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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I love the use of 'tower bells' for "The Bat's True Calling". Elfman also included them in his '89 "Finale" track, an apotheotic masterpiece that always brings me to tears. Christopher Drake used the bells in his Arkham Origins score as well. There's something about that metallic clanking that I find most appropriate for the Dark Knight.

    I also love the somewhat mysterious high-pitched violins playfully mimicking feline sounds, another detail possibly inspired by Elfman whose Catwoman theme for Batman Returns is perhaps my favourite element of that entire score.

    At the same time, the more heroic themes carry over a little Zimmer, with uncomplicated arrangements of notes that nevertheless do a marvellous job at inspiring awe.

    "The Batman" is by far the most interesting track in my opinion. In its underbelly, it actually seems to parallel Michael Gatt's quiet but intriguing opening theme for The Long Halloween, yet soon enough does it build towards more Zimmer, with a few bars that almost reach the romantic splendour of vintage Barry. Perhaps I'm pursuing too exaggerated an analysis, but I'm just describing my feelings when listening to the music.

    Overall, I truly love this score. Having listened to it three times in full now, I can safely say that it will please those who seek melody rather than dissonant ramblings; it will also sit well with fans of more traditional orchestrations (as opposed to synth, techno or smashing guitars). It feels right at home in the Batman universe, but it still is its own thing. The score takes few risks, to be honest; Giaccino plays a safe hand. Maybe that's wise, considering how crazy the Internet can get over something it needs time to adjust to.

    One final note: the jazzy "Catwoman" track at the end of the score is honestly mesmerizing and the closest to pure Barry any composer has come in recent times.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I love the use of 'tower bells' for "The Bat's True Calling". Elfman also included them in his '89 "Finale" track, an apotheotic masterpiece that always brings me to tears. Christopher Drake used the bells in his Arkham Origins score as well. There's something about that metallic clanking that I find most appropriate for the Dark Knight.

    I also love the somewhat mysterious high-pitched violins playfully mimicking feline sounds, another detail possibly inspired by Elfman whose Catwoman theme for Batman Returns is perhaps my favourite element of that entire score.

    At the same time, the more heroic themes carry over a little Zimmer, with uncomplicated arrangements of notes that nevertheless do a marvellous job at inspiring awe.

    "The Batman" is by far the most interesting track in my opinion. In its underbelly, it actually seems to parallel Michael Gatt's quiet but intriguing opening theme for The Long Halloween, yet soon enough does it build towards more Zimmer, with a few bars that almost reach the romantic splendour of vintage Barry. Perhaps I'm pursuing too exaggerated an analysis, but I'm just describing my feelings when listening to the music.

    Overall, I truly love this score. Having listened to it three times in full now, I can safely say that it will please those who seek melody rather than dissonant ramblings; it will also sit well with fans of more traditional orchestrations (as opposed to synth, techno or smashing guitars). It feels right at home in the Batman universe, but it still is its own thing. The score takes few risks, to be honest; Giaccino plays a safe hand. Maybe that's wise, considering how crazy the Internet can get over something it needs time to adjust to.

    One final note: the jazzy "Catwoman" track at the end of the score is honestly mesmerizing and the closest to pure Barry any composer has come in recent times.

    What a lucid review! I can't stop listening to the score at the moment.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 26 Posts: 4,974
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    There are moments that remind me of Zimmer and others that remind me of Elfman.
    +1

    But overall I'd say it feels original to this film. One of the last tracks nearly brought me to tears.

    I'm guessing the tearjerker track should be All's Well That Ends Farewell...right? Because I felt the same way too.
    Haha yeah that’s the one :)
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    There are moments that remind me of Zimmer and others that remind me of Elfman.
    +1

    But overall I'd say it feels original to this film. One of the last tracks nearly brought me to tears.

    I'm guessing the tearjerker track should be All's Well That Ends Farewell...right? Because I felt the same way too.
    Haha yeah that’s the one :)

    Thought so :)
  • So excited for this. I came out of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes in theaters back in 2014 thinking Matt Reeves would make a great Batman director, so I was obviously excited from the get-go when he was announced. Everything I’ve seen so far, and his prevailing interest in making this (mostly) a stand-alone film, has felt very right to me. It’s probably the first comic book movie I’ve been looking forward to since Logan. The score is atmospheric, the visuals are highly cinematic, the cast is wonderful — I will be surprised if this isn’t at least “good”.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Everything I’ve seen so far, and his prevailing interest in making this (mostly) a stand-alone film, has felt very right to me. It’s probably the first comic book movie I’ve been looking forward to since Logan. The score is atmospheric, the visuals are highly cinematic, the cast is wonderful — I will be surprised if this isn’t at least “good”.
    +1
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    I’m super pumped for this. The more I’ve seen and heard the more excited I’ve ended up becoming. Been so long since a solo live-action Batman film (Dark Knight Rises!). Plan on seeing it soon. Please tell me I’m not the only one sick of the billion crossover movies that have been going on and just want more standalone content like this again.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Please tell me I’m not the only one sick of the billion crossover movies that have been going on and just want more standalone content like this again.
    You're not alone @FoxRox, I personally prefer more focused cinematic storytelling as opposed to crossovers and cameos that can be used to disguise big narrative flaws.
  • Posts: 11,084
    Denbigh wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Please tell me I’m not the only one sick of the billion crossover movies that have been going on and just want more standalone content like this again.
    You're not alone @FoxRox, I personally prefer more focused cinematic storytelling as opposed to crossovers and cameos that can be used to disguise big narrative flaws.

    THANK you. It just seems like everyone eats that stuff up and I’m just sick of it. I vastly preferred the first Iron Man to all the Marvel crossovers that followed, and I felt like the past several years Batman and Superman were wasted without quality standalone films.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 26 Posts: 4,974
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Please tell me I’m not the only one sick of the billion crossover movies that have been going on and just want more standalone content like this again.
    You're not alone @FoxRox, I personally prefer more focused cinematic storytelling as opposed to crossovers and cameos that can be used to disguise big narrative flaws.
    THANK you. It just seems like everyone eats that stuff up and I’m just sick of it. I vastly preferred the first Iron Man to all the Marvel crossovers that followed, and I felt like the past several years Batman and Superman were wasted without quality standalone films.
    Don't get me wrong I get why people are entertained by them and enjoy them so much, but to call those films masterpieces is what confuses and concerns me.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited February 27 Posts: 2,520
    Denbigh wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Please tell me I’m not the only one sick of the billion crossover movies that have been going on and just want more standalone content like this again.
    You're not alone @FoxRox, I personally prefer more focused cinematic storytelling as opposed to crossovers and cameos that can be used to disguise big narrative flaws.
    THANK you. It just seems like everyone eats that stuff up and I’m just sick of it. I vastly preferred the first Iron Man to all the Marvel crossovers that followed, and I felt like the past several years Batman and Superman were wasted without quality standalone films.
    Don't get me wrong I get why people are entertained by them and enjoy them so much, but to call those films masterpieces is what confuses and concerns me.

    Me too. When I write my superhero stories (for movies) it’s usually just the worlds of Batman and Superman. Or in my pet project, Batgirl and Supergirl. And even then, Batman and Superman are just supporting characters. My writing works also expand their worlds, it’s not just a solo acts with villains we’ve seen before. And also, while the MCU is a great series (MOSTLY), most of the movies are one and done with me. There are some rare cases, but they do feel factory made at their core, while trying to over promote diversity and REALLY BAD jokes and bad people who are bad actors.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Just a heads up, the embargo for The Batman will be lifted by this time tomorrow.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited February 27 Posts: 2,520
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Just a heads up, the embargo for The Batman will be lifted by this time tomorrow.

    Thank you for the information! Also, here’s some of my own.

    https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/batgirl/batgirl-producer-reveals-when-the-movie-will-arrive-on-hbo-max-and-it-is-indeed-coming-this-year-a192379

    I still hope this is coming to theaters. I’m an old timer, I guess, even though I’m pushing 30.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Just a heads up, the embargo for The Batman will be lifted by this time tomorrow.

    Thank you for the information! Also, here’s some of my own.

    https://comicbookmovie.com/batman/batgirl/batgirl-producer-reveals-when-the-movie-will-arrive-on-hbo-max-and-it-is-indeed-coming-this-year-a192379
    I'll be very surprised if it comes out this year. For one, it'll need to come out post The Flash, which is being released early November, so you'd think they'd want that film to breathe a little before giving us another movie with Keaton's Batman.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    A mere two days removed from seeing the film, fellas. I want to give another shoutout to the score before I quietly morph into a Man-Bat creature with a voracious appetite for all things coming my way this Wednesday.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    A bit of a spread of reviews; no bad ones that I've seen but they go from 3/5 to 5/5. Sounds like folk who are up for it will enjoy it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    How will spoilers be handled on here? I'd love to read your all's thoughts (as I've decided to see it in theaters, I'll just be waiting a few weeks for the crowds to die down) but I don't want to be outright spoiled.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How will spoilers be handled on here? I'd love to read your all's thoughts (as I've decided to see it in theaters, I'll just be waiting a few weeks for the crowds to die down) but I don't want to be outright spoiled.
    Well I would hope that people keep with the spoiler tags. I'll definitely be giving non-spoilers thought before anything else when I see the film on Thursday.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    How will spoilers be handled on here? I'd love to read your all's thoughts (as I've decided to see it in theaters, I'll just be waiting a few weeks for the crowds to die down) but I don't want to be outright spoiled.

    I promise to always include spoiler tags when I deem them necessary. I'm really careful about giving away spoilers. I hope others will behave the same way.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 28 Posts: 4,974
    The film is currently sitting at 91% on RT with an 8.2 average, with 119 reviews :)

    It also has a rating of 73 on Metacritic based on 41 critic reviews.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    That's the spirit, lads. Looking forward to hearing some praise and excitement from you all.
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    OK let's keep it spoiler-free ! If ONE more person starts to suggest anything about Mr. Wayne or (gotta say it the right way) "stately Wayne Manor" I'll scream ! And, yes, it's a classic, so it is perfectly reasonable to find a 1955 Lincoln Futura in the garage at stately Wayne Manor. Wealthy folks have the means by which to collect classic vehicles, and, frankly, it may have been in the family right from initial purchase. Did you know that Mr. Barris restored that 1955 beauty in just three weeks ?!!?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I'm constantly checking out the trailer, captivated by the images while a voice in my head keeps reminding me that this film comes from the man who made two epic POTA films that left me in tears.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm constantly checking out the trailer, captivated by the images while a voice in my head keeps reminding me that this film comes from the man who made two epic POTA films that left me in tears.

    Apes movies left you in tears ? Please never see An Affair to Remember, Terms of Endearment, Titanic, to name a few...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    He didn't say those were the only movies that ever left him in tears.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm constantly checking out the trailer, captivated by the images while a voice in my head keeps reminding me that this film comes from the man who made two epic POTA films that left me in tears.

    Apes movies left you in tears ? Please never see An Affair to Remember, Terms of Endearment, Titanic, to name a few...

    I have. Titanic doesn't move me that much. War For The Planet Of The Apes, by contrast, is a though and emotionally exhausting film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm constantly checking out the trailer, captivated by the images while a voice in my head keeps reminding me that this film comes from the man who made two epic POTA films that left me in tears.

    Apes movies left you in tears ? Please never see An Affair to Remember, Terms of Endearment, Titanic, to name a few...

    I have. Titanic doesn't move me that much. War For The Planet Of The Apes, by contrast, is a though and emotionally exhausting film.

    The originals are more full of character, satire & pathos (not to mention REAL make-up).
  • Posts: 11,084
    Got my ticket for this Thursday. Pretty excited just to see a new standalone Batman again honestly. I also like the direction of thrusting him into the action and not rehashing origin stuff.
  • Posts: 13,830
    Don't know when I'll get time to see this one with my schedule as it is. I have a hunch it's far more up my alley than the Nolan films were ( and I did like those movies).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm constantly checking out the trailer, captivated by the images while a voice in my head keeps reminding me that this film comes from the man who made two epic POTA films that left me in tears.

    Apes movies left you in tears ? Please never see An Affair to Remember, Terms of Endearment, Titanic, to name a few...

    I have. Titanic doesn't move me that much. War For The Planet Of The Apes, by contrast, is a though and emotionally exhausting film.

    The originals are more full of character, satire & pathos (not to mention REAL make-up).

    I love the originals, all five of them. The recent three are a totally different thing, though. I marathoned those three in the theatre when War came out. That really was a powerful experience. I won't dismiss the new batch out of nostalgic sentiment. I have nothing but praise for McDowall, Hunter, Evans, ... but what Serkis and others pulled off was nothing short of impressive either. When CGI is done to perfection, it deserves praise too. The way Reeves handled Dawn and War is part of the reason why I'm so excited for The Batman. The man can handle big themes and dark drama. Let Me In, although an obvious remake, is another astonishing job. And I even like Cloverfield. ;-) (I guess we can forgive the man for writing a Steven Seagal film in the '90s... although I like that one too. ;-) ).
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