Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think the best way to describe how comic booky it is is that it’s like actually picking up the most current issue comic as your first introduction into Superman. You can imagine the previous issue ended on a cliffhanger that ends with Superman losing his first battle, and the new issue just picks up from there.
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    I think the best way to describe how comic booky it is is that it’s like actually picking up the most current issue comic as your first introduction into Superman. You can imagine the previous issue ended on a cliffhanger that ends with Superman losing his first battle, and the new issue just picks up from there.

    Yeah, that’s fine, but personally I couldn’t care less about comic books and like many people am not going to read them. Sorry, but that’s how I approached this film. I need context and I found it hard to understand chunks of this (rather good) film.

    I know I sound like a stickler but I need context in something I’m watching. If not I don’t care.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think Gunn was wise to dop us "in media res". No origin story, not too many "beginnings" of anything. Let's skip the bits that hold us back and dive into the story without a clue whatsoever. What I love most about this Superman is that he isn't slowly built as a messianic figure or divinity. Gunn trusts us to know who he is, who Luthor is, who Lois is, and so on. Like a comic written by Grant Morrisson, the film invites us to hop on board, figure out the bits that we need along the way, and have a good time with the adventure. Every minute of this film is spent on its main story; no time was borrowed or added for origin stories and whatnot.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think the best way to describe how comic booky it is is that it’s like actually picking up the most current issue comic as your first introduction into Superman. You can imagine the previous issue ended on a cliffhanger that ends with Superman losing his first battle, and the new issue just picks up from there.

    Yeah, that’s fine, but personally I couldn’t care less about comic books and like many people am not going to read them. Sorry, but that’s how I approached this film. I need context and I found it hard to understand chunks of this (rather good) film.

    I know I sound like a stickler but I need context in something I’m watching. If not I don’t care.

    I didn’t say you need read comics to understand. The Justice characters for example are actually the first time I’ve ever seen them in any medium and I felt I got to know them just enough in the context of the story. I guess a better comparison is the original STAR WARS where you get the opening crawl catching you up on events that just happened and get thrown into the middle of the story where you learn things as it goes.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I think Gunn was wise to dop us "in media res". No origin story, not too many "beginnings" of anything. Let's skip the bits that hold us back and dive into the story without a clue whatsoever. What I love most about this Superman is that he isn't slowly built as a messianic figure or divinity. Gunn trusts us to know who he is, who Luthor is, who Lois is, and so on. Like a comic written by Grant Morrisson, the film invites us to hop on board, figure out the bits that we need along the way, and have a good time with the adventure. Every minute of this film is spent on its main story; no time was borrowed or added for origin stories and whatnot.

    To me it made me feel like I lived in that world. Like the experience of encountering Superman for the first time in your day to day life.
  • edited July 17 Posts: 5,611
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think the best way to describe how comic booky it is is that it’s like actually picking up the most current issue comic as your first introduction into Superman. You can imagine the previous issue ended on a cliffhanger that ends with Superman losing his first battle, and the new issue just picks up from there.

    Yeah, that’s fine, but personally I couldn’t care less about comic books and like many people am not going to read them. Sorry, but that’s how I approached this film. I need context and I found it hard to understand chunks of this (rather good) film.

    I know I sound like a stickler but I need context in something I’m watching. If not I don’t care.

    I didn’t say you need read comics to understand. The Justice characters for example are actually the first time I’ve ever seen them in any medium and I felt I got to know them just enough in the context of the story. I guess a better comparison is the original STAR WARS where you get the opening crawl catching you up on events that just happened and get thrown into the middle of the story where you learn things as it goes.

    Fair. Maybe it’s just me man, but I felt a bit too thrown into the whole story. I feel I needed a bit more context about Luthor’s antagonism with Superman (not just a ham fisted speech at the end) or who these random people were helping him. Just felt a bit off to me… I don’t know.

    I’m glad most people seemed to like it. Honestly. But no, it wasn’t my cup of tea. Something about the film felt off in my opinion.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I think Gunn was wise to dop us "in media res". No origin story, not too many "beginnings" of anything. Let's skip the bits that hold us back and dive into the story without a clue whatsoever. What I love most about this Superman is that he isn't slowly built as a messianic figure or divinity. Gunn trusts us to know who he is, who Luthor is, who Lois is, and so on. Like a comic written by Grant Morrisson, the film invites us to hop on board, figure out the bits that we need along the way, and have a good time with the adventure. Every minute of this film is spent on its main story; no time was borrowed or added for origin stories and whatnot.

    I don't think the problem some people have is being dropped "in media res", but that Gunn just didn't do it very effectively.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    To be honest? I'm just happy that DC is finally stepping off the shadow of the Snyderverse (well, for most people at least.)
    Not that i hate it, it’s just that Zack's vision has already done enough to the characters' image.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Snyder’s vision is one thing, but I think what hurt the films more than simply a choice of tone was really the writing. Snyder seems like a nice guy, but in so many interviews I see with him he’s really terrible at trying to articulate his thoughts. It just comes out as word salad, and I think we see this reflected in the scripts.

    For example, there’s that infamous scene where Clark asks Pa Kent “what was I supposed to do, let [a bus full of school children] die?” and Pa’s reply is “maybe” he delivers with uncertainty. If I were attached to the film, I would have strongly suggested that Pa Kent say “I don’t know” to emphasize the fact he doesn’t have the answers, because saying “maybe” makes it sounds like letting school children is a viable option. If they had Pa say “I’m not sure”, that would have made a world of difference and there wouldn’t be so much griping by fans over how Pa was portrayed.

    But that’s just ONE example.

    I think Snyder feels more at home with something like WATCHMEN, which deconstructs the superhero genre. That’s not the kind of mindset that works with SUPERMAN, in fact that’s why WATCHMEN was originally composed of new characters in the first place because the DC heroes wouldn’t have worked under that conceit.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think the best way to describe how comic booky it is is that it’s like actually picking up the most current issue comic as your first introduction into Superman. You can imagine the previous issue ended on a cliffhanger that ends with Superman losing his first battle, and the new issue just picks up from there.

    Yeah, that’s fine, but personally I couldn’t care less about comic books and like many people am not going to read them. Sorry, but that’s how I approached this film. I need context and I found it hard to understand chunks of this (rather good) film.

    I know I sound like a stickler but I need context in something I’m watching. If not I don’t care.

    I didn’t say you need read comics to understand. The Justice characters for example are actually the first time I’ve ever seen them in any medium and I felt I got to know them just enough in the context of the story. I guess a better comparison is the original STAR WARS where you get the opening crawl catching you up on events that just happened and get thrown into the middle of the story where you learn things as it goes.

    Fair. Maybe it’s just me man, but I felt a bit too thrown into the whole story. I feel I needed a bit more context about Luthor’s antagonism with Superman (not just a ham fisted speech at the end) or who these random people were helping him. Just felt a bit off to me… I don’t know.

    I’m glad most people seemed to like it. Honestly. But no, it wasn’t my cup of tea. Something about the film felt off in my opinion.

    I'm in your camp @007HallY people I have chatted with say, please no origin story. I agree, I don't need to see Superman fly to earth and all that. But I do need a better understanding of where things are and who is who. Yes we have seen some of these characters before, but this is all new.
    I have no understanding of Lex other than he's really rich and hates Superman because he's an "it". I have no understanding of the relationship between Superman and Lois, dated for years, dated for a few months? The by the mid way point the only character whose motivation I understood was Lex. Superman did some un-Superman type things in my opinion and I wasn't sure why.

    I found the humour problematic in a few scenes, we had some real tender, dramatic moments and gag! It got to be repetitive and took away from my emotional tie to the movie. This somewhat surprised me as GOG Volume 3 hit in the feels with the Rocket backstory. Gunn can do emotional scenes, but for whatever reason it seemed whenever we got close to that it was time for a joke.

    I really wanted to like this movie, I was excited to see it, I left the theatre saying "meh". I should have left the theatre fist pumping excited for the next adventure. I didn't have that feeling at all.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I think Gunn was wise to dop us "in media res". No origin story, not too many "beginnings" of anything. Let's skip the bits that hold us back and dive into the story without a clue whatsoever. What I love most about this Superman is that he isn't slowly built as a messianic figure or divinity. Gunn trusts us to know who he is, who Luthor is, who Lois is, and so on. Like a comic written by Grant Morrisson, the film invites us to hop on board, figure out the bits that we need along the way, and have a good time with the adventure. Every minute of this film is spent on its main story; no time was borrowed or added for origin stories and whatnot.

    I like that they didn't do the origin again but I think they should have shown Superman stopping the attack as the opening and then actually shown the reprisal attack that turns people against him. Was weird that arguably the most important events of the movie happen off screen.
  • edited July 18 Posts: 2,234
    An Elon Musk clone as a Bond villain would seem lazy to me. If they can avoid that trap, all the better.
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    thedove wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I think the best way to describe how comic booky it is is that it’s like actually picking up the most current issue comic as your first introduction into Superman. You can imagine the previous issue ended on a cliffhanger that ends with Superman losing his first battle, and the new issue just picks up from there.

    Yeah, that’s fine, but personally I couldn’t care less about comic books and like many people am not going to read them. Sorry, but that’s how I approached this film. I need context and I found it hard to understand chunks of this (rather good) film.

    I know I sound like a stickler but I need context in something I’m watching. If not I don’t care.

    I didn’t say you need read comics to understand. The Justice characters for example are actually the first time I’ve ever seen them in any medium and I felt I got to know them just enough in the context of the story. I guess a better comparison is the original STAR WARS where you get the opening crawl catching you up on events that just happened and get thrown into the middle of the story where you learn things as it goes.

    Fair. Maybe it’s just me man, but I felt a bit too thrown into the whole story. I feel I needed a bit more context about Luthor’s antagonism with Superman (not just a ham fisted speech at the end) or who these random people were helping him. Just felt a bit off to me… I don’t know.

    I’m glad most people seemed to like it. Honestly. But no, it wasn’t my cup of tea. Something about the film felt off in my opinion.

    I'm in your camp @007HallY people I have chatted with say, please no origin story. I agree, I don't need to see Superman fly to earth and all that. But I do need a better understanding of where things are and who is who. Yes we have seen some of these characters before, but this is all new.
    I have no understanding of Lex other than he's really rich and hates Superman because he's an "it". I have no understanding of the relationship between Superman and Lois, dated for years, dated for a few months? The by the mid way point the only character whose motivation I understood was Lex. Superman did some un-Superman type things in my opinion and I wasn't sure why.

    I found the humour problematic in a few scenes, we had some real tender, dramatic moments and gag! It got to be repetitive and took away from my emotional tie to the movie. This somewhat surprised me as GOG Volume 3 hit in the feels with the Rocket backstory. Gunn can do emotional scenes, but for whatever reason it seemed whenever we got close to that it was time for a joke.

    I really wanted to like this movie, I was excited to see it, I left the theatre saying "meh". I should have left the theatre fist pumping excited for the next adventure. I didn't have that feeling at all.

    That was exactly my reaction too. I didn’t mind the humour but there were a couple of moments where I got that sense.
    Krypto throwing Luthor around at the end being one. Felt very much like the gag where Hulk threw around Loki at the end of Avengers.

    It’s such a shame. They did such a great job advertising and marketing this film. The cast are genuinely very good. As I said there’s a particular story choice I loved. But I found the expirience of watching it so average, and the disappointment coming out a bit deflating.
    CountJohn wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I think Gunn was wise to dop us "in media res". No origin story, not too many "beginnings" of anything. Let's skip the bits that hold us back and dive into the story without a clue whatsoever. What I love most about this Superman is that he isn't slowly built as a messianic figure or divinity. Gunn trusts us to know who he is, who Luthor is, who Lois is, and so on. Like a comic written by Grant Morrisson, the film invites us to hop on board, figure out the bits that we need along the way, and have a good time with the adventure. Every minute of this film is spent on its main story; no time was borrowed or added for origin stories and whatnot.

    I like that they didn't do the origin again but I think they should have shown Superman stopping the attack as the opening and then actually shown the reprisal attack that turns people against him. Was weird that arguably the most important events of the movie happen off screen.

    Yes, there’s this sense we’re just kind of plonked into the middle of the story. Very little build up. Man Of Steel had a similar issue, but at the very least that film took the effort to establish its main character (it didn’t do it very well mind, and the non linear format means certain story beats feel out of place in regards to Superman, but it’s there).

    It’s a tricky film to get invested in, or at least I thought it was. There is a compelling film in there but something’s not quite right (I think your solution about changing the first act in that way is a good one).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Gotta disagree about the gag with the dog. That scene got a BIG response from both screenings I went to, especially from the kids.

    Seeing the first fight before Superman’s defeat might have felt repetitive because even in the rematch Superman gets pummeled again anyway. I thought the opening text establishing things in a way that was concise and ending it with “3 minutes ago, Superman lost his first battle” and then seeing him slam into the ice made for a compelling opening hook for the movie. We’re being introduced to a DC world that not only already has a history with Superman but even centuries of super powered beings having existed.

    You could even say there’s a meta aspect to the opening of the movie. The DC brand has been beaten near to death over a series of bad movies and flops, and it needs serious healing. What comes to the rescue? A super pup. Not only here to help Superman but even revitalize the brand itself.

    Bringing in Krypto would NOT have been a choice I would have ever considered for rebooting the brand. I’m glad Gunn ultimately did.
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    I wasn’t a fan of the opening text. The film itself does quite a lot of ‘telling not showing’ anyway.

    I like the opening image of Superman crashing onto the ice, but I think we really needed more build up to give Luthor’s plan and that fight weight. For me just being put into the middle of the story in that way felt disengaging and a bit strange.

    For what it’s worth I think all these things are common criticisms of the film. The reviews are generally positive, and I’m sure the majority will have fun with it. But I’ve noticed a few saying it feels a bit uneven in these ways. I can definitely understand that, and I think that’s the reputation the film will have to deal with - a decent blockbuster with an uneven narrative. It’s not the great Superman film I was expecting but I’m glad it delivered for many. Im sure a sequel will improve on these things.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I just want to throw an unrelated comment in the mix: I love how Gunn takes a piss on angry Internet trolls. He shows them exactly the way I have always thought of them. It's one of many indulgences Gunn has allowed himself in Superman. And while a film like this probably shouldn't be used to satisfy a director's thirst for vindication, I'm cool with it. Arrogance or justice, at least the film shows a lot of middle fingers, literally and figuratively. In this day and age, I can appreciate the boldness, especially after what Gunn's had to deal with between Guardians 2 and 3.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Been so busy so watching Superman on Monday, its got a long run at my local cinema thankfully. I have been unable to avoid spoilers. and know the entire film without seeing it pretty sure I will love it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Gotta disagree about the gag with the dog. That scene got a BIG response from both screenings I went to, especially from the kids.

    Seeing the first fight before Superman’s defeat might have felt repetitive because even in the rematch Superman gets pummeled again anyway. I thought the opening text establishing things in a way that was concise and ending it with “3 minutes ago, Superman lost his first battle” and then seeing him slam into the ice made for a compelling opening hook for the movie. We’re being introduced to a DC world that not only already has a history with Superman but even centuries of super powered beings having existed.

    You could even say there’s a meta aspect to the opening of the movie. The DC brand has been beaten near to death over a series of bad movies and flops, and it needs serious healing. What comes to the rescue? A super pup. Not only here to help Superman but even revitalize the brand itself.

    Bringing in Krypto would NOT have been a choice I would have ever considered for rebooting the brand. I’m glad Gunn ultimately did.

    Yes it got a reaction but at what cost? Is the movie about laughs or about a story? Luke throwing the light sabre away in TLJ got laughs too, still question that story choice. The Justice gang fighting that alien got laughs but then it becomes a distraction and we lose the moment between Lois and Superman.

    Text can only do so much. It sets us up in the timeline but it doesn't tell us about the characters and their motivations. At the end of the movie I felt I knew more about what makes Lex tick then any other character, doesn't that seem off?

    As my son and I left the theatre he said to me "Something was missing in that movie. I can't put my finger on it." I agreed with him. He's 14. I am not sure what was missing for me. Character development? Too many gags when there was emotion or drama to be had? Still haven't uncovered what was missing. Jeremy Jahns says it better than I could.


  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I just want to throw an unrelated comment in the mix: I love how Gunn takes a piss on angry Internet trolls. He shows them exactly the way I have always thought of them. It's one of many indulgences Gunn has allowed himself in Superman. And while a film like this probably shouldn't be used to satisfy a director's thirst for vindication, I'm cool with it. Arrogance or justice, at least the film shows a lot of middle fingers, literally and figuratively. In this day and age, I can appreciate the boldness, especially after what Gunn's had to deal with between Guardians 2 and 3.

    #Super****

    thedove wrote: »
    Gotta disagree about the gag with the dog. That scene got a BIG response from both screenings I went to, especially from the kids.

    Seeing the first fight before Superman’s defeat might have felt repetitive because even in the rematch Superman gets pummeled again anyway. I thought the opening text establishing things in a way that was concise and ending it with “3 minutes ago, Superman lost his first battle” and then seeing him slam into the ice made for a compelling opening hook for the movie. We’re being introduced to a DC world that not only already has a history with Superman but even centuries of super powered beings having existed.

    You could even say there’s a meta aspect to the opening of the movie. The DC brand has been beaten near to death over a series of bad movies and flops, and it needs serious healing. What comes to the rescue? A super pup. Not only here to help Superman but even revitalize the brand itself.

    Bringing in Krypto would NOT have been a choice I would have ever considered for rebooting the brand. I’m glad Gunn ultimately did.

    Yes it got a reaction but at what cost?

    Nothing, because I still got what worked between Superman and Lex with him showing his disappointment over giving into his bad predilections when he could have used his resources for good. That scene between Lois and Clark still works because it’s able to do a lot in such a short time with not just character but also world building. We get Green Lantern bonking an inter dimensional imp with a giant green bat, but we also get Clark telling Lois “he’s not a very good dog, but he’s out there alone and scared just like I’ve been and he needs help”. Laughs do not negate the dramatic elements. Gunn has always been able to walk that fine line a lot better than many other filmmakers that tend to hurt their films with misplaced humor. But it sounds like the movie didn’t work for you, and that’s too bad. Thankfully it seems to be playing well for most others.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Yes this movie was a disappointment for me. Maybe the sequel won't be directed or written by Gunn. I am not sure where Gunn failed the most, was it the writing or direction? I couldn't even tell you what Lois and Superman were talking about as I was distracted by the lasers, characters on the screen. Weird choice and I don't call it world building as we never saw the Justice Gang battling the alien.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It was a way of demonstrating how the world has other heroes that can take care of things without needing Superman’s help. “They’ve got it handled” he says with genuine confidence. It’s a clever way of allowing future movies to show heroes face threats without wondering “where is Superman during all this???” which was a concern I remember seeing a lot with events like HYDRA taking over SHIELD in CAPTAIN AMERICA 2 “where are the Avengers during all this chaos??”

    I didn’t find it distracting, I thought it made for a nice visual juxtaposition, with Superman contemplating his place in the world.

    Good video about it

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    Yeah, that was probably one of the best scenes of the movie for me. It worked perfectly well.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I want to say a few words of praise for Nicholas Hoult, whose Lex Luthor may very well be one of the top-5 villains of the superhero genre, at least for me. His speech towards the end of the film, where scripts usually reach their lowest point, is nothing short of amazing. I could feel his anger, his rage, his determination. This Lex definitely stands out.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    My only quibble about Lex’s portrayal is that I would have liked to have more CEO Lex before he’s sent to prison, with the first film with Lex to have him actually weasel his way out, but Superman knows Lex was behind it yet can’t implicate him. “I know it was you, I’ll be watching”, then it’s in the second entry where Lex finally gets caught red handed and we get that wonderful speech. The fun dynamic was always that Superman couldn’t actually touch Lex, which shows how powerful he is as a villain. We do get that with the scene of Superman yelling for his dog and Lex is so calm and collected he’s not even flinching from Superman’s outbursts because he knows Superman wouldn’t lay a finger on him.

    In spite of that, I was still happy to get a proper Lex Luthor, especially after the questionable creative choices Snyder made with Eisenberg’s Lex.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    In spite of that, I was still happy to get a proper Lex Luthor, especially after the questionable creative choices Snyder made with Eisenberg’s Lex.

    I was never against Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. At least he wasn't the great abomination or insult some people made him out to be. The character actually had some comic book precedents, for starters. That doesn't mean we have to like him, but at least there was some legitimacy to this iteration.

    Also, Snyder/DC/WB wanted to do something new, which wasn't an illogical choice given how much criticism Superman Returns had had to take in for supposedly playing the nostalgia card too much. Another bald Luthor with his mind on real estate was out of the question, hence this young, neurotic, yuppie-type with the long hair who,
    like Lex from Superman 2025, wants to kill Superman out of severe loathing and deep psychological resentment of his metahuman strength.

    Evidently, Eisenberg and Hoult play the part in a completely different way,
    but other than that, I'm not sure they are that different when it comes to their intentions and whatnot.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Course the genius Lex decided to spare Superman's life when he lost the second fight, decided not to kill him when he had the chance at the prison. The genius Lex decided he needed the governments help to kill Superman even though he had the means to do it himself. This was not a bright minded Lex. Never mind calling out Battleship placements to instruct his underlings to program the Ultraman. The guy who can create pocket universes can't create a way for the clone of Superman to fight without needing help from others?

    The performance is well done by Nicholas but the script did him no favours in terms of showing his brilliance on screen.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    thedove wrote: »
    Course the genius Lex decided to spare Superman's life when he lost the second fight, decided not to kill him when he had the chance at the prison. The genius Lex decided he needed the governments help to kill Superman even though he had the means to do it himself. This was not a bright minded Lex. Never mind calling out Battleship placements to instruct his underlings to program the Ultraman. The guy who can create pocket universes can't create a way for the clone of Superman to fight without needing help from others?

    The performance is well done by Nicholas but the script did him no favours in terms of showing his brilliance on screen.

    I think you’re underestimating how his vindictiveness clouds his genius potential. Superman even says that with his intellect he could actually help the world, but he’s too consumed by envy, and Lex is so deluded he thinks his character flaws is actually his feature. He’s such a petty bitch on the inside that he actually locks up ex-girlfriends in dimensional prisons. This isn’t the kind of guy that would just kill Superman and get it over with, he wants to lord over him, taunt him, brag about brains over brawn. He goes so far down that rabbit hole that when Metropolis is on the verge of total destruction even his employees thinks he’s gone too far. The one guy tells him it’s time to close the gap but then Luthor says “no, they CHOSE him”.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    In spite of that, I was still happy to get a proper Lex Luthor, especially after the questionable creative choices Snyder made with Eisenberg’s Lex.

    I was never against Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. At least he wasn't the great abomination or insult some people made him out to be. The character actually had some comic book precedents, for starters. That doesn't mean we have to like him, but at least there was some legitimacy to this iteration.

    Also, Snyder/DC/WB wanted to do something new, which wasn't an illogical choice given how much criticism Superman Returns had had to take in for supposedly playing the nostalgia card too much. Another bald Luthor with his mind on real estate was out of the question, hence this young, neurotic, yuppie-type with the long hair who,
    like Lex from Superman 2025, wants to kill Superman out of severe loathing and deep psychological resentment of his metahuman strength.

    Evidently, Eisenberg and Hoult play the part in a completely different way,
    but other than that, I'm not sure they are that different when it comes to their intentions and whatnot.

    My issue with Eisenberg really came down to execution. I don’t know whose idea it was to make his Lex so twitchy and manic, but it’s too bad because I actually think Eisenberg had potential. When he was cast, I was thinking they would just go with the Mark Zuckerberg route, which he played very well in THE SOCIAL NETWORK that I could see him do that kind of variation for Lex, only more villainous of course. It also didn’t help that both cuts of the film didn’t do a good job of conveying his motives. For example, there’s a line that explained Lex believed having made Doomsday he would have control over the beast. That’s not in the final version, so I sat in the theater wondering why he’d even bother making such a monster. It’s that kind of inexplicable cut that’s on par with cutting the explanation of the bomb being lined with lead so Superman had no chance of seeing it coming in congress
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