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Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • 007HallY007HallY
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    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    :)) There you go! Did anyone have this one their bingo card?

    Ah well, I guess that's the nature of big films nowadays. There'll always be something to complain about before it's released, and often it'll be anti-woke stuff. Keeps people watching. NTTD got a bit of this sort of stuff, as did the First Light trailer. I suspect we'll see it with Bond 26. It's certainly not something that tanks these films in itself though.

    Hopefully this crap is tailing off a bit now, although I suppose the big blockbusters this year are looking pretty white. I guess Jurassic managed to have a female star without getting too much woke mud thrown at it, but it's the dinos which are the star of that one.
    Bond 26 will absolutely be accused of it though, you're right. Doesn't matter what it is, they'll find something to call woke because it's a meaningless word.

    Like I said, it keeps people watching certain people's opinion programmes or Youtube channels. Rarely is it genuine criticism. I suppose random people on the Internet also get to feel like they're fighting against something if they're vocal about this sort of stuff (the thing is most of the time it makes no difference. NTTD didn't tank because there was a black female character or because the director said Connery's Bond was a bit of a rapist. The Batman didn't flop because of a heavy handed line about white men. This film certainly won't be a disaster because the director has made an immigrant comparison... I'm relatively sure that's been a thing people have said about Superman for a while now anyway. At best there might a Snow White type situation where the film is a bit rubbish and the lead is a PR disaster, or maybe an Indiana Jones thing where it wasn't going to be much of a financial success anyway, but that can happen with any film).
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I don't look at upcoming movies and say "This movie looks pretty white". Or "This movie looks pretty diverse." I care about the movie and it's entertainment value. Movies can have female leads and those movies can be successful. Movies can have male leads and have success.

    Would a Supergirl movie be as well attended as a Superman movie? I am not sure. But I am not sure we can say because the hero is a person who identifies as female the movie didn't perform well. Wonder Woman the first movie did very well, the second Wonder Woman wasn't as well received or successful. Did it have to do with the lead? Nope. It was the story and the lack of a compelling villain.

    I am cautiously optimistic about this movie. I have some minor quibbles based on what has been shown nothing that should stop my enjoyment of the movie. Gunn has shown himself to be a good director and story teller. His GOTG Volume 2 wasn't as good as Volume 1 and Volume 3.

    The PR for this film has been solid and quite engaging which is also an encouraging sign!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,482
    thedove wrote: »
    I don't look at upcoming movies and say "This movie looks pretty white". Or "This movie looks pretty diverse." I care about the movie and it's entertainment value. Movies can have female leads and those movies can be successful. Movies can have male leads and have success.

    I think you've missed the point a bit; it wasn't a value judgement about either of those, just an observation that there's perhaps less ammunition amongst the summer slate this year for the folks who like to badmouth a movie ahead of release because it features a non-white or female lead, because that's something they label as 'woke'.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,764
    mtm wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Funny thing is when Raimi’s first Spider-Man came out one of my first impressions was that it reminded me of Donner’s Superman because of its tone being just aa earnest and reverential.

    Do you still think so? I'm not sure I'd call it earnest; it's quite comic-y and tongue in cheek at points I'd say, but not in an undermining way.

    That’s what makes them work. The films were willing to poke fun yet also be reverential. It’s a tightrope they manage to pull off. Like how Superman says “I’m here to fight for truth, justice, and the American way”, he actually says that with complete sincerity while Lois mocks that with her retort “you're gonna end up fighting every elected official in this country!”
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 6:49pm Posts: 18,482
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Funny thing is when Raimi’s first Spider-Man came out one of my first impressions was that it reminded me of Donner’s Superman because of its tone being just aa earnest and reverential.

    Do you still think so? I'm not sure I'd call it earnest; it's quite comic-y and tongue in cheek at points I'd say, but not in an undermining way.

    That’s what makes them work. The films were willing to poke fun yet also be reverential. It’s a tightrope they manage to pull off.

    Okay cool; yeah I think that's the mark of a really good director to be honest. Being able to balance tones, to make a film which knows when it can be silly and take the mick out of itself but can also be sincere and emotionally involving at the rights points too can't be easy when you're assembling things over the course of many months. I almost feel like making a relentlessly gritty movie is probably easier.

    When are these reviews out? I thought they'd be published by now.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited 7:09pm Posts: 8,764
    The embargo just lifted, they’re all dropping right now.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-reviews/superman-review-david-corenswet-rachel-brosnahan-james-gunn-1236305764/

    https://variety.com/2025/film/reviews/superman-review-james-gunn-david-corenswet-1236444126/

    https://www.ign.com/articles/superman-2025-review-james-gunn-david-corenswet-rachel-brosnahan-nicholas-hoult

    Ha! Empire didn’t like it

    https://www.empireonline.com/movies/reviews/superman-2025/
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 8:50pm Posts: 18,482
    Heh! Yeah that Empire one was a real surprise; with that and The Guardian's response to it (also negative) I'm not too certain about this film. 'Just doesn't work' are quite strong words.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    85% with over a hundred reviews so far, if that matters

    https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/superman_2025

    That’s pretty much in line with Gunn’s track record.
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