Should we get a new M / Q / Moneypenny for BOND 26 and beyond ?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Denbigh ....😂😂😂
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited November 2022 Posts: 3,960
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Yeah it really seemed like Brosnan M hated Bond and Craig M loved him.
    Does the M relationship coincide with Barbara's own feelings of the actor? ;)

    I won’t say that Brosnan M hated Bond. In TND, the two show respect for each other and she lets him do the job(s) his way. With some helpful ideas. And this is when she’s being pressured by her superiors. Good thing Dench hadn’t won the Oscar and P & W had been screenplay writers for Bond yet! In GE, she understandably has to put her foot down. She is his new and first female boss. In DAD she switches sides. In TWINE, her past comes back to haunt her. And she takes a lot of her frustrations out on Bond. Which I blame on the family soap opera writing. For Craig M, she cares, but she wants to put on a tough face. Some of the decisions her character made (both versions), made it hard for me to sympathize with her when she died in SF. As people have stated about Ralph Fiennes’ M being written poorly, it is a sign that P & W and arguably their creative partners, writers and directors can’t really write M well.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Yeah it really seemed like Brosnan M hated Bond and Craig M loved him.

    Yes, that's what pretty much signalled that Dench was playing a different M in Dan's run. At this distance, I'm not sure now whether or not I understood that going in, just assumed it or worked it out while watching. I can remember saying it to a couple of people and them looking at me as if I was daft, though! :D
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I don't see any anomisity between M and Bond in the Brosnan-era, outside of the introductory scene in GoldenEye. And even then, there's a strong sense of professionalism there.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited November 2022 Posts: 2,406
    Credit to Judi Dench, at no point during the Craig era did I feel she was playing the same character as she had in the Brosnan era.
    She is such a wonderful actor and a brilliant M
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Speaking of Judi, everyone should check out Louis Theroux's interview with her.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited November 2022 Posts: 1,166
    Judi Dench absolutely nailed M. Fiennes is also good. But I can't help, but think he was better when he was just Mallory. Fiennes was more sardonic and enigmatic as Mallory than he was as M.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Judi Dench absolutely nailed M. Fiennes is also good. But I can't help, but think he was better when he was just Mallory. Fiennes was more sardonic and enigmatic as Mallory than he was as M.

    I just wish they written him more like Bernard Lee's M. At the end of Skyfall he's crusty but he has a respect for Bond, having witnessed him in action in the enquiry.

    From Spectre onwards its like they were toying with making him a villain. Fiennes in a recent interview jokingly said they kept bringing Judi back as M, while he was M, which didn't help cement him as the new boss.

    Don't even get me started on the way they wrote M in NTTD...
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,517
    I don't see any anomisity between M and Bond in the Brosnan-era, outside of the introductory scene in GoldenEye. And even then, there's a strong sense of professionalism there.

    I think the only other scene that springs to mind is when M told Bond she would have preferred to have left him in North Korea. And of course there is definitely professionalism there as well. But I definitely concede I was oversimplifying.

    In the scene in Skyfall when Mallory says "you're sentimental about him", that M is going to stand up and say "when he was Brosnan, I hated him!" :))
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    In the scene in Skyfall when Mallory says "you're sentimental about him", that M is going to stand up and say "when he was Brosnan, I hated him!" :))
    I can hear that perfectly! Classic. :))
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    Venutius wrote: »
    In the scene in Skyfall when Mallory says "you're sentimental about him", that M is going to stand up and say "when he was Brosnan, I hated him!" :))
    I can hear that perfectly! Classic. :))

    For that effect, one has to forget that the Brosnan M and the Craig M were two different persons, although they were both played by Judi Dench. Which is one more reason why why the franchise should restart with entirely new actors for recurring roles.
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    Since62 wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
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    Would that be a cross-dressing Craig ? he's a good actor...if Milton Berle could do it, Craig could do it even better

    That would seem a callback to TB and DAF. Best to move away from men in drag.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    In the scene in Skyfall when Mallory says "you're sentimental about him", that M is going to stand up and say "when he was Brosnan, I hated him!" :))
    I can hear that perfectly! Classic. :))

    For that effect, one has to forget that the Brosnan M and the Craig M were two different persons, although they were both played by Judi Dench. Which is one more reason why why the franchise should restart with entirely new actors for recurring roles.

    Yeah, I was picturing it as an outtake! :D
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited November 2022 Posts: 5,686
    How would people feel about Talulah Riley (Westworld) as Moneypenny?

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    As Moneypenny, not for me.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2022 Posts: 2,857
    Talulah was way better as a brunette. Yes, yes, that's no surprise coming from me, but I can still feel the impact from my jaw hitting the deck when Strawberry Fields gothed her up in that St. Trinian's sequel in 2009... Oh, hang on, did I say that out loud?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Talulah was way better as a brunette. Yes, yes, that's no surprise coming from me, but I can still feel the impact from my jaw hitting the deck when Strawberry Fields gothed her up in that St. Trinian's sequel in 2009... Oh, hang on, did I say that out loud?

    I don't know what you're talking about, but I have the sneaking suspicion that I wish I did.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2022 Posts: 2,857
    Venutius wrote: »
    Talulah was way better as a brunette. Yes, yes, that's no surprise coming from me, but I can still feel the impact from my jaw hitting the deck when Strawberry Fields gothed her up in that St. Trinian's sequel in 2009... Oh, hang on, did I say that out loud?

    I don't know what you're talking about, but I have the sneaking suspicion that I wish I did.
    Hah - the goth bit's much shorter than I remembered it and the whole thing looks well dodgy now but, hell, if Talulah and Fields (and Paloma Faith) were up for it, who am I to decry their efforts? Cough...
  • I have a feeling that one of the old mi6 cast members will return that is Ralph Fiennes or Naomie Harris.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,517
    I could see Ralph returning, but really each of those characters as they were portrayed had too close a relationship with Craig's Bond to come back; Craig would cast a long shadow if any of these actors reprised their roles IMO. I'd say more than any other time in the franchise, the Whitehall Brigade needs a complete refresh.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    To be fair, yes, they really should all be replaced. Clean slate. I do get some sly amusement at the idea of them knowingly pulling the same trick twice and having Fiennes play a different M, though! ;)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    They should all be replaced, but could Craig come back as a different Bond, from a different timeline?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,517
    Venutius wrote: »
    To be fair, yes, they really should all be replaced. Clean slate. I do get some sly amusement at the idea of them knowingly pulling the same trick twice and having Fiennes play a different M, though! ;)

    I wouldn't hate it, I thought he was a fantastic M. If they do keep anyone I'd like it to be him.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    They should all be replaced, but could Craig come back as a different Bond, from a different timeline?

    IF, and that's a big if, they were to go down the alternate timeline route (and i'm not saying that they should), then they might as well go just the whole hog, and do the Bond version of the Guardians Of The Edge from Power of The Doctor.

  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited November 2022 Posts: 2,857
    Venutius wrote: »
    To be fair, yes, they really should all be replaced. Clean slate. I do get some sly amusement at the idea of them knowingly pulling the same trick twice and having Fiennes play a different M, though! ;)

    I wouldn't hate it, I thought he was a fantastic M. If they do keep anyone I'd like it to be him.
    Same, Nick - Fiennes is/was perfectly cast as M, IMO.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Honestly, I'm not sure the recasting of Craig-era MI6 regulars would work as it did with Judi Dench. The way people interact with films has changed and it was way easier to get away with choices like that back in 2006.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Plus Fiennes-M pretty much killed CraigBond, so.... Awkward.....
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    lol, that'll be the post credits stinger for the next Bond film, the new Bond is sitting across from M's desk and there's a long awkward silence, followed by Bond asking "... you're not going to poison me and have missiles launched at me too, are you?"
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @NickTwentyTwo 😂😂😂👏👏👏
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    M: *opens drinks cabinet and pours himself a scotch* "What's your poison?"
    Bond: "........"
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