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For my part, I couldn't give a stuff if a an illustration of a face, an arm or whatever else was 'borrowed' from previous artwork, as long as they were pleasing to my eyes. But if it were found the Folio Fleming illustrations weren't 100% original, it does rather put Folio in an awkward position, being a publisher of integrity.
I suspect this might be the 'reasons beyond our control' that Major Boothroyd mentioned earlier on this thread. But that's just guesswork.
Regardless of the controversy, like FoxRox and NickTwentyTwo, I want Dalton doing Octopussy and the Living Daylights.
Please.
Plagiarized art credited to Dalton on an MTG Card:
IMO, looks quite a bit different than her Folio style.
A Magic: The Gathering card credit to Dalton that looks much more like the Folio style:
The conclusion I'm drawing (pun) here is that I think Dalton has done a mix of original art, and collage-style art without proper accreditation, and my hope is that the Folio art (and this one example card) is original.
Not Bond related but I felt that it fit in here.
I'm not adept in the world of graphic illustration, but where do you draw the line in terms of plagiarism or modeling from existing work?
Always admired these editions, but I was planning on holding off on them until they’d completed the set. But it’s been so long now since they started (and I don’t have enough experience with Folio to know how long their editions might stay in print) that I’ve caved and started collecting. Already have Casino Royale and the next three up to Diamonds are on their way.
As for Colonel Sun, I guess I might be the only person who’d love to see Folio do it in a matching style. It’s the one continuation novel I rank up with Fleming’s best (whisper it quietly, but I actually like it more than some of the Fleming novels) and I’d love to see it get the same treatment to make a beautiful matching set.
I'd wholeheartedly agree with that. I do consider Colonel Sun the best continuation Bond novel by a country mile. I'd be all for its inclusion along with the Fleming Bond novels in this set once they get Octopussy out of the way. In fact, Colonel Sun was printed in the same Pan series of covers in the 1960s and continued to be into the 1970s and 80s with the Triad Panther covers. So it would be appropriate for inclusion in this Folio set too. Whether it ever will be is anybody's guess though.
Don't get me wrong, I like the book, but do I want a none-Fleming book as part of my Folio collection?
It's an awkward one.
As for Octopussy, I get excited every time I see a new post on this thread, to be honest. And then I look, and . . .
I think it deserves its reputation, certainly.
I'd have to re-read it to see if I prefer it over Fleming, but I have to admit, when I read Horrowitz's With a Mind to Kill a couple of years ago, right after a Golden Gun re-read, I enjoyed WAMTK more. Of course, it was a new story, compared to GG's well-known adventure, so you have to take that into account.
Yes, that's true regarding Colonel Sun's elevated reputation within the literary Bond oeuvre. It was lumped in with the Fleming books in the marketing around the Pan Books editions and the later Triad/Panther and Coronet editions too.
Another book that tender to be lumped in with both the original Flemings and Colonel Sun was John Pearson's James Bond: The Authorised Biography (1973). It had a matching "still life" Pan Books cover which even Colonel Sun didn't have. It was also listed along with the Fleming novels and Colonel Sun. It has its own sense of legitimacy as Pearson worked under Fleming at the Sunday Times and so was the only Bond continuation author who knew Fleming very well. The only other Bond author who ever met Fleming was Kingsley Amis on two or three occasions.
For what it’s worth, I doubt they’d do it either.
But personally I would like them to.
Come on Folio, it's not like you have to wait for the author to finish the manuscript, is it?
I believe the delay has something to do with the artist Fay Dalton being embroiled in some sort of art plagiarism scandal.
Surely, all it needs is . .
"Hey Fay, make sure your artwork for Pussy is all original, eh?
cheers, lass"
It's not as easy as that in the publishing world, I suppose.
Thank you so much for your interest in this saga that we are close to completing, hopefully very soon! It has definitely been some time now, I have to agree.
Whilst we still have not got an up to date release date, production stages were significantly moving further as of last month, so fingers crossed this will not take much longer and we can finally announce its completion.
For 'Octopussy...', I got hinted (though not completely confirmed) that it will most likely include other short stories too.
Excellent. Thanks for sharing.
I just recently started a first read through the Folios. Finished Live and Let Die a few days ago, and currently own the books up to Dr. No. Hopefully by the time I get to Octopussy… it’ll be ready to go!
That made me laugh, because I actually did get excited! (I'm one of the people with an almost full set, just lacking pussy. Y'know).
Glad you're enjoying your Folios, and I agree with you on 'Spy'. The artwork is lovely, especially the slipcase cover.
I sent in a very similar inquiry about the status of Octopussy & The Living Daylights and got a similar response, with one additional piece of information: the art will not be by Fay Dalton (and, that the art is complete, by whomever is replacing her). Not sure if this is new info for people but I thought it was noteworthy all the same.
Wow, that's quite a big piece of news as these things go. We can only speculate that it's as a result of the controversy mentioned earlier on this thread. And I suspect that's also the reason for the delay.
Thanks for keeping us up to date, guys.
It's strange really, as she looks more than capable of making good, original artwork.
And really, if it transpired that some of FD's work for the Folios was borrowed from somewhere else, it wouldn't affect my enjoyment of the editions a jot.
What do other Folio collectors thin about this?
My feelings . . . it's a shame she's not finishing the set.
I’m also really bummed out she won’t finish when there was just one lousy thing left to go. Selfishly it’s just an absolute killer to my need for order and unity.
You are in for a treat! I think OP is the best of the short stories. Fleming aspired to be a Somerset Maugham with Quantum of Solace, but I think OP is even better rounded as a story. As if Fleming took all of his passions and obsessions and fears developed over many novels and distilled them into a short story.
I also have so much love for Octopussy but could never quite articulate the reason; this is a good summation.
As for Dalton's Folio work, I (naively, and optimistically, maybe) think that she did both original paintings and "collage work"; the latter has been the subject of the plagiarism and I believe the Folio paintings are original. The examples of the work accused of plagiarism is just too different to what she's done for the novels (IMO). Regardless, it makes sense Folio would want to distance themselves, but it is a shame we won't have a full collection with the same artist.