought the great blend of Connery's suave and Moore's sophistication.

    If LTK had no Bond going rogue and departing too much from the formula or followed the same pattern as TLD, I think it would've done well, as James Bond already has a name, people back then were just alienated to see Bond gone rogue and brutal, which was a first at the time, just like people getting shocked with Bond getting married and having a dramatic ending in OHMSS.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 473
    Many other actors have said that Pierce really wanted the Bond role. Neill said he wouldnt have been take the role if he was selected. I would say its a big difference.
  • edited 1:00pm Posts: 5,800
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Even with Dalton doing a Third Bond film, I think @peter once said this that the critics and people are not kind to his Bond portrayal, as he's not that relatable enough and he stripped the fun off from Bond that people came to love, had he continued to be Bond after the legal hiatus, it would've put an end of the Franchise.

    Insofar as it's all hypothetical, who knows? My suspicion is that's very unlikely though, even if Dalton had returned after the six years. Again, Bond had been around for a while, and a change in direction for Dalton's era would have looked very similar to the GE we got in all likelihood - the story, when it would have come out etc. If framed as Bond's triumphant return I think it could have been successful. As successful as the GE we got? No, not necessarily (although not necessarily not either), and ultimately this would be such a different timeline it's tricky to say where it would have gone from there. But as much as it was a critical time for Bond, and they made the right choices to ensure its success, I don't think Dalton himself would have tanked the franchise (critics were quite harsh on new Bonds anyway at that time, probably because they still had Connery at the back of their mind. Moore had a fair bit of criticism in his early films from them too).
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    If Dalton do another Bond film, I don't think it would've warmed the people to him still, especially if looking at how the critics viewed him in negative light.

    I don't see any reason why they wouldn't have. I think he was good enough an actor, and they seemed to work out how to play to his strengths and depict his Bond.
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    If LTK had no Bond going rogue and departing too much from the formula or followed the same pattern as TLD, I think it would've done well, as James Bond already has a name, people back then were just alienated to see Bond gone rogue and brutal, which was a first at the time, just like people getting shocked with Bond getting married and having a dramatic ending in OHMSS.

    Oh, I highly doubt a more formulaic film would have done any better, at least in itself. Again, look at Bond's reputation at the time (this was in the midst of the action movie era of the 80s, and it's understandable to see why questions about Bond's relevancy were asked, not dissimilar to how people questioned Bond's relevancy during the stretch of the Craig era where we got MI films and other big franchises supposedly 'outshining' the franchise. And obviously look at where we are now). Look at the films LTK went against that year (honestly, it's kind of an extraordinary situation. Not dissimilar to the films OHMSS went up against in '69 in its own way).

    The more revenge driven, brutal take on a Bond adventure was arguably even a way of trying to maximise success at that time. There's definitely a Die Hard/Lethal Weapon element to it, and much like OHMSS there's no reason why a 'different' Bond adventure like that couldn't have worked. I think as is the case with these things it comes down to a number of factors, and only a certain amount has anything to do with the film itself (another reason I've seen cited is that the marketing wasn't as strong for this film as it could have been).

    That said, this film made money. It didn't flop. It's certainly not an embarrassment of a film either.
  • Posts: 8,495
    In John Glens excellent book 'For My Eyes Only', he states that LTK tested better with audiences than any other Bond film previous! But even he states that it had a poor marketing campaign ( I was an avid cinemagoer at the time, and recall only seeing the trailer once!) And of course 1989 belonged to 'Batman' , it was everywhere in its promotion ( a film which I remember being very bored with, the sequel was better!)
    To quote Cubby also "No Bond .movie ever lost money!" Who knows about GE , the money men sounded like they weren't going to bankroll another Bond film with Dalton, I prefer to believe the story Dalton only wanted to come back for One, and Cubby wanted him to do several! I certainly dont believe the series would have ended if he came back, that's just nonsense. Bond always did well in Europe, and I think he could well have carried on! To end, it is satisfying to see him and his two films reappraised , and he was ahead of his time, with Craig was getting lauded for what Dalton was trying to do with the character, make him more human!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,868
    Yeah, if Bond17 had Dalton it would have done fine, but I tend to agree with the folks above that they made the choice in relaunching with a new actor, and that Brosnan was the right guy at the right time: sometimes you just need a new actor to send out a signal to the audience.
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