Star Wars (1977 - present)

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited May 2022 Posts: 7,586
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Oh apologies; all of these nested quotes get confusing.

    mattjoes wrote: »
    For such a spotty track record collectively, SW is awfully beloved.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I've never had a problem with the quoting system myself.
    Creasy47 is beyond cool and my favorite person.

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    Well gee, that's so nice of you to say!

    It was actually me that said that, but whatever.

    ;)

    Re: the sequel trilogy, anyway. The Force Awakens is still my favourite of the bunch by quite a bit. I admire what Johnson was attempting with his film, but I unfortunately found it quite a slog for the most part. One of the things that I judge films like these on is rewatchability, and neither TLJ or ROS have that factor going for them. There are certain scenes that I really enjoy watching clips of on Youtube, but that's about it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Oh apologies; all of these nested quotes get confusing.

    mattjoes wrote: »
    For such a spotty track record collectively, SW is awfully beloved.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I've never had a problem with the quoting system myself.
    Creasy47 is beyond cool and my favorite person.

    [/quote

    Well gee, that's so nice of you to say!

    It was actually me that said that, but whatever.

    ;)

    Re: the sequel trilogy, anyway. The Force Awakens is still my favourite of the bunch by quite a bit. I admire what Johnson was attempting with his film, but I unfortunately found it quite a slog for the most part. One of the things that I judge films like these on is rewatchability, and neither TLJ or ROS have that factor going for them. There are certain scenes that I really enjoy watching clips of on Youtube, but that's about it.

    I'll take any and all compliments, my friend!

    And yes, I couldn't agree more with you there. A recent first time viewing or not, I simply have no desire to revisit those two but I saw TFA once in theaters and several times over the years. It's still pretty entertaining to me.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    https://www.indiewire.com/2022/05/solo-star-wars-characters-recast-lucasfilm-1234725408/

    I don't have an issue with Kennedy the way some other fans do, but I think she's way off the mark on suggesting that you can't recast famous parts with younger actors. Meanwhile, OBI-WAN KENOBI debuts next week featuring what is the most famous recasting of Star Wars characters.

    Whatever flaws there were with SOLO, the recasting isn't even close to why that film bombed. What makes me dread these statements by her is that it sounds like she'll double down on digital CGI characters.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    It's a bit of an oddly dismissive thing for a producer to say, alright. Again, I didn't mind Solo, but I've yet to feel compelled to rewatch it.
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    Solo was good , but not great . Probably the least memorable of the Star Wars films. There is nothing exactly wrong with it , it was a movie that wasn’t really needed! These days it could have been a Disney + series .
    I am also glad to hear Kennedy and Lucasfilm are avoiding ‘trilogies’ going forward . It sounds like they are really planning this time and hopefully those new films have really good scripts.
  • The original trilogy, Rogue One, and Revenge of the Sith are really all you need when it comes to theatrical Star Wars, but Attack of the Clones is safely cushioned from the bottom and a good deal better than some give it credit for. Nostalgia may be driving some of the current appreciation for the prequel trilogy, but I think the disjointed, "I'm making this up as I go" nature of the Disney trilogy has helped the prequels quite a bit by comparison. I think people are now realizing that Jar-Jar was really only a bother in the first one and that at least Lucas was telling a coherent and well thought out story that expanded the Star Wars universe, rather than serving up nostalgia burgers and sending beloved and iconic characters to their deaths (I know, it's a 21st century trend/blight...I blame Wolverine). The Force Awakens showed promise, but story-wise and entertainment-wise, I don't see the appeal in VII-IX as a trilogy.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    ROTS and ROGUE ONE were terrible. Especially the latter, which bored me in a way none of the saga films ever have.
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    Personally for me at this point, ROTS is the only one I like outside of the original trilogy. I care very little about the others at this point, especially the sequel trilogy. Used to decently enjoy but not anymore.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    My big issue with ROTS is that Anakin’s turn is unearned. When Anakin kills those kids it’s such a 0 to 200 shift. It would be like if Bruce Wayne was convinced to kill the prisoner in BATMAN BEGINS at the drop of a hat.
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    ROTS and ROGUE ONE were terrible. Especially the latter, which bored me in a way none of the saga films ever have.
    Of the modern films since Jedi ‘83, those two are my favourite!
    But if there was one Saga film to truly put me to sleep it would be The Phantom Menace.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    The only one that I really don t care for at all is Solo.
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    I quite liked solo. It’s inconsequential but entertaining.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I never bothered with Solo. The only spinoff I saw was Rogue One and am in the minority that didn't like it.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Darth Jar Jar should have been the sequel’s surprise villain. Nothing wrong with Ian McDiarmid, but the Emperor’s death is the death of deaths. Him coming back at the last minute was Kathleen Kennedy’s push for feminism and JJ Abrams’ unoriginal writing. Ahmed Best didn’t deserve the criticism that he got. He’s doing what we’re all doing: trying to survive in this thing called life.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    I quite liked solo. It’s inconsequential but entertaining.

    Yeah it's good fun. A Sunday afternoon film.

    I saw this meme which I rather liked:

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    I quite liked solo. It’s inconsequential but entertaining.

    Yeah it's good fun. A Sunday afternoon film.

    I saw this meme which I rather liked:

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    I think that meme represents all sorts of fans, including Bond fans. Often overthinking the latest film, they sometimes forget that their beloved property was full of imperfections from the start; they just grew up loving the flawed originals, but inspect the flawed new stuff under a microscope.
  • Matt007 wrote: »
    I quite liked solo. It’s inconsequential but entertaining.

    This sums Solo up well. It's by no means a bad film.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Darth Jar Jar should have been the sequel’s surprise villain.

    That would have been kind of amazing actually and something absolutely no one would have expected.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Ahmed Best didn’t deserve the criticism that he got. He’s doing what we’re all doing: trying to survive in this thing called life.

    The actor did his job and did it well. I actually think the criticisms of Jar-Jar in general are pretty over-the-top. He was by no means a gleaming jewel in Star Wars' crown, but he also doesn't really detract from my enjoyment of The Phantom Menace. It's a lighthearted, goofy movie to begin with.
    My big issue with ROTS is that Anakin’s turn is unearned. When Anakin kills those kids it’s such a 0 to 200 shift. It would be like if Bruce Wayne was convinced to kill the prisoner in BATMAN BEGINS at the drop of a hat.

    Not really because we see Anakin lured to the dark side with the hope of learning the Sith power that will save Padme from dying as his mother had, and already he had been in contention with Obi-Wan over the decisions of the Jedi council. Plus we’d seen him single-handedly massacre a Tuskan camp out of rage—and not just the men, but the women…and the children too. Helping Palpatine kill Mace Windu was what pushed him over the edge. Killing a fellow Jedi was the point of no return for Anakin. We saw him consciously make that decision—the life of a Sith over the life of a Jedi. By that point, he had committed fully to pursuing the power that would save Padme, and the lives of some Jedi younglings weren’t going to stand in his way. Before Anakin killed Jedi children he had both a) killed children and b) helped a Sith Lord kill a Jedi. If you saw Anakin go from 0 to 200, you missed a lot.

    A more apt Batman Begins comparison would be if Bruce had gone through with killing Joe Chill if he was meant to become a more fallen character. He was going to kill Joe Chill before Falcone’s gun-for-hire did it for him. Batman Begins showed us what brought Bruce to stand at the edge of that abyss and look into it, just as AOTC and ROTS showed us what caused Anakin to plunge into his own abyss.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    I quite liked solo. It’s inconsequential but entertaining.

    Yeah it's good fun. A Sunday afternoon film.

    I saw this meme which I rather liked:

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    A more accurate meme would be ‘Star Wars Fans’ on the Maguire image and ‘Outright misogynists’ on the Franco image.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Darth Jar Jar should have been the sequel’s surprise villain. Nothing wrong with Ian McDiarmid, but the Emperor’s death is the death of deaths. Him coming back at the last minute was Kathleen Kennedy’s push for feminism.

    Of all the claims of feminism inflicted on the star wars franchise, this is by far the most ludicrous
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I must admit I'm struggling to understand it! :)
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Ahmed Best didn’t deserve the criticism that he got. He’s doing what we’re all doing: trying to survive in this thing called life.

    The actor did his job and did it well.

    He did his...

    best.

    His Ahmed Best.
  • mattjoes wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Ahmed Best didn’t deserve the criticism that he got. He’s doing what we’re all doing: trying to survive in this thing called life.

    The actor did his job and did it well.

    He did his...

    best.

    His Ahmed Best.

    I'd expect nothing less!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
    edited May 2022 Posts: 19,462
    Andor looks better than Obi Wan.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Looks impressive but I might be starting to feel a bit of the fatigue- it's hard not to feel that we know how this story ends; and not just Andor's story but the whole Empire thing. I know the argument to that is 'you still get films set in WW2 and we know how that ends', and yet having had the whole war invented purely for a film and also resolved in it, it just feels like the situation is a bit done.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
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    Before I watched the trailer I thought to myself do I even care about this, then the trailer won me over.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I can't imagine finding myself caring one iota about that character from ROGUE ONE. The whole set of characters from that film were dead weight, aside from that blind guy.
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    Andor looks better than Obi Wan.

    Indeed. This show is a really good chance to flesh out those pre-Rebellion (TM) characters that a 2 hour film didn't quite do justice. Plus Diego Luna is an excellent actor, I quite enjoyed his work on Narcos.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I can't imagine finding myself caring one iota about that character from ROGUE ONE. The whole set of characters from that film were dead weight, aside from that blind guy.

    I love Rogue One and I don't get this series at all. I found it odd that considering the title of it, the character barely features in the trailer at all. Quite telling.
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