The Future of Sex in the Bond films

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  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    edited June 2023 Posts: 14,875
    Bond and Fiona in TB is probably my pick for sexiest scene. Plenty of chemistry between the two.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Since Pierce suffered 'masseusus interruptus' with Peaceful Fountains of Desire, I guess I'll go with Natalya in Cuba.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,390
    Sexiest moments per Bond actor:

    Connery: Three that comes to mind:
    * Bond and Miss Taro in DN
    * The meeting scene of Bond and Tania in Hotel in FRWL
    * Bond and Fiona in TB

    Lazenby: Bond and Tracy kissed in the barn after the proposal, or when Tracy kissed Bond in her hotel room in the beginning.

    Moore: Too many:
    * Andrea seducing/kissing Bond in TMWTGG
    * Bond and Martine Blanchaud (Log Cabin Girl) in TSWLM PTS.
    * Bond and Corrine in MR
    * Bond and Countess Lisl in FYEO
    * Bond and Magda in OP
    * Bond and Pola Ivanova in AVTAK

    Dalton: Bond and Lupe in LTK (although Dalton in shirtless wasn't a bit good looking compared to the other Bonds though).

    Brosnan: Two that comes to mind:
    * Bond and Elektra making out after the Casino scenes in TWINE
    * Bond and Jinx sex scene in Cuba in DAD (what's with the fruit?)

    Craig: Three that comes to my mind:
    * Bond and Solange in CR
    * Bond and Strawberry Fields in QoS
    * Bond and Lucia Sciarra in SP
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2023 Posts: 14,949
    SIS_HQ wrote: »

    Craig: Three that comes to my mind:
    * Bond and Solange in CR
    * Bond and Lucia Sciarra in SP

    These are pretty much the only genuinely sexy moments in the Bond films for my money.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    There are two scenes that I find quite sexy despite the fact that it doesn't actually involve Bond sleeping with the women featured.

    - Bond and Onatopp in the sauna in GoldenEye
    - Eve shaving Bond in Macau in Skyfall
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes those are good choices.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    Bond and Fatima in NSNA is rather erotic, especially when compared to the EON entries to that point.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Benny wrote: »
    Bond and Fatima in NSNA is rather erotic, especially when compared to the EON entries to that point.

    She certainly went out with a bang... ;-)

    NSNA made me thinking about CR67. Plenty of sexy moments in that one, especially MP recruiting the best kisser.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2023 Posts: 14,949
    Yes I do think CR67 outdid a lot of the Eon Bond films in terms of the ladies it picked. Moneypenny is drop-dead beautiful, and The Detainer being strapped down at the end is one of the most tantalising images in a Bond film which certainly stuck in my mind as a boy.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,390
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes I do think CR67 outdid a lot of the Eon Bond films in terms of the ladies it picked. Moneypenny is drop-dead beautiful, and The Detainer being strapped down at the end is one of the most tantalising images in a Bond film which certainly stuck in my mind as a boy.

    Even Thunderball?
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    There are two scenes that I find quite sexy despite the fact that it doesn't actually involve Bond sleeping with the women featured.

    - Bond and Onatopp in the sauna in GoldenEye
    - Eve shaving Bond in Macau in Skyfall

    You might have hit the jackpot with those two.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yes I do think CR67 outdid a lot of the Eon Bond films in terms of the ladies it picked. Moneypenny is drop-dead beautiful, and The Detainer being strapped down at the end is one of the most tantalising images in a Bond film which certainly stuck in my mind as a boy.
    Agreed. It’s got Alexandra Bastedo in it, too. Just a ridiculous amount of beautiful women.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yes I do think CR67 outdid a lot of the Eon Bond films in terms of the ladies it picked. Moneypenny is drop-dead beautiful, and The Detainer being strapped down at the end is one of the most tantalising images in a Bond film which certainly stuck in my mind as a boy.
    Agreed. It’s got Alexandra Bastedo in it, too. Just a ridiculous amount of beautiful women.

    Not to mention one J. Bisset as Miss Goodthighs.

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    I mean...
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    Nothing beats Barbara Bouchet though... :x
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    And buttercup? Or Joanna Pettet?
  • mattjoesmattjoes Kicking: Impossible
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    jobo wrote: »
    Nothing beats Barbara Bouchet though... :x

    I still remember her in Don't Torture a Duckling. That was awesome.
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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    That little crazy spoof film does an incredible job with its girls, doesn't it?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Yes I do think CR67 outdid a lot of the Eon Bond films in terms of the ladies it picked. Moneypenny is drop-dead beautiful, and The Detainer being strapped down at the end is one of the most tantalising images in a Bond film which certainly stuck in my mind as a boy.
    Agreed. It’s got Alexandra Bastedo in it, too. Just a ridiculous amount of beautiful women.

    Not to mention one J. Bisset as Miss Goodthighs.

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    I mean...

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    She deserved to be the main Bond girl in an official Bond. EON dropped the ball there, i'm afraid. And Ann-Margret too, but that's for another thread.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited June 2023 Posts: 2,928
    Jacqueline Bisset is absolutely one that got away. I'd even say that, physically at least, she's the only contemporary actress I could really imagine as a valid alternative for Tracy in 1969. But watching her again recently in Bullitt, I don't think she'd really have been ready to do it at that point. She looked fantastic, but her acting wasn't really on par with Diana Rigg's and it took her a few more years to come into her own, I reckon. Bisset would've been really great in a mid-70s Sir Rog outing, though.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Jacqueline Bisset is absolutely one that got away. I'd even say that, physically at least, she's the only contemporary actress I could really imagine as a valid alternative for Tracy in 1969. But watching her again recently in Bullitt, I don't think she'd really have been ready to do it at that point. She looked fantastic, but her acting wasn't really on par with Diana Rigg's and it took her a few more years to come into her own, I reckon. Bisset would've been really great in a mid-70s Sir Rog outing, though.

    Considering the cultural impact she had with her figure in The Deep, I would agree. She really came into her own both as a symbol and as an actress at that point.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Jacqueline Bisset is absolutely one that got away. I'd even say that, physically at least, she's the only contemporary actress I could really imagine as a valid alternative for Tracy in 1969. But watching her again recently in Bullitt, I don't think she'd really have been ready to do it at that point. She looked fantastic, but her acting wasn't really on par with Diana Rigg's and it took her a few more years to come into her own, I reckon. Bisset would've been really great in a mid-70s Sir Rog outing, though.

    Considering the cultural impact she had with her figure in The Deep, I would agree. She really came into her own both as a symbol and as an actress at that point.

    Diana Rigg's casting as Tracy was perfect, it's a lightning in a bottle casting decision, it's up there with Eva Green as Vesper and Izabella Scorupco as Natalya Simonova.

    But I agree that she would've been great in the Moore Era really, and would've been more age appropriate or matured too (considering Moore's age at the time).

    For me she would've been a fantastic Solitaire or heck, Anya, or maybe even Octopussy (more age appropriate than Maud Adams).

    She would've been great as Melina Havelock too (although the character was intended to be really young, because of the avenging daughter thing).

    I would say Goodnight, but the writing of the character, I doubt any actress could've saved it really, I'm also going to say Stacey Sutton (for more age appropriate one), but the part was intended for an American Actress, same for Holly Goodhead (Jacqueline is English).
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    Also, let's not forget that Ms. Bisset played a Bond-girl like role in the french movie Le Magnifique with Jean-Paul Belmondo. Definitely worth watching.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Jacqueline Bisset is absolutely one that got away. I'd even say that, physically at least, she's the only contemporary actress I could really imagine as a valid alternative for Tracy in 1969. But watching her again recently in Bullitt, I don't think she'd really have been ready to do it at that point. She looked fantastic, but her acting wasn't really on par with Diana Rigg's and it took her a few more years to come into her own, I reckon. Bisset would've been really great in a mid-70s Sir Rog outing, though.

    I agree. She could have been a stellar Bond girl. Amasova perhaps?
    Gerard wrote: »
    Also, let's not forget that Ms. Bisset played a Bond-girl like role in the french movie Le Magnifique with Jean-Paul Belmondo. Definitely worth watching.

    Thanks for the suggestion, @Gerard!
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  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    There are two scenes that I find quite sexy despite the fact that it doesn't actually involve Bond sleeping with the women featured.

    - Bond and Onatopp in the sauna in GoldenEye
    - Eve shaving Bond in Macau in Skyfall

    I love Eve shaving Bond, and also Bond and Vesper in the shower. We don't see much non-sexual intimacy from Bond and it shows a different, likeable side of him.

    TBH there aren't many moments in the films when I think "wow, that's hot" - they're just not that kind of movie, even if they pretend to be. Bond and Pam at the end of LTK might be an exception though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess Bond and Pam at the end of LTK is perhaps atypically romantic for Bond, rather than sexy?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    mtm wrote: »
    I guess Bond and Pam at the end of LTK is perhaps atypically romantic for Bond, rather than sexy?

    The Pam and Bond scene at the end of LTK looked a bit of teenage love triangle to me, especially of how the film portrayed Pam's jealousy towards Lupe, I don't know, that's how I see it.
  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    Fundamentally, the line between ‘Bond Story’ and ‘Romance’ is basically non-existent. That’s basically because Fleming wrote them as such. We are technically supposed to end every film on the ‘she’s the one’ note, before we reset in the next one.

    That changes when we have something as continuity heavy as the recent run of films.
    In terms of Fleming, he really wrote ‘closed door’ romance, where we see the immediate before, and sometimes a fair amount of after, the fact. He was not writing Nin or even Miller style — though he could have gone either direction quite easily.
    In terms of the films, like many things in cinema of the day, the violence was the ‘diet’ version of the sex that couldn’t be shown. That’s why Bond has a laser beam heading to his nuts. That and the fact that certification means you can’t show too much, and can’t associate directly the sex with violence (which is why Xenia is such a new direction in the slightly more relaxed nineties) or face censor and censure.
    To an extent, the films are an exercise in being ‘sexy’ but also avoiding any actual nookie.

    Cinema has grown up a bit though, and the modern films are going back to being more art based — like Dr.No and the first few really were. Maybe Live and Let Die as well, and to a lesser extent Goldeney — as new beginnings. CR and QOS in particular grow out of the arthouse and arthouse influenced films that hit the mainstream in the late nineties and noughts. (Won Kar Wai, Tarantino, Jean Pierre-Jeunet) That twenties to forties age group was watching more visually rich cinema than had been common in the eighties and nineties, and Bond had to move away from being in that functional but easy action film look.

    What that means for the sex scenes is that we could have more realism, more equality (though Bond has always spent as much time perving on — I mean focusing it’s gaze on — Bond as the Bond Girls, visually at least) and richer even occasionally more explicit visuals. We didn’t entirely go that way. There’s at least one orgasm in Amelie, and Fallen Angels, and none in Bond. I can see it moving that way now, as an evolution of the more ‘realist’ but cinematic direction it’s been taking, especially as it’s shed its ‘family film’ skin. Basically, they’re now shown on TV late in the evening, rather than the afternoon.

    Does that add anything to the films? I think it possibly could. The books have become much more sexually explicit over the last twenty years, and use that in much the way Le Carre has, to provide context or commentary to other events in the stories, or to the characters. It makes the, somehow less dour, and on occasion magnifies some of the tragedy.

    Consider ‘The Night Manager’ compared to ‘Smileys People’ particularly their screen adaptations. Heightened reality, heightened tension.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    JustJames wrote: »
    There’s at least one orgasm in Amelie, and Fallen Angels, and none in Bond.

    Onnatop.

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