Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I wonder if the announcement of First Light has lit a fire under Amazon to get something ready for when the game releases. They probably want the hype from the game to lead into anticipation for the movie, and at the moment most causal fans still think Bond died in 2021.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited June 7 Posts: 2,679
    I wonder if the announcement of First Light has lit a fire under Amazon to get something ready for when the game releases. They probably want the hype from the game to lead into anticipation for the movie, and at the moment most causal fans still think Bond died in 2021.

    Yeah. First Light feels like a prelude to Bond 26. No doubt Amazon has seen the excitement the game's trailer has created and would keeping working on bringing Bond 26 into full production, with a much surer foot.
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    It's definitely a momentum shifter. Though now, my heart yearns for a new world, new direction, and a new feeling for the next Bond film. Something we haven't seen, but we know we need it.
  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
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    Unless it's just a ploy to keep us satisfied for now.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Unless it's just a ploy to keep us satisfied for now.

    Yeah sure. A ploy they just came up with... five years ago... for this moment.. why can't some of you just be satisfied and excited for new stuff?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    Had to look Carry On up there, that has quite a different association in the UK! :D

    Hahah @mtm i loved those films when I was a kid — we’d see them every summer when we came back to the UK to visit our family. And when I first heard the title of this Netflix film, I thought immediately of those suggestive little slapsticks !!
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    I have to admit it feels quite weird having a Bond two years younger than I am.

    I feel the same way about M.
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    Hopefully we won't get a younger Bond with the screen presence of Logan Ash. He came across more as a teenager rather than a mature, cultured adult.
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    I still think
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Hopefully we won't get a younger Bond with the screen presence of Logan Ash. He came across more as a teenager rather than a mature, cultured adult.

    Yes. Logan Ash was a very annoying character albeit played well by Billy Magnussen who is a fine actor . Bond dropping the defender on him was letting him off lightly!
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I don't want Bond 26 to be like Force Awakens with references and fan service every few minutes, but at the same time if they don't reference any of the history then the film runs risk of not feeling like part of the same franchise. It still needs to feel like Bond, which is why I think a handful of subtle nods could be effective at keeping the DNA intact. Perhaps we could see Bond eating eggs how he does in the books? Or perhaps he has a fling with an unnamed woman who we see in the credits was Slyvia Trench?

    Or perhaps an old-school animal jumpscare?
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Double-taking pigeon?
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Bingo.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
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    Bingo.

    If she shays no it meansh yesh
  • edited June 16 Posts: 5,407

    Bingo.

    If she shays no it meansh yesh

    'You want to shlap a woman with an open palm, not a fist..."

    Anyway, I'm being facetious again. I've only skimmed through the video so I might be way off the guy's analysis, but I'm not sure I fully agree with him when he talks about the Bond not being a 'hedonist' as of late and not engaging with the culture of where he's at (I guess since the Craig films?) You get Bond switching hotels in QOS (which I think is a great joke in a Bond film I'm mixed on), him commenting on the lamb in CR, and even ordering his specific cocktail in both films. One thing I loved about SF was that we saw Bond very easily drinking with locals and doing the scorpion drinking game (it's actually one of those weird things I can't imagine any cinematic Bond doing apart from Craig without looking totally uncomfortable, and yet I can imagine Fleming's Bond, perhaps a bit tipsy, doing the same thing and really applying himself to it in the right circumstance).

    I think the next Bond film has to do a bit better than Bond simply turning his nose up at a certain kind of brandy or immediately knowing the kind of vintage of wine he's drinking. Or having been to Oxford and studied however many languages (unless it's done in a certain way that just comes off as bulls*it nowadays). It's a fine line between making an onscreen Bond look like a pretentious ars*hole and making him out to be cultured, but moreover well travelled and interesting.
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    I watched this yesterday! Brilliant observations and profound in the way it contextualizes Bond as the true bon vivant in a century that rewards (or prioritizes) style over substance, image over immersion. Could this be a way to thread a few needles for the franchise?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Does anyone miss Bond with Military Setting? Like going against Soldiers?
    Although this is a 50-50 for me, I think bringing back a FRWL/GE type of Bond could be a bit insensitive especially regarding the conflict/wars happening today, but it's a been a long time since we have a Military based plot in a Bond film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Wonder why Bond is trying to light his cigarette with a flower in this thumbnail.
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    007HallY wrote: »

    Bingo.

    If she shays no it meansh yesh

    'You want to shlap a woman with an open palm, not a fist..."

    Anyway, I'm being facetious again. I've only skimmed through the video so I might be way off the guy's analysis, but I'm not sure I fully agree with him when he talks about the Bond not being a 'hedonist' as of late and not engaging with the culture of where he's at (I guess since the Craig films?) You get Bond switching hotels in QOS (which I think is a great joke in a Bond film I'm mixed on), him commenting on the lamb in CR, and even ordering his specific cocktail in both films. One thing I loved about SF was that we saw Bond very easily drinking with locals and doing the scorpion drinking game (it's actually one of those weird things I can't imagine any cinematic Bond doing apart from Craig without looking totally uncomfortable, and yet I can imagine Fleming's Bond, perhaps a bit tipsy, doing the same thing and really applying himself to it in the right circumstance).

    I think the next Bond film has to do a bit better than Bond simply turning his nose up at a certain kind of brandy or immediately knowing the kind of vintage of wine he's drinking. Or having been to Oxford and studied however many languages (unless it's done in a certain way that just comes off as bulls*it nowadays). It's a fine line between making an onscreen Bond look like a pretentious ars*hole and making him out to be cultured, but moreover well travelled and interesting.


    The scorpion drinking game is something Rambo would do.

    I think Bourne spent his time having street fights.

    It may be the nature of "killing machines".

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Does anyone miss Bond with Military Setting? Like going against Soldiers?
    Although this is a 50-50 for me, I think bringing back a FRWL/GE type of Bond could be a bit insensitive especially regarding the conflict/wars happening today, but it's a been a long time since we have a Military based plot in a Bond film.
    Yes, definitely been missing the military action. TND featured both naval and military vehicles but escaped offending any given nation in this respect due to the latter vehicles being operated by terrorists. It doesn't matter to me who finds it insensitive, but as suggested before, could be a good opportunity to re-use a fictional nation's military like in OP's PTS, Nambutu (CR) or invent one for the story.

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    One thing which feels weird to me now is Bond slaughtering dozens of innocent Russian soldiers as he escapes from custody in GoldenEye- I think if you bring in military then you've got be careful. GE tries to have its cake and eat it a bit by having Ouromov be corrupt, but that means that all the soldiers under him are kind of acting in good faith rather than knowingly part of evil, and that makes it a bit dodgy. Fictional countries probably are better, yeah. Starland forever!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    mtm wrote: »
    One thing which feels weird to me now is Bond slaughtering dozens of innocent Russian soldiers as he escapes from custody in GoldenEye- I think if you bring in military then you've got be careful. GE tries to have its cake and eat it a bit by having Ouromov be corrupt, but that means that all the soldiers under him are kind of acting in good faith rather than knowingly part of evil, and that makes it a bit dodgy. Fictional countries probably are better, yeah. Starland forever!

    I always felt sorry for the soldier who walks in on Bond and General Orlov before getting a bullet between the eyes..!
  • edited 10:49am Posts: 5,407
    007HallY wrote: »

    Bingo.

    If she shays no it meansh yesh

    'You want to shlap a woman with an open palm, not a fist..."

    Anyway, I'm being facetious again. I've only skimmed through the video so I might be way off the guy's analysis, but I'm not sure I fully agree with him when he talks about the Bond not being a 'hedonist' as of late and not engaging with the culture of where he's at (I guess since the Craig films?) You get Bond switching hotels in QOS (which I think is a great joke in a Bond film I'm mixed on), him commenting on the lamb in CR, and even ordering his specific cocktail in both films. One thing I loved about SF was that we saw Bond very easily drinking with locals and doing the scorpion drinking game (it's actually one of those weird things I can't imagine any cinematic Bond doing apart from Craig without looking totally uncomfortable, and yet I can imagine Fleming's Bond, perhaps a bit tipsy, doing the same thing and really applying himself to it in the right circumstance).

    I think the next Bond film has to do a bit better than Bond simply turning his nose up at a certain kind of brandy or immediately knowing the kind of vintage of wine he's drinking. Or having been to Oxford and studied however many languages (unless it's done in a certain way that just comes off as bulls*it nowadays). It's a fine line between making an onscreen Bond look like a pretentious ars*hole and making him out to be cultured, but moreover well travelled and interesting.


    The scorpion drinking game is something Rambo would do.

    I think Bourne spent his time having street fights.

    It may be the nature of "killing machines".

    That's fine. Love that scene. I like the idea of bond engaging in more dangerous 'local practices' like that. Really emphasises his love of danger.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think it feels very Fleming.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Rambo didn't drink in any of the films bar the first one (and I can't remember if he even got a chance to finish those beers). I think Bond has him to rights when it comes to dangerous drinking games.

    Yes, it felt very Fleming. And he was still going at sunrise!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah the way he pours himself another whisky or whatever it is when the sun is up makes me feel a bit ill :D
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the way he pours himself another whisky or whatever it is when the sun is up makes me feel a bit ill :D
    Macallan 10 year old fine oak. 🥃
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the way he pours himself another whisky or whatever it is when the sun is up makes me feel a bit ill :D

    He was like F it, it's 5:00 somewhere
  • edited 2:18pm Posts: 454
    007HallY wrote: »

    Bingo.

    If she shays no it meansh yesh

    'You want to shlap a woman with an open palm, not a fist..."

    Anyway, I'm being facetious again. I've only skimmed through the video so I might be way off the guy's analysis, but I'm not sure I fully agree with him when he talks about the Bond not being a 'hedonist' as of late and not engaging with the culture of where he's at (I guess since the Craig films?) You get Bond switching hotels in QOS (which I think is a great joke in a Bond film I'm mixed on), him commenting on the lamb in CR, and even ordering his specific cocktail in both films. One thing I loved about SF was that we saw Bond very easily drinking with locals and doing the scorpion drinking game (it's actually one of those weird things I can't imagine any cinematic Bond doing apart from Craig without looking totally uncomfortable, and yet I can imagine Fleming's Bond, perhaps a bit tipsy, doing the same thing and really applying himself to it in the right circumstance).

    I think the next Bond film has to do a bit better than Bond simply turning his nose up at a certain kind of brandy or immediately knowing the kind of vintage of wine he's drinking. Or having been to Oxford and studied however many languages (unless it's done in a certain way that just comes off as bulls*it nowadays). It's a fine line between making an onscreen Bond look like a pretentious ars*hole and making him out to be cultured, but moreover well travelled and interesting.

    I think the video creator makes the case that the Bond films should not simply bring back the cultural flourishes of older entries, but immerse audiences in a time, in a place and with a people. Bond’s knowledge and tastes are cultivated from a life well lived. I’d argue that a well-lived man is inquisitive and curious and, in many ways, multicultural in his thinking and behavior.

    That’s not to say that Bond’s view of the world isn’t (or shouldn’t) be filtered through British eyes, but Bond’s love and enjoyment of other peoples and customs is a clear motivation and explanation of why he chose to be Britain’s blunt instrument of justice. Fleming’s Bond is a type of colonial or Edwardian Briton that doesn’t (and maybe shouldn’t) exist anymore, but he can be recontextualized.

    The video creator is smart to cite Anthony Bourdain as a possible inspiration for Bond’s modernization. Bourdain was explorative, compassionate and adventurous. Fleming and Bourdain, though separated by time, place, class and politics, shared a love for the unexplored corners of any city. In modern parlance, these two men were always looking for a vibe: a satisfying meal, a stiff drink, a good smoke, interesting people and dynamic living.

    I think the Craig era spent too much time in Europe, most especially Italy. Beautiful locations shot beautifully but still too similar in their overall palette. Of course, film locations are chosen for a myriad of business and logistical reasons that supersede aesthetic, but Bond needs to go back to India or go to South Africa or the Australian Outback or the Canadian wilderness or Hong Kong (for real). If the world of influencing has taught us anything, it’s shown us that people still value curation. Audiences still want a guide to show them what they can’t do or get for themselves. The video makes an astute point.




  • edited 12:30pm Posts: 5,407
    Oh yeah, I find it very Fleming esque too. The whole idea of Bond being in his own little exile is great. You know Bond’s said to himself he’s going to drink until he gets horribly drunk (which is something the literary Bond certainly decided to do on occasion!) Alcoholic behaviour in reality certainly, and SF doesn’t shy away from emphasising Bond’s state of mind, but at the same time there’s something weirdly cool about the scorpion scene and even him looking haggard and putting money in for that McCallan as the sun comes up. Like we’ve stopped short of seeing Bond sleeping on a bench or heaving up the next morning. It gets that balance right.
    Burgess wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »

    Bingo.

    If she shays no it meansh yesh

    'You want to shlap a woman with an open palm, not a fist..."

    Anyway, I'm being facetious again. I've only skimmed through the video so I might be way off the guy's analysis, but I'm not sure I fully agree with him when he talks about the Bond not being a 'hedonist' as of late and not engaging with the culture of where he's at (I guess since the Craig films?) You get Bond switching hotels in QOS (which I think is a great joke in a Bond film I'm mixed on), him commenting on the lamb in CR, and even ordering his specific cocktail in both films. One thing I loved about SF was that we saw Bond very easily drinking with locals and doing the scorpion drinking game (it's actually one of those weird things I can't imagine any cinematic Bond doing apart from Craig without looking totally uncomfortable, and yet I can imagine Fleming's Bond, perhaps a bit tipsy, doing the same thing and really applying himself to it in the right circumstance).

    I think the next Bond film has to do a bit better than Bond simply turning his nose up at a certain kind of brandy or immediately knowing the kind of vintage of wine he's drinking. Or having been to Oxford and studied however many languages (unless it's done in a certain way that just comes off as bulls*it nowadays). It's a fine line between making an onscreen Bond look like a pretentious ars*hole and making him out to be cultured, but moreover well travelled and interesting.

    I think the video creator makes the case that the Bond films should not simply bring back the cultural flourishes of older entries, but immerse audiences in a time, in a place and with a people. Bond’s knowledge and tastes are cultivated from a life well lived. I’d argue that a well-lived man is inquisitive and curious and, in many ways, multicultural in his thinking and behavior.

    That’s not to say that Bond’s view of the world isn’t (or shouldn’t) be filtered through British eyes, but Bond’s love and enjoyment of other peoples and customs is a clear motivation and explanation of why he chose to be Britain’s blunt instrument of justice. Fleming’s Bond is a type of colonial or Edwardian Briton that doesn’t (and maybe shouldn’t) exist anymore, but he can be recontextualized.

    The video creator is smart to cite Anthony Bourdain as a possible inspiration for Bond’s modernization. Bourdain was explorative, compassionate and adventurous. Fleming and Bourdain, though separated by time, place, class and politics, shared a love for the unexplored corners of any city. In modern parlance, these two men were always looking for a vibe: a satisfying meal, a stiff drink, a good smoke, interesting people and dynamic living.




    I’ll need to give the video a proper watch. I’d say a big difference between the literary Bond and cinematic one is that the latter doesn’t express many opinions on other cultures/where he visits (partially due to the character’s internal thoughts being overt in the books, but I think there’s an element that Bond can come off as a bit of a snobbish d*ckhead if he starts voicing certain opinions. I’m thinking of the Beatles/earmuffs line in GF - bizzare line which takes me out of the film and briefly makes Bond come off as insufferable).
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