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Nowhere near as bad as this.
Well I can see that! :D
I genuinely wish I could get beyond that ending, because for the first hour the film was superb, probably some of the best scenes in the entire franchise.
But the ending totally ruins it for me, which is why I'm probably more disappointed about it than I should be. Had the rest of the film been absolute total garbage too, it would be a much easier one to simply get over, like DAD for example.
The buyers were approaching the island to get Heracles, that would've caused mass murder and global devastation.
Have you even watched the film?
And if these “buyers” were approaching why not target them instead?
The first buyers that were approaching the island on two boats in order to buy Heracles.
The MI6 didn't know they were buyers. Once they find out later on those individuals were there for Heracles (thanks to Swann) M is adamant to wait in order to find a way to solve the things diplomatically with the Russians and the Japanese, "we'll see what we can do".
Moments later, after saying goodbye to Swann, Bond convinces a reluctant M to launch the missiles once he opened the blast doors in order to destroy the island, since that was the only way to prevent Heracles, such a potentially end of the world type of weapon, to leak destroying it once and for all. Let's not forget Bond had 9 minutes to leave the island - so that was a reasonable plan - after the missiles were launched and that destroying ships in Russian/Japanese waters would've generated an uncontrolled worldwide interest (there were Russians MiGs already flying over Q's plane). Burning the island to the ground was the best decision in order to obliterate Heracles forever without giving a chance to other nations to put their fingers on it and even ever know about it.
Bond knew that and decided to go all in, because you know, he's James Bond.
You asked about waiting one hour to bomb the island after killing the buyers. How about the risk of Heracles leaking? How about someone else closing the blast doors once Bond would've left. How about Safin escaping with some doses? How about Russian, Japanese and even Americans going there right after the Brits nuked a couple of random boats in Russian waters with no apparent reason?
You seem to fail to understand the logic because the focus of the mission was to destroy Heracles, not to find a way to do it once Bond was 100% safe...
All those moments there highlight how naff the script was at this stage in the film. It basically fell off a cliff.
We've all argued the merits of whether something works stronger in the books, or stronger what was adapted to screen. GF for example, works better on what they adapted to film than Fleming's novel, as does the brutal train fight scene in FRWL which wasn't in the novel either.
But NTTD, which starts clearly down a path of adapting the end of YOLT, detours at the last minute and gives us something far sillier instead. No real need for the garden (just a token gesture), Safin instead of Blofeld, Madeline, child and teddy running about the place, and Bond standing still while missiles rain down on him so he can kill himself.
This is definitely one time the original material was far stronger than what was adapted. It also wouldn't have polarised the fanbase either.
Europe disagrees.
EDIT: NTTD had an A- Cinemascore and most importantly achieved the 2nd best drop on its second weekend among the top 5 highest grossing films of 2021, bested only by the US-only phenomenon that was Shang-Chi. That means the word of mouth is solid. So your story doesn't apply in the greater scheme.
Are you talking about that “pond” that Safin’s minions were sweeping with their brooms? Lol! Which is hilarious just thinking about it. Where was that pond going to leak? And why didn’t it leak before but all of a sudden would leak now? That whole concept is so ridiculous that perhaps it’s silly to even discuss or try to justify it.
I guess in order to discuss something rationally there should be some basis for reality there. Which of course there’s none of in this movie. So what we’re trying to rationalize is the leakage of some fairy tale pond with nanobots in it. This is nonsensical sci-fi territory.
There are only two possible options.
You didn't even saw the film or you completely failed to followed it.
Do you even understood what Heracles is and how it works?
Perhaps you didn't noticed that Waldo travels with doses of Heracles in his luggage and that in his lab there were hundreds of thousands of doses ready to be potentially shipped. Jesus C...
Ah, the buyers were on two boats. That shot was even in some trailer.
You mean that the US (North American) box office doesn’t matter very matter in the big scheme of things? The US box office is the hub of the world box office. Look at box office mojo. There is the domestic box office (US), and then there’s worldwide. Why does it just focus on the US (domestic) box office so much? I think the answer to that is pretty apparent. My local cinema owner said one couple showed up for yesterday’s 4 pm show. He said, “I knew we had to get rid of this thing. Going to bring Venom 2 back to make some money.” Good job Eon!
No, your local cinema story doesn’t matter. After 10 days NTTD in the States is still performing well and it’s not suffering from this sentiment. If you guys prefer rubbish like Venom 2, Shang Chi and other nonsense it’s not EoN’s fault anyway.
Here’s what does matter, personal stories aside, etc. Initial projection of NTTD US box office: $90 to $100 mill opening weekend—actual $56 million. Worldwide box office: around $450 million. Has to make around $900 million to break even or make money. Those numbers matter a great deal. In no way is this movie a success monetarily (which is all that matters).
On the other hand, it’s about to be the second highest grossing Hollywood film of the year once it surpasses KONG vs GODZILLA this weekend. And has already surpassed three Marvel films (BLACK WIDOW, SHANG-CHI, and VENOM).
The only other film that has a chance to overtake it is SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME.
So? This is a movie designed for a market that doesn’t exist anymore and the cause was the pandemic. Plus, a film is profitable far beyond its theatrical run.
Just for the record NTTD will be #3 at the worldwide boxoffice at the end of the year. SP was #6 back in 2015. And since Bond is not exactly for kids and families, without mentioning the fact that was the first big film delayed because of COVID, is the blockbuster that suffered the most for the pandemic.
To sum up, treating its international run like a disappointment is just ridiculous.
N.B. Those $100 million prediction were never serious. Variety predicted something within the $60/75 million the day before that crazy one.
And there isn’t really a scientist named Valdo Obruchev. Really.
Bottom line is the writers came up with this nonsense that you’re so taken with in order to kill Bond. There’s no leakage and no buyers to blame. They wanted to kill Bond and they killed Bond. End of story.
This conversation is over anyway.
THUNDERBALL did this when the French agent sarcastically tells Bond after the jet pack escape “that was very practical”
Sanchez and his drugs with a basic battle between 2 people on a moving truck, GF wanting to destroy the gold at Fort Knox, Bond winning a game of cards to mess up the villain's plans, Bond being lured into a trap while on the Orient Express.
That to me is Bond, not the farce that plagued much of NTTD, where the best parts of the film were the simple, basic things - the whole brilliant PTS, Bond taking a shower in Jamaica, Bond and Felix exchanging banter in a bar. These smaller moments is where the film triumphed, not nanobots, Hercules, roving eyes, and missiles raining down on Bond as he commits suicide because he has infected his other half and his daughter with nanobots.
Utter crap!
Well, I found the end of NTTD truly noble and heroic; also fitting. I know this thread says "possible spoilers" but I would be more comfortable if you added a spoiler tag to your above post, @jetsetwilly.
They can’t risk a boat entering and/or leaving the island. Heracles isn’t yet on the approaching boats, it’s on the island. Hence - destroy the island. It’s very simple. Hate the nanobots all you want, that’s a separate issue, but the logic is clear.
And to clarify, the solution here is not to kill Bond. They expect him to clear the island before impact.