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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited February 6 Posts: 5,064
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @MaxCasino, that mixed with Harrison's usually sarcastic/careless approach. He doesn't take such reactions so personally and seriously, thankfully.

    @Risico007, I'm happy to hear that! I cannot wait to get my hands on it once it hits the PS5. Might be a rare day one purchase for me.

    I know @Creasy47 I’m just having a bit of fun. As I said before, I’m just happy HF wanted to do as many Indy adventures as he could. Also, yes to you and @Risico007 I can’t wait to play Great Circle. I also have to wait for it on PS5. There so many settings both in locations and time periods for a great Indiana Jones game. Now people on both sides (makers and general audience) have the ambition for it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,999
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'm thankful that he refreshingly didn't blame it on audiences at least.

    Yeah, the director kinda sounded dumb blaming audiences. I saw it in the theatre twice myself before buying the Blu ray. It's a very good movie, just my least favourite of the bunch.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Something neat about Indiana Jones is how the original trilogy, they all refer to a different category of thing:

    Raiders of the Lost Ark - A group of people, Temple of Doom - A place, Last Crusade - a journey

    Anyway I was thinking about it and wouldn't it have made more sense if Waller-Bridge had been denholm elliots daughter? Since he was already Indys posh English sidekick?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Mutt must know that his real name is Henry Jones the third, right? So presumably when he goes looking for Indy he doesn't know him as "Indiana" but Henry Jones Jr the college professor. The question is what, why doesn't Mutt realise straight away that Indy is his dad?
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Cocked it with too many sequels
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I think Indy 4 and Indy 5 could have worked and been better as one story.

    Remove Indy ever having a son and put a plucky female similar to Waller Bridge (although closer to Mutts age) and have it be a more symbolic father/daughter dynamic, with the heft of the story being about reconnecting with Marion. I think if we had gotten one more story after Crusade that had nothing to do with Aliens or Nukes and was simply about an old explorer being roped into one last crazy adventure by a plucky young woman, rediscovering his drive and getting back with the woman he never stopped thinking about, then I think the movie would be considered as good as the originals. If the movie came out around the year 2000, when Harrison still looked somewhat convincing in the action scenes, it could have been way better than either of the 2 films we got.

    (I like DoD but it's hard to get past the fact that Indy doesn't do a whole lot of fighting due to his age.)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,294
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Something neat about Indiana Jones is how the original trilogy, they all refer to a different category of thing:

    Raiders of the Lost Ark - A group of people, Temple of Doom - A place, Last Crusade - a journey
    Sorry being late responding, but I only just read your post. The Lost Ark is not a group of people, but a thing - the chest they keep carrying around on the island. But you're still right it is a different category from the other two.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Something neat about Indiana Jones is how the original trilogy, they all refer to a different category of thing:

    Raiders of the Lost Ark - A group of people, Temple of Doom - A place, Last Crusade - a journey
    Sorry being late responding, but I only just read your post. The Lost Ark is not a group of people, but a thing - the chest they keep carrying around on the island. But you're still right it is a different category from the other two.

    Yea, metaphysically they're all distinct.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,288
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I think Indy 4 and Indy 5 could have worked and been better as one story.

    In many ways they're kind of the same story, especially in the first act. I think Dial handles it much better though.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,061
    mtm wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I think Indy 4 and Indy 5 could have worked and been better as one story.

    In many ways they're kind of the same story, especially in the first act. I think Dial handles it much better though.

    I agree but I think one great attempt beats two okay tries. I wish this film (speaking of both stories as one) would've been made in the 1998 - 2001 era when Harrison still could get physical and Speilberg still had creative juice in the tank. The decision to make Mutt Indys son to me is the worst decision in the franchise, because it just feels way too derivative of Crusade. Crystal Skull isn't a bad movie for the reasons people often say, for me it's just a lazy retread of the father son story. Marion is basically an afterthought in that one. I agree, I think the tired, cynical Indy rediscovering his vigour and what he has to live for is a much better framework to hang a story on, and goes somewhere new for the series.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I was excited to see Indy 4 when it came out and indeed saw it in the theatres. I was disappointed and lamented that Last Crusade has a great ending that had the heroes riding into the sunset.

    When DOD was announced I had mild interest. I never got around to seeing it in the theatres, I don't have Disney plus so I have yet to watch it. I think I shall keep to the illusion that I have created for myself that the series ended with Last Crusade.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 17 Posts: 18,288
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I think Indy 4 and Indy 5 could have worked and been better as one story.

    In many ways they're kind of the same story, especially in the first act. I think Dial handles it much better though.

    I agree but I think one great attempt beats two okay tries. I wish this film (speaking of both stories as one) would've been made in the 1998 - 2001 era when Harrison still could get physical and Speilberg still had creative juice in the tank. The decision to make Mutt Indys son to me is the worst decision in the franchise, because it just feels way too derivative of Crusade. Crystal Skull isn't a bad movie for the reasons people often say, for me it's just a lazy retread of the father son story. Marion is basically an afterthought in that one. I agree, I think the tired, cynical Indy rediscovering his vigour and what he has to live for is a much better framework to hang a story on, and goes somewhere new for the series.

    I don't hate Mutt, it's just that film never works out what story it's trying to tell with him. With Indy and his dad it's really clear: they start out basically estranged and come to respect each other over the course of the film- it's simple but it works. And the story between Indy and Helena is pretty clear too: they both teach each other that they each need family, even though they each start out thinking they don't. But with Mutt and Indy in Skull there's no real story: they learn each other exist but that's kind of it. Their relationship doesn't really evolve: they both kind of start out thinking the other is alright, they find out they're related, they continue thinking the other one is alright. It goes nowhere.

    I'd love to see a really good script writer tackle Crystal Skull, because I think there's plenty of good stuff in there but nothing's joined together and there's nothing much in the way of motivations for the characters. It's several drafts away from a finished script. DOD's story is so much better.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 19 Posts: 624
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Something neat about Indiana Jones is how the original trilogy, they all refer to a different category of thing:

    Raiders of the Lost Ark - A group of people, Temple of Doom - A place, Last Crusade - a journey

    Sorry being late responding, but I only just read your post. The Lost Ark is not a group of people, but a thing - the chest they keep carrying around on the island. But you're still right it is a different category from the other two.

    "The Raiders" are a group of people, the Nazis, the "Ark" is an object, so the title encompasses both.

    "The Temple of Doom" is a place, which is also the title, but Indy is still seeking an object

    "the villagers plead for Jones' aid in retrieving a sacred lingam stone, stolen... by evil forces from the nearby Pankot Palace."

    "The lingam is a physical representation of the male sexual organ. Evidence of phallus worship can be found in ancient texts like the Rig Veda. However, the modern understanding of the lingam as a symbol of creation and the divine has evolved from these historical roots."

    Modern interpretation aka PC spin?

    IMO "The Last Crusade" is not so much a "journey" per se, but a "quest" or "mission".
    At the time it was intended to indicate that this would be the last Ford / Spielberg / Lucas collaboration involving this character, so those involved wouldn't be pestered about making a 4th. Also to redress disatisfaction, in some quarters, with a number of aspects of Indy 2, and go out on a high note.

    The Grail is also an object, so Indy is always on a journey, to find a place, where an object is located. That's his raison d'être ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Where are you getting the lingham stuff? Never heard the Sankaras referred to as that.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 20 Posts: 624
    mtm wrote: »
    Where are you getting the lingham stuff? Never heard the Sankaras referred to as that.

    Wikipedia says

    "There, the villagers plead for Jones' aid in retrieving a sacred lingam stone stolen... by evil forces from the nearby Pankot Palace. Jones agrees to do so, hypothesizing that the stone is one of the five Sankara stones given by the Hindu gods to help humanity fight evil."

    "Scholars, such as Wendy Doniger and Rohit Dasgupta, view linga as extrapolations of what was originally a phallic symbol... Various Shaiva texts, such as the Skanda Purana in section 1.8 states that all creatures have the signs of Shiva or Shakti through their lingam (male sexual organ) or pindi (female sexual organ)."

    "Some extant ancient lingams, such as the Gudimallam Lingam, unambiguously depict a male sexual organ."

    250px-Gudimallam_Lingam_in-situ_photograph.jpg


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