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Denis Villeneuve Announced as Bond 26 Director

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  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited August 14 Posts: 5,762
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, it should be set in our world and chime with today’s fears, although I also remember one of the producers around the time of CR or QOS saying, and it might have been Craig himself, that there always should be ‘a baddie with a bag of cash’ at the end of it, not a villain driven by any sort of real world ideology.

    That’s interesting. It depends on the villain I suppose. Someone like Hugo Drax is initially presented as a baddie with a bag of cash, but by the end of MR we learn he’s definitely got a eugenics driven ideology. You get that weird inverse with certain Bond villains I guess.

    Yes, there's exceptions, and why I was careful to say 'real world ideology'! :D
    Drax and Stromberg are driven by ideology, but it's fairly fantastical and harmless to us watching it.

    I guess the only baddies driven by actual real world political ideology would be, what, Orlov and the Chinese behind SPECTRE's scheme in YOLT? So secondary villains really- they both employ the main villains who are in it for the money (well, we assume that's what Kamal Khan is in it for: we never really find out!). I guess FYEO might count, but that's really only an opportunistic skirmish rather than grand evil plan. Otherwise pretty much everyone else is just driven by making money, especially in the Craig movies (Safin's scheme might be in part racist but it's kind of unclear).

    You're right that they all take place in the present day world with current concerns though. I was trying to think which of the pre-Brosnans don't make reference to the Cold War. Maybe GF, LALD, MR and LTK? Is that it? Or is it even in those?

    Yeah, despite the heavy Nazi elements in Drax, it’s pretty fantastical. I guess Gustav Graves/Colonel Moon has an ideological component to his plan in the interests of North Korea, but even that’s shrouded a bit in his opportunistic wealth.

    I suppose Bond villains just have to be a bit greedy/opportunistic in their evil plans.

    I suppose Gogol shows up in MR. Can’t remember about the rest. At any rate all those films have other real world concerns they integrated in there.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh yes, good points, I forgot about Graves & MR Gogol.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Generally the Bond films tend to subvert the fears of the day rather than lean into them. The message of the Cold War Bond films is usually to reassure the audience that the Russians don’t want a nuclear war, it’s some third party; the same for DAD - it’s not the North Korean leadership pushing for an invasion of South Korea, it’s a rogue element. The general public don’t want to leave the cinema afraid, they want to be reassured their happiness and well-being is not balanced on a knife-edge.

    We’re not going to get the new movie taking a hard look at America’s political issues, or the Ukraine, or what social and political forces are driving the Israel/Palestine conflict. Supervillains, rogue masterminds, shadowy secret cabals of unelected puppet masters, that’s what we’ll get. They’re probably kicking themselves that Mission:Impossible got to the rogue AI first. I wouldn’t be surprised to find a fictional military contractor in the vein of Blackwater as our villain of the hour.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Good choice but someone like Danny Boyle could have been good too.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    Generally the Bond films tend to subvert the fears of the day rather than lean into them. The message of the Cold War Bond films is usually to reassure the audience that the Russians don’t want a nuclear war, it’s some third party; the same for DAD - it’s not the North Korean leadership pushing for an invasion of South Korea, it’s a rogue element. The general public don’t want to leave the cinema afraid, they want to be reassured their happiness and well-being is not balanced on a knife-edge.

    We’re not going to get the new movie taking a hard look at America’s political issues, or the Ukraine, or what social and political forces are driving the Israel/Palestine conflict. Supervillains, rogue masterminds, shadowy secret cabals of unelected puppet masters, that’s what we’ll get. They’re probably kicking themselves that Mission:Impossible got to the rogue AI first. I wouldn’t be surprised to find a fictional military contractor in the vein of Blackwater as our villain of the hour.

    Very well put, @sandbagger1, and I share your thoughts. Let's also not forget that this new film will be made under the Amazon umbrella. They cannot come up with a Bond film that politically coloured either way.

    Honestly, I wouldn't mind a return of SPECTRE. It still is the easiest solution. A dark, secret, sinister organization with tentacles in every conflict worldwide? No complicated politics, just good vs. evil.
  • BurgessBurgess
    edited August 15 Posts: 480
    Seve wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    If that were true then no film with any commentary or messaging would do well at the box office. But we know that’s not true. Apocalypse Now, for example, is a film adapted from a novel about the horrors of colonialism that comments on the horrors of imperialism using the Vietnam War as a backdrop.

    But that's not what I said
    I said "beat you over the head with an unsubtle political message"?
    I did not disparage War movies or Political movies as a genre
    Their success will depend on the same set of elements as any other movie, script, directing, acting etc and probably include a degree of "subtley"

    When you choose to go along to "Apocalypse Now" or "The Killing Fields" etc you know what you are getting into.

    If a Bond movie suddenly dished up overt and specific political messaging of the type you are suggesting, most of the audience would be turned off and wouldn't go to see it, because a political lecture is not what an audience is looking for from a Bond movie.
    Burgess wrote: »
    War films have been popular since All Quiet On The Western Front won Best Picture.
    How many WWII films were made while WWII was actually happening?!

    Different circumstances. When a country directly involved in a war is making a movie, then there is national interest, if not survival, at stake, and there will inevitably be a propaganda agenda. The audience is anxious and wants to be encouraged and reassured that their cause is just and that they will come out on top, it's basic human nature.

    Hence there will always a number of movies that come out showing war in a more positive light when America is getting involved in one, or a spat of space movies when America decides it's time to go back into space etc

    Wars involving other people, not so much.
    Burgess wrote: »
    How many films were made about the Cold War while the Cold War was raging?

    The period I sited was a brief one where many feared the Cold War was about become WW3

    Have a look for yourself, I think you'll find that few were made in the period I specified and those that were tried to avoid being too provocative to the Russians.

    Pressure eased again after Khruschev was deposed in 1964, but Bond emerged right in the thick of it.
    Burgess wrote: »
    Political commentary on current affairs isn’t what Bond films have been about but that doesn’t mean they can’t and it doesn’t mean that they can’t do it well.

    Good luck with that, I don't think you'll find many who want to see it happen

    File under "controverial opinions about JB"

    You sound offended. It’s a forum where people speculate on “what if?” and openly wonder about “what could be.”

    But I’ll add that 2028 is going to be a significantly different world than 2025. In as much as 2021 was a different world than 2015 and so on. Blockbuster filmmaking is in a pickle. The marketplace is stuffed with fantasy that just isn’t playing with audiences as it did before COVID. If Casino Royale is Bond’s response to Bourne post Die Another Day (and 9/11) what will Bond 26 be in the aftermath of a dwindling blockbuster marketplace and COVID and American Protectionism and the rise of fascism and Brexit?

    Dune is overtly political. Sicario is overtly political. Peaky Blinders is overtly political. You don’t hire Villeneuve and Knight to create Tomorrow Never Dies. You hire them to push Bond into new areas; to break new ground.

    I don’t think Bond 26 will be an Oliver Stone film, but there’s plenty of space to fill by some very talented and smart artists who’s CVs show how much they’re willing to play with boundaries to tell a compelling and relevant story.



  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    Love the idea that the 00s are back to being the cutting edge of British foreign policy instead of some old, dirty secret. After all, Bond pretty much always has been the way for the Empire to still punch in it's old weightclass.

    We are not now that strength which in old days
    Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
    One equal temper of heroic hearts,
    Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
    To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

    [and if you don't hear that in her voice with the music, I don't even know]
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 15 Posts: 9,158
    The euros are taking place in the UK in 2028, and the final is Sunday 9th of July.

    Imagine if Bond 26 premiere took place on Thursday July the 13th, just four days later. The whole country would be buzzing!
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    The euros are taking place in the UK in 2028, and the final is Sunday 9th of July.

    Imagine if Bond 26 premiere took place on Thursday July the 13th, just four days later. The whole country would be buzzing!

    Why?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    What are "the euros"?
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited August 15 Posts: 5,762
    Now that they've gotten going, 2027 isn't impossible I guess. But they'd really have to get to filming by 2026, and obviously we have no release date or main actor yet. It could happen assuming it overlaps with post production for Dune 3 (which is possible, certainly, and it even seems like they're doing very early work for casting/readings). It really is a long haul process for these things though.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Now that they've gotten going, 2027 isn't impossible I guess. But they'd really have to get to filming by 2026, and obviously we have no release date or main actor yet. It could happen assuming it overlaps with post production for Dune 3 (which is possible, certainly, and it even seems like they're doing very early work for casting/readings). It really is a long haul process for these things though.

    Doesn't that mean Villeneuve would have to skip the press tour for Dune 3? Seems unlikely to happen.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    How long is a press tour?
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Now that they've gotten going, 2027 isn't impossible I guess. But they'd really have to get to filming by 2026, and obviously we have no release date or main actor yet. It could happen assuming it overlaps with post production for Dune 3 (which is possible, certainly, and it even seems like they're doing very early work for casting/readings). It really is a long haul process for these things though.

    Doesn't that mean Villeneuve would have to skip the press tour for Dune 3? Seems unlikely to happen.

    I suppose it could be done (as big a director Villeneuve is, the actors in the film are more high profile publicity-wise, and ultimately the director of this film being the new Bond director will probably drum up a bit of extra press even if he's not there in person!) But honestly, I have no idea.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Now that they've gotten going, 2027 isn't impossible I guess. But they'd really have to get to filming by 2026, and obviously we have no release date or main actor yet. It could happen assuming it overlaps with post production for Dune 3 (which is possible, certainly, and it even seems like they're doing very early work for casting/readings). It really is a long haul process for these things though.

    Doesn't that mean Villeneuve would have to skip the press tour for Dune 3? Seems unlikely to happen.

    I suppose it could be done (as big a director Villeneuve is, the actors in the film are more high profile publicity-wise, and ultimately the director of this film being the new Bond director will probably drum up a bit of extra press even if he's not there in person!) But honestly, I have no idea.

    They could maybe allocate some time for him to do video interviews for Dune promos during shooting, and just skip the premieres?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    So, how long is a press tour generally?
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited August 15 Posts: 5,762
    Benny wrote: »
    So, how long is a press tour generally?

    Weeks or a month, maybe a bit longer. I think it depends though.
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Now that they've gotten going, 2027 isn't impossible I guess. But they'd really have to get to filming by 2026, and obviously we have no release date or main actor yet. It could happen assuming it overlaps with post production for Dune 3 (which is possible, certainly, and it even seems like they're doing very early work for casting/readings). It really is a long haul process for these things though.

    Doesn't that mean Villeneuve would have to skip the press tour for Dune 3? Seems unlikely to happen.

    I suppose it could be done (as big a director Villeneuve is, the actors in the film are more high profile publicity-wise, and ultimately the director of this film being the new Bond director will probably drum up a bit of extra press even if he's not there in person!) But honestly, I have no idea.

    They could maybe allocate some time for him to do video interviews for Dune promos during shooting, and just skip the premieres?

    I suppose he could. I think with the cast they have they'll be fine putting them front and centre.

    It really depends on how fast they can get things rolling. It's of course not just a case of Villeneuve, but getting crew, locations, cast, and all the other work that goes into this. Then of course after shooting how long post production will take (Bond isn't quite as VFX heavy as something like Dune, but it takes time). Again, we don't even have a release date yet...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I still don't know what "the euros" are.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited August 15 Posts: 5,762
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I still don't know what "the euros" are.

    Football or something ;) The sort of thing England never wins. At least for the men's league I should probably say...
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I still don't know what "the euros" are.

    Maybe Eurovision?
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2028 For all the non-football fans. It's being hosted in the UK and Ireland in 2028. That's what Mendes means.

    It's the sort of thing where I don't think they'd set a release date around it. But if it happened to be the autumn afterwards, maybe with a promo for Bond 26 at the Euros it'd help drum up excitement... maybe.
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
    edited August 15 Posts: 493
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    What are "the euros"?

    European Footballing Championship that occurs every 4 years (as in the tournament that England Women won just this summer). Probably, in terms of popularity the second biggest international football competition (behind the World Cup).

    I think the logic was that with the tournament occurring in England (and Scotland, Wales and Ireland) in 2028 that there would be a rise in patriotism. It isn't an unfounded idea, because in 1996 (in England) there was quite a rise in national pride.

    I don't know if the Euros are a good strategy though. Even if any minor football fan pays attention to them, there are a lot of people who don't, and the Euros doesn't have the argument of being the pinnacle of sport like the World Cup or the Olympics.

    More importantly, I think success also matters as well. In the Olympics, the UK were pretty much guaranteed at least some silverware because they're one of the countries that have a serious competitor in many events. If the UK favourite for shot-put don't win, doesn't matter, there's the UK favourite in gymnastics who can win and save the day, and if they don't there's diving and so on. If England perform poorly at the Euros (which there is always at chance of), there's no one to save day, and that's not going to generate much excitement or patriotism.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Do Amazon care about ‘the euros’ though.
    Yes, Bond is British secret service. But does anyone globally care about European soccer?
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
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    Benny wrote: »
    Do Amazon care about ‘the euros’ though.
    Yes, Bond is British secret service. But does anyone globally care about European soccer?

    Yes. The Euros are extremely popular, even on the western side of the Atlantic
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited August 15 Posts: 5,762
    I worked in a pub during the summer of 2018 which was the World Cup year. I have never seen a sense of patriotism fall as fast as when England were knocked out.

    I agree, it's not quite like the Olympics. The Euros don't quite have opening ceremonies like the Olympics, do they? Something where having the Bond actor make an appearance could work. I don't watch football so don't know one way or the other. And again, from what I do know Brits rarely come away from big football championships with a sense of patriotism.

    But honestly, they should take any good PR opportunity if it's available to them. But I don't think this would be quite an Olympic situation.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 15 Posts: 9,158
    Benny wrote: »
    Do Amazon care about ‘the euros’ though.
    Yes, Bond is British secret service. But does anyone globally care about European soccer?

    More people watch the euros than the Superbowl and film studios are always planning trailers with that in mind, so I guess, maybe it could apply?

    I would love Bond 26 to release in 2027, because it would open up the possibility of Bond 27 being one of the last major releases of the decade, which I think is cool for a Bond film (happened for OHMSS as well - good omen?).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm sorry. I didn't know. I stay away from televised sports like mice stay away from hungry cats. Thank you for clarifying, though.

    Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Amazon would worry about sports events. I'm not sure their target demographics have such a huge overlap.
  • BurgessBurgess
    edited August 15 Posts: 480
    Benny wrote: »
    Do Amazon care about ‘the euros’ though.
    Yes, Bond is British secret service. But does anyone globally care about European soccer?

    I think the point being made is that studios like cross promotion. Most people don’t drive Aston Martins or wear Omega Watches but the cross promotion of brands may pique the interest of audiences, users and aficionados in other spheres of cultural and entertainment influence.

    Studios also market their movies to particular demographics in culturally specific ways. That’s why movies get Super Bowl commercials in America or advertise during the NBA Finals. Obviously, the UK is Bond’s biggest market. I’m sure Amazon would like to reassert Bond’s dominance in that market as a cultural icon and moneymaking machine.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm sorry. I didn't know. I stay away from televised sports like mice stay away from hungry cats. Thank you for clarifying, though.

    Anyway, I sincerely doubt that Amazon would worry about sports events. I'm not sure their target demographics have such a huge overlap.

    With people who like sports?

    Who is it that you feel is Amazon's target demographic?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I guess my point is, would the box office for Bond 26, change that drastically if it was released after Euro 28?

    What if England crash out early in the competition?
    What if the next actor faces the media scrutiny of Craig?
    It’s a bloody big ask to be frank.
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