Time to get rid of Purvis and Wade?

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    They lied.
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    So of all the Bonds they wrote, which film would be Purvis and Wade's crowning achievement ?
  • Well, given that they've had a hand in every Bond film script since The World is Not Enough you'd have to say that they've had a few solid hits and some mighty misses in their times at the plate. I suspect that Casino Royale has fewer detractors than any other film in their resume' so let's go with that one as their crowning achievement.

    Personally, I think P&W take more flak than they really deserve. Knowing what a collaborative medium film is--and the backstage difficulties some of these films have faced just getting to the screen in the first place--being the scriptwriter for, say, Quantum of Solace has got to be an exercise is frustration. And the (relatively recent) quote regarding actual world figures who look more like Bond villains than they do legitimate statesmen (I'm afraid they were looking at you, DJT) seems like no real reason to fault the scripts of P&W at all to my mind. If Eon wishes to bring some fresh voices to the table for Bond 26 and beyond I'm not going to grouse about the decision -- but your garden variety fan grumbling doesn't seem like sufficient reason to fire off the pink slips just yet.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    After TWINE and DAD I very much would have agreed to get rid of them, but they redeemed themselves adequately afterwards. I would never have expected CASINO ROYALE to be so brilliant basically coming from the same writers that brought us the last two (dismal) Brosnan films, even with a bit of support and re-writing from others.
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    I don't hate Purvis and Wade and enjoy most of their films.... that being said I would love o see @peter have a go as I hear he is a fantastic writer :D
  • j_w_pepper wrote: »
    After TWINE and DAD I very much would have agreed to get rid of them, but they redeemed themselves adequately afterwards. I would never have expected CASINO ROYALE to be so brilliant basically coming from the same writers that brought us the last two (dismal) Brosnan films, even with a bit of support and re-writing from others.

    It's that "support and re-writing from others" that makes it difficult for me to gauge the level of success or failure we can attribute directly to P&W.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I don't mind P&W in general, but I think better they have a hand in it instead being the main script writers. We shall see. I bet EON want Phoebe back on board.
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    Either Purvis or Wade (I can't tell the difference between them, nor do I intend to ever learn) has revealed thsemlves to be the real Blofeld at the NTTD premiere.

    robert-wade-and-neal-purvis-attend-the-no-time-to-die-world-premiere-picture-id1343652603?s=2048x2048

    Also, I did think that Phoebe Waller-Bridge should become the new writer for Bond. However, I felt the gags in NTTD were pretty awful. However, she may very well have contributed more. I suppose we will learn more in the weeks and months to come.

    Nevertheless, I saw in a recent Empire interview where Krysty Wilson-Cairns (1917, Last Night in Soho) mentioned her ambition to write a Bond film. I think she mentioned that she had a passing meeting with Broccoli. Though I think it was at a party. In any case, Krysty Wilson-Cairns says she is a huge fan of the franchise and really wants the gig. She's exactly the kind of young British talent that Eon should exploit. It certainly helps that she has an Oscar nomination and has worked with Sam Mendes, Edgar Wright and Taika Waititi (on his upcoming Star Wars movie).

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4880670/
  • In an interesting article published in French newspaper Le Monde last month, Purvis and Wade several times pitched radical new ideas for future Bond films that were rejected. Unfortunately the article is not in open access (https://www.lemonde.fr/m-le-mag/article/2021/10/03/james-bond-l-espion-qu-ils-aimaient_6096890_4500055.html) but here is the translated quote:
    We thought of a Bond told in voice-over like a film noir, or of a film where the secret agent is watched from the outside by a woman. There was also the option of no longer traveling around the whole world. Bond would evolve in a closed place, we would go from a globetrotting secret agent to a paranoiac man.

    Each time their ideas were rejected by Eon. Although I'm myself tired of seeing the duo keep coming back, I find it interesting that they seem more creative than the ultimately made films might suggest. Who knows, maybe if Eon had let Purvis and Waid be more creative, maybe we wouldn't get tired of them.
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    I think they need to go, absolutely. With Casino Royale, Fleming laid the groundwork. I’m sorry, but if you wrote any of the Brosnan stuff, whew. Plenty of great writing teams out there. Why do they keep them on?
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    I've been reading bits of the Q+A Wade and Purvis did at the Regents Cinema and it encapsulates what's wrong with their writing and recent Bond. They stated that the first thing they consider when starting a screenplay is what is Bonds emotional journey. Bond doesn't need an emotional journey in every film, just a mission to be carried out
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    Purvis and Wade are the cancer in the Bond franchise. Am I being drastic? Yes. But the truth is, if production values, casting,…, weren’t ramped up for Craig’s era, we would’ve been in real trouble, as the base writing of the films since 1999, with the exception of the one based heavily on Fleming’s novel, has been utter trite for the most part.

    I’ve hated their methods for a long time, being them reading sci-fi magazines to get plot ideas, or considering Bond’s emotional journey, or having a vault filled with random ideas they go and pick and they’ve run out of…well…ideas. And they have the nerve to say these things in interviews.

    So yes, they really must go. No tears from me.
  • Purvis and Wade I think have certainly overstayed their welcome. It’s arguable that the reason their work on the Craig era has been much more successful than their work on Brosnan era, but I put that down to rewrites from other screenwriters. Wasn’t it Paul Haggis who did the rewrite on Casino Royale?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Purvis and Wade I think have certainly overstayed their welcome. It’s arguable that the reason their work on the Craig era has been much more successful than their work on Brosnan era, but I put that down to rewrites from other screenwriters. Wasn’t it Paul Haggis who did the rewrite on Casino Royale?

    Yes, and Martin Campbell was trying to get them fired for giving him poor work, time after time.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Pufferfish & Whale
  • MaxCasino wrote: »
    Purvis and Wade I think have certainly overstayed their welcome. It’s arguable that the reason their work on the Craig era has been much more successful than their work on Brosnan era, but I put that down to rewrites from other screenwriters. Wasn’t it Paul Haggis who did the rewrite on Casino Royale?

    Yes, and Martin Campbell was trying to get them fired for giving him poor work, time after time.

    Interesting. So Haggis and Fleming’s source novel are probably what made CR’s script work. You’d think Barbara and Michael would listen to the man who successfully established the tone and style of Modern Bond.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Purvis and Wade I think have certainly overstayed their welcome. It’s arguable that the reason their work on the Craig era has been much more successful than their work on Brosnan era, but I put that down to rewrites from other screenwriters. Wasn’t it Paul Haggis who did the rewrite on Casino Royale?

    Yes, and Martin Campbell was trying to get them fired for giving him poor work, time after time.

    I’ve read that before. He didn’t like working with them. I remember some speculation that this is why he didn’t do QOS. Been a long time ago though.
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    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Pufferfish & Whale

    I laughed out loud
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    That's all fine and dandy, but again this doesn't explain what happened to Neal Purvis hair.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Pufferfish & Whale

    I laughed out loud

    ;)
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    Univex wrote: »
    Purvis and Wade are the cancer in the Bond franchise. Am I being drastic? Yes. But the truth is, if production values, casting,…, weren’t ramped up for Craig’s era, we would’ve been in real trouble, as the base writing of the films since 1999, with the exception of the one based heavily on Fleming’s novel, has been utter trite for the most part.

    I’ve hated their methods for a long time, being them reading sci-fi magazines to get plot ideas, or considering Bond’s emotional journey, or having a vault filled with random ideas they go and pick and they’ve run out of…well…ideas. And they have the nerve to say these things in interviews.

    So yes, they really must go. No tears from me.

    I agree. The pair of them are despicable. The next writer needs to be as good as Richard Maibaum - an excellent screenwriter who is prepared to go back to the novels and not be ashamed to lift entire scenes from the books. Get rid of retcon BS, get rid of Bond's family struggles and personal angst.

    Bring back a tough, violent, no nonsense espionage thriller, where Bond bleeds and gets battered, but that's as human as he gets. No more P&W BS.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Hadn't Wurvis and Pade actually been dumped for SP, but then got brought back really late in the process when it was all falling apart? If EON see them as having saved the day, they might be around for the forseeable. Bond scripts always go through several re-writes and polishes by different hands, so they'll probably be in there somewhere, but I'd prefer a clean sweep for Bond 26. Purvis and Wade have, er, entertained us enough. Cough.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    Stamper wrote: »
    That's all fine and dandy, but again this doesn't explain what happened to Neal Purvis hair.

    In order to better write Blofeld, he had to become fully invested in being him...
  • Eon should give the job to Warren Ellis to write Bond 26.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Purvis and Wade are the cancer in the Bond franchise. Am I being drastic? Yes. But the truth is, if production values, casting,…, weren’t ramped up for Craig’s era, we would’ve been in real trouble, as the base writing of the films since 1999, with the exception of the one based heavily on Fleming’s novel, has been utter trite for the most part.

    I’ve hated their methods for a long time, being them reading sci-fi magazines to get plot ideas, or considering Bond’s emotional journey, or having a vault filled with random ideas they go and pick and they’ve run out of…well…ideas. And they have the nerve to say these things in interviews.

    So yes, they really must go. No tears from me.

    I agree. The pair of them are despicable. The next writer needs to be as good as Richard Maibaum - an excellent screenwriter who is prepared to go back to the novels and not be ashamed to lift entire scenes from the books. Get rid of retcon BS, get rid of Bond's family struggles and personal angst.

    Bring back a tough, violent, no nonsense espionage thriller, where Bond bleeds and gets battered, but that's as human as he gets. No more P&W BS.

    My friend, we speak the same language. Yes, yes, and yes!! I have seen some day go back to being light, soft, and other bologna. My greatest fear is that will bring in the idiotic Marvel comedy to Bond and start using contrived gadgets. That’s my worst fear going forward. With Marvel, the world is exploding around them and they’re bantering with the most inane stupid comedic dialogue. Gives me a headache thinking about it. And Downey’s Ironman was the worst for that. Anyways, let’s just hope they don’t go that route with Bond. I honestly could not watch that crap.
  • Eon should give the job to Warren Ellis to write Bond 26.
    While I liked some titles written by Ellis like Hellblazer, I don't think his Bond comics were that good. It wasn't bad, but far from being the best thing published by Dynamite; Benjamin Percy's Black Box and especially Andy Diggle's Hammerhead and Kill Chain were far superior. Also, Ellis never cracked the Bond villain formula and his bad guys were quite boring.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Wholeheatridly agree with Getafix on his original post here.

    P&W are brainstormers - not top tier screenwriters.
    They start from scratch to build a plot, a basic screenplay-draft based on their, granted, solid knowledge of the James Bond universe.

    This is utterly evident from the fact that both CR and QoS have, easily, most of the best dialogue from the post Maibaum and Wilson era. Paul Haggis heavily edited the scripts, and injected them with the needed subtlety (not P&W strong suit), edge and, for lack of a better word - 'oomph'.


  • Jesse Armstrong would do a killer job with a Bond script.
  • Eon should give the job to Warren Ellis to write Bond 26.
    While I liked some titles written by Ellis like Hellblazer, I don't think his Bond comics were that good. It wasn't bad, but far from being the best thing published by Dynamite; Benjamin Percy's Black Box and especially Andy Diggle's Hammerhead and Kill Chain were far superior. Also, Ellis never cracked the Bond villain formula and his bad guys were quite boring.

    I haven't read Blackbox yet I will check it out. Eon should give the job to new writers.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://squaremile.com/features/james-bond-books-anthony-horowitz/

    A long read, but enjoyable and insightful from someone who’s a true writer who understands James Bond. EON, take notes. Anthony Horowitz deserves a shot.
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