Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Univex wrote: »
    They sometimes use the “ice/winter” theme for temporary titles, don’t they?

    Beyond the ice, anyone? ;)

    Bullets for Winter is a very juicy, pulp, spy novelesque title. Love it!
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Bullets For Winter is such a cool title

    Isn’t it? I love it.

    Can you imagine if they did end up using that title? We would’ve known the true title of Bond26 for years :)

    I can see it already: BFW. Seriously, I like that title.

    BFW, yeah, I can see that ;)
    https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/BFW.html

    I remember Beyond the Ice was the working and possibly the actual title for awhile. Back in 2001, I would go on Yahoo movies every day for new movie updates and boom I was shocked when it was replaced with Die Another Day. There was also the rumor that the story would have been Bond joining Moon's army and then eventually being discovered.
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    @Univex - I always enthusiastically recognize and cheer the exception to the generalization. Good on you.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    @Univex - I always enthusiastically recognize and cheer the exception to the generalization. Good on you.
    Yes, I do think you may be right in the sense that I’m referring to a minority. Most people are a product of their time and love other products of their time. And then get nostalgic for those. Me, I suffer from “Gil Pender syndrome” ;)
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    This Bond fan is owed nothing, entitled to nothing. If another Bond film is never made, so be it. I will be disappointed but it will be beyond my control. But there are things in life I look forward to. Among them are new Bond films and novels, so it is natural to hope word will come of a new development. Because of my interest in film, I go to Deadline.com and Empireonline.com to find out what is going on in the film world. Lots of news about all sorts of different projects in various stages of development. I do the same for football, automobiles, and all sorts of other interests. I seek out news based on my interests. If there is no news, I can respond to that however I wish, rationally or irrationally. I can be critical of EON if I choose to be, whether my criticism is fair or unfair, sensible or not. I don't need a lecture about how things work or that I should be grateful for what I've had and to pipe down until there is something substantive posted. That I don't have a clue when the next Bond film will be released in no way invalidates my opinions. Yes, there is a whole lot on this site that is redundant. I have certainly contributed more than my share of repetitive blarney. Speculating about what EON is thinking is no doubt an exercise in futility, but so is speculating about which teams will be playing in next year's Superbowl. So, while I am entitled to nothing and owed nothing, I have the right to criticize, ask for, and even demand whatever I like, whether anything is realized or not. A pointless was waste of time? This is a fan site for a fictional character. What isn't?

    If any of this is directed at me , I’ll correct a few things; if it’s not directed at me, then ignore, @CrabKey :

    Never were you called entitled. I used one of your quotes to prove to a poster they don’t read posts (other than their own), not even one that was right above his own.

    We are all, in our own way, looking forward to the new Bond era. And most of us carry on and discuss and debate our opinions. But, a couple of people like to drop bombs. I opened my big trap to confront these couple of people. I don’t believe you were addressed once. Correct me if I’m wrong.

    You can think, discuss (rationally or not), everything you want to; criticize EoN until your heart’s content, but I’m not sure any lecture was directed at you(?). But also, don’t be surprised if someone pushes back if they disagree with you. But personally, the last time I engaged with you, I think, was to compliment you on coming up with a couple of interesting concepts for a Bond adventure, so….

    No one was trying to invalidate your opinions-/ or none that I read, or was a part of.

    To repeat, I’ve not ever said, nor have I seen posts directed at you that says cranbkey doesn’t have the right to criticize, ask for, or demand whatever you like.

    Just to make clear, IF any of that was directed my way.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 15 Posts: 8,087
    007HallY wrote: »
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    I’d say it’s worth asking what a ‘classic Bond adventure’ is. After all the character has been adapted for film so many times now - reinvented you could say. I mean, FRWL and DN are very different adventures to GF and yet both are generally considered classic Bond films/adventures. CR and SF are, for many viewers, actually their only frame of reference for Bond. Tropes certainly exist with Bond, but how they’re used can be very different dependent on the film.

    As @sandbagger1 pointed out even fans are divided about what exactly they want. Hey, I haven’t always liked everything about these films, but as a fan I can say the Craig era gave me two of my personal favourite Bond films, and 5 which I’ll happily revisit and think about. And the truth is general viewers don’t think about Bond as much as we do. Tell a casual viewer you’re annoyed at ‘the Scooby gang’ and they’d look at you oddly. They’d probably (if they could) be able to only think of one film where the regular MI6 team join and help Bond in a hands on way by the end (and honestly, they wouldn’t be wrong). Tell them you’re annoyed about ‘personal’ stories and maybe some would agree, and others wouldn’t. I can only go from how people I know (who aren’t fans) responded to the Craig era, and while everyone has their own take I’ve honestly seen more positive than negative. I actually know many who don’t like older Bond films who actually really got into Craig’s era.

    I could go into a long explanation about what makes bond films "classic", but a shorter way to summarise is basically what people mean when they describe goldeneye as "too cookie-cutter".
  • edited February 15 Posts: 2,900
    007HallY wrote: »
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    I’d say it’s worth asking what a ‘classic Bond adventure’ is. After all the character has been adapted for film so many times now - reinvented you could say. I mean, FRWL and DN are very different adventures to GF and yet both are generally considered classic Bond films/adventures. CR and SF are, for many viewers, actually their only frame of reference for Bond. Tropes certainly exist with Bond, but how they’re used can be very different dependent on the film.

    As @sandbagger1 pointed out even fans are divided about what exactly they want. Hey, I haven’t always liked everything about these films, but as a fan I can say the Craig era gave me two of my personal favourite Bond films, and 5 which I’ll happily revisit and think about. And the truth is general viewers don’t think about Bond as much as we do. Tell a casual viewer you’re annoyed at ‘the Scooby gang’ and they’d look at you oddly. They’d probably (if they could) be able to only think of one film where the regular MI6 team join and help Bond in a hands on way by the end (and honestly, they wouldn’t be wrong). Tell them you’re annoyed about ‘personal’ stories and maybe some would agree, and others wouldn’t. I can only go from how people I know (who aren’t fans) responded to the Craig era, and while everyone has their own take I’ve honestly seen more positive than negative. I actually know many who don’t like older Bond films who actually really got into Craig’s era.

    I could go into a long explanation about what makes bond films "classic", but a shorter way to summarise is basically what people mean when they describe goldeneye as "too cookie-cutter".

    So a film which uses very broad tropes that we typically associate with Bond films? So stuff like a villain with a world domination plan and elaborate lair, big action stunts, a larger than life henchwoman etc. If all classic Bond movies have those…

    I mean, even GE is very much a ‘reinvention’ Bond movie. It features a breezy Bond but one who clearly has a past that’s mentioned in the film, and things like a typical M briefing or Moneypenny scene are subverted. The villain isn’t your typical megalomaniac but a man (who Bond has a personal connection with) consumed by revenge. It’s actually not fundamentally different to a Craig era film, at the very least the later ones. There’s much more to that film, including how Bond is clearly older/part of the ‘old post Cold War’ era at MI6, but it’s rather a rich film in how it adapts all these typical Bond elements.

    And honestly, I hope we get a film like GE for Bond 26. Love that film. But what it does specifically with those classical Bond elements is very particular ways. If you mean more the excitement that we get from a Bond film/how it’s done in that Bondian heightened reality way, well that’s even broader and can (and has) been adapted to pretty much everything in the series.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,547
    Univex wrote: »
    They sometimes use the “ice/winter” theme for temporary titles, don’t they?

    Beyond the ice, anyone? ;)

    Bullets for Winter is a very juicy, pulp, spy novelesque title. Love it!
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Bullets For Winter is such a cool title

    Isn’t it? I love it.

    Can you imagine if they did end up using that title? We would’ve known the true title of Bond26 for years :)

    I can see it already: BFW. Seriously, I like that title.

    BFW, yeah, I can see that ;)
    https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/BFW.html

    Built For War isn't a bad title either.
  • I saw someone on here suggest “The Black Daffodil”, based on a set of poems Ian Fleming wrote. I think that’d be a nice title.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
    Posts: 2,161
    I saw someone on here suggest “The Black Daffodil”, based on a set of poems Ian Fleming wrote. I think that’d be a nice title.

    That is a good one.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm digging a lot of the titles recently mentioned, especially on this page. Honestly, one of the most exciting aspects of the buildup to a new Bond is what the title is going to be.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson Moderator
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    I still want an unused Fleming Title (and story) above all else.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'm digging a lot of the titles recently mentioned, especially on this page. Honestly, one of the most exciting aspects of the buildup to a new Bond is what the title is going to be.

    And not just movies, books and video games too!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,473
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'm digging a lot of the titles recently mentioned, especially on this page. Honestly, one of the most exciting aspects of the buildup to a new Bond is what the title is going to be.

    And not just movies, books and video games too!

    Those too! The race is on to see which title is revealed first: the one for Bond 26 or the one for IO Interactive's new game.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Tbh, I don't think the word 'dafodil' is ever going to make it into a modern Bond title, Fleming or not. Mind you, I'd've said the same about Quantum of Solace, so who knows.
  • Venutius wrote: »
    Tbh, I don't think the word 'dafodil' is ever going to make it into a modern Bond title, Fleming or not. Mind you, I'd've said the same about Quantum of Solace, so who knows.

    It’s still a pretty neat title I’d say, and quite frankly I don’t think it’s too far a stretch from a title like From Russia With Love, or Diamonds are Forever.
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    @Peter - No, I didn't interpret your comments as directed at me.
  • Bond 26 should be a faithful adaptation of Moonraker and should be titled "Moonraker". Or if the producers are afraid of reusing a title, they can always call it "Moonraker [release date]" (for example: "Moonraker 2026")
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Bond is like music. Every generation likes its own. I couldn't expect young people to be aware of or like the original Bond films. Almost like showing a 40s black and white classic these days. Not their era.

    But we're seeing films with so much over the top CGI action these days, it might be all that is wearing thin. It's getting harder to go places that are new. It might be, just might be possible, a smaller, tighter film more focused on story than effects may have something to offer. The train sequence in MI was spectacular, but now we've seen it, what will be the next fix?

    Along these lines, I know more and more 20 something who have never even seen a single Bond film. Just not their thing.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-26-february-2024-update?id=05275

    Why do none of these journalists ask follow up questions? Its infuriating. Straight up ask her if theyre even going to make one. Least it would trigger a response.
  • Mallory wrote: »
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-26-february-2024-update?id=05275

    Why do none of these journalists ask follow up questions? Its infuriating. Straight up ask her if theyre even going to make one. Least it would trigger a response.

    "“there’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Wow. She sounds completely dejected. She genuinely sounds like she has absolutely no interest in ever doing a Bond film again. Why not just sell it to Amazon?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Mallory wrote: »
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-26-february-2024-update?id=05275

    Why do none of these journalists ask follow up questions? Its infuriating. Straight up ask her if theyre even going to make one. Least it would trigger a response.

    I'm starting to think 2027 might be optimistic.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Really hope this is a masterful double bluff by Barbara 😅
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Mallory wrote: »
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-26-february-2024-update?id=05275

    Why do none of these journalists ask follow up questions? Its infuriating. Straight up ask her if theyre even going to make one. Least it would trigger a response.

    "“there’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Wow. She sounds completely dejected. She genuinely sounds like she has absolutely no interest in ever doing a Bond film again. Why not just sell it to Amazon?

    Remember when a certain man was going to slit his wrists... ;-)

    But here's how I see it -- ever the optimist, I guess:

    1) Is she telling the truth, or just playing us to keep the Internet off her back for a while?

    2) The article states that "Broccoli was politely non-committal" and that she "was in attendance". This event wasn't about her or Bond. If I were her, I wouldn't want to start discussing Bond at such an event at this point either.

    3) Perhaps nothing is "happening" yet. But what does that mean, "happening"? Does that mean she and the rest of the bunch haven't even thought about Bond since NTTD? Or does it mean that conversations have been had, people have been reached out to, and Fleming's books have been dusted off again, but no contracts have been signed yet?

    Anyway, she said that nothing is happening yet. I don't read that as: she has no interest in ever doing a Bond film again.

    Patience remains crucial for me. If Barbara were tired of Bond, which I doubt, she'd have passed the reigns on to someone else. I don't think she'd end Cubby's legacy here and now. And if she isn't tired of Bond, which I believe is the case, I'm sure we'll get another Bond film.

    When we get it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think Barbara simply can't imagine a Bond world without Craig for now. I wouldn't say Barbara loves Craig romantically, but it's clear she's really into him in a deep platonic way.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think Barbara simply can't imagine a Bond world without Craig for now. I wouldn't say Barbara loves Craig romantically, but it's clear she's really into him in a deep platonic way.

    Isn't that a bit of an exaggeration, though? We know that she liked Craig, but she's a businesswoman first and foremost. I doubt she's going to "sacrifice" a profitable series over the "grief" of no longer having Craig as Bond.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Mallory wrote: »
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-26-february-2024-update?id=05275

    Why do none of these journalists ask follow up questions? Its infuriating. Straight up ask her if theyre even going to make one. Least it would trigger a response.

    "“there’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Wow. She sounds completely dejected. She genuinely sounds like she has absolutely no interest in ever doing a Bond film again. Why not just sell it to Amazon?

    Maybe I am reading into it too much but I think the first part of the qoute is her true comment. Like @peter has alluded to there is nothing she can tell us yet, but this seems to indicate there is work being done. I think her follow-up comments are her catching that she let it slip that work is being done but doesn't want to share that yet. Again I could be reading too much into it but I remain optimistic the work is being done in the background on Bond 26.
  • Bentley007 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond-26-february-2024-update?id=05275

    Why do none of these journalists ask follow up questions? Its infuriating. Straight up ask her if theyre even going to make one. Least it would trigger a response.

    "“there’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Wow. She sounds completely dejected. She genuinely sounds like she has absolutely no interest in ever doing a Bond film again. Why not just sell it to Amazon?

    Maybe I am reading into it too much but I think the first part of the qoute is her true comment. Like @peter has alluded to there is nothing she can tell us yet, but this seems to indicate there is work being done. I think her follow-up comments are her catching that she let it slip that work is being done but doesn't want to share that yet. Again I could be reading too much into it but I remain optimistic the work is being done in the background on Bond 26.

    I'll be happy if they have one or two treatments.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,879
    For all the naysayers or the optimistic out there.
    Bond is a cash cow.
    There’s no reason for EON or anyone else to question the golden goose.

    Had NTTD claimed….the end. Then I would’ve been concerned.
    But we got

    James Bond Will Return

    Good enough
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,547
    Benny wrote: »
    For all the naysayers or the optimistic out there.
    Bond is a cash cow.
    There’s no reason for EON or anyone else to question the golden goose.

    Had NTTD claimed….the end. Then I would’ve been concerned.
    But we got

    James Bond Will Return

    Good enough

    Exactly right, @Benny. I keep saying this: Barbara Broccoli is a businesswoman first, a romantic second (if at all.) She's not going to throw the series in the dumpster because she cannot see anyone else in the role but Craig.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I'm a pessimist, but even I don't believe Barbara Broccoli has no intention of making another Bond. I'm sure a small hiatus was planned when they decided to kill off Bond, otherwise it just looks cheap and has no weight, imo.

    They didn't put that 'Bond will return' line in the credits out of reflex.
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