NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Discuss Hans Zimmer's Score

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  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I really enjoyed Zimmer's score but I do wonder what Arnold would have done, especially given how many callbacks and references are made to CR and QOS.
    Maybe he could have created something new instead of them leaning on the OHMMS score as well

    Would have loved Craig's last outing to be scored by Arnold. His two Craig scores are amazing and I think he would have produced another masterpiece for NTTD.
  • Zekidk wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    InTheWind wrote: »
    I went to great lengths to go into 007 blind. I had no idea Zimmer scored the film before I saw it. I was astounded. I honestly feel it's his best work.
    Better than Gladiator, Inception, Interstellar, Da Vinci Code, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight series, The Last Samurai, Black Hawk Down, Thelma and Louise etc? Really?
    I most certainly don't share that opinion, although I love the NTTD soundtrack.
    Thelma and Louise? Lol. Does anyone really remember that movie for Zimmer’s score?
    Yes, as a matter of fact we are some that do remember the great OST for that movie.
    Can’t say that particular piece does much for me. Now, if you had posted something from BROKEN ARROW that would be a different story. That was an excellent Zimmer score!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m glad Arnold’s been gone. I’d like it to stay that way. He did five scores. Enough is enough.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,547
    Zekidk wrote: »
    InTheWind wrote: »
    I went to great lengths to go into 007 blind. I had no idea Zimmer scored the film before I saw it. I was astounded. I honestly feel it's his best work.
    Better than Gladiator, Inception, Interstellar, Da Vinci Code, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight series, The Last Samurai, Black Hawk Down, Thelma and Louise etc? Really?
    I most certainly don't share that opinion, although I love the NTTD soundtrack.
    Thelma and Louise? Lol. Does anyone really remember that movie for Zimmer’s score?

    Black Rain, on the other hand... plenty of atmosphere due to his score.

    The first Zimmer score that caught my attention was Pacific Heights (going way back to 1990):

  • edited October 2021 Posts: 12,828
    I wasn’t keen on the score on first watch, but I really enjoyed it on my second viewing. Suited Craig’s Bond much better than Newman’s dull, stately sounding efforts imo. Muscular, moody, pacey intense. I loved the electronic elements, and how he used the Bond theme. And the track that played over the ending managed to feel heartbreaking without sounding mawkish. It isn’t Barry, but I thought it was a really fresh and modern score that suited the film perfectly. Kind of a modern day equivalent of the LALD and LTK scores, in its own way. It felt like that kind of reinvention to me, when it was on form.

    The only thing I didn’t like was the use of themes from OHMSS. Just pulled me right out of the film every time, just as the visual nods did. I get what they were trying to do. Evoke memories of that film before flipping the iconic ending on its head. So, I guess it’s too subversive to call outright fanwank. But I still wasn’t a fan. I think there’s been far too much nostalgia in the last few films.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    InTheWind wrote: »
    I went to great lengths to go into 007 blind. I had no idea Zimmer scored the film before I saw it. I was astounded. I honestly feel it's his best work.
    Better than Gladiator, Inception, Interstellar, Da Vinci Code, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight series, The Last Samurai, Black Hawk Down, Thelma and Louise etc? Really?
    I most certainly don't share that opinion, although I love the NTTD soundtrack.
    Thelma and Louise? Lol. Does anyone really remember that movie for Zimmer’s score?

    Black Rain, on the other hand... plenty of atmosphere due to his score.

    The first Zimmer score that caught my attention was Pacific Heights (going way back to 1990):


    I used to have that score on vinyl. Pretty good. My favourites of his are Gladiator, Dark Knight Rises and Inception.
  • A whole bunch of tracks not on the OST are now up on YouTube via MGM Music :
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    A whole bunch of tracks not on the OST are now up on YouTube via MGM Music :

    Thank you for the heads up. I can't get this one out of my head:

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    A whole bunch of tracks not on the OST are now up on YouTube via MGM Music :

    Thanks. I wish that they would do this sort of playlist for the other movies.

    I had Ruff Times by Norris Man as a track that was going to be used in NTTD. Did this one not make it?

  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    I'll be playing this next time I am cooking!

  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
    edited October 2021 Posts: 42
    I have taken a stab re ideas when these appear in the film but open to suggestions. Having problems with the Cuban music!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2cdsPmRbNVl8ebPVz8PGcw/videos
    1) Cuban Jazz Legends - La Mulata Rumbera Appears in ????

    2) Yma Sumac - Incacho (Royal Anthem) Appears while Q is cooking

    3) Pio Leiva - Ritmo de Mi Cuba - Appears in ????

    4) Jah Buzz - Love In The Arena - Appears when Bond's car won't start and Nomi arrives to see if he wants a lift

    5) Louis Armstrong - We Have All The Time In The World Appears in End credits

    6) Andrés Emilio Cartaya - Golpe de Arpa

    7) La Sonora Matancera - Cumbia De Buenaventura - Appears in the scene right after Bond gets off his boat in Santiago. He's walking through the street before meeting Paloma (thanks to mattjoes)

    8) Shaggy - Money Up (feat. Noah Powa) - Appears in Nightclub when Bond talks to Felix at the bar

    9) Buju Banton - Champion - Appears in Nightclub when Felix and Bond playing with coins while chatting

    10) Sister Nancy - Bam Bam - Appears when Bond, Felix and Logan walk towards nightclub seeking 'a quiet place to talk'

    11) Teacha Dee - Rastafari Way - Appears when Bond leaves his house and drives past Nomi on the side of the road before he bumps into Felix

    12) La Boheme: Che gelida manina - Appears when Bond and Madeline in bed arriving at Matera

    13) Louis Attaque - J't'emmène au vent - Possibly appears in the young Madeline Norway sequence, she is listening to it on her walkman?

    14) Dalida - Dans la ville endormie - Appears with Young Madeline and her mother in pre-title sequence
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    Got my hopes up there for a second that they'd released the rest of the film's score.

    Very cool for MGM music to have done this. I guess their licenses extended to using the songs for promotion, as well as in the film itself?

    And given this soundtrack's popularity and sales, I have to believe that if there were ever a Bond score with a slam dunk case for a complete/expanded release at a later date, this would be the one.
  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Got my hopes up there for a second that they'd released the rest of the film's score.

    Very cool for MGM music to have done this. I guess their licenses extended to using the songs for promotion, as well as in the film itself?

    And given this soundtrack's popularity and sales, I have to believe that if there were ever a Bond score with a slam dunk case for a complete/expanded release at a later date, this would be the one.

    I do hope the full score comes out in time - and Zimmer often produces suites for his works, so I was surprised we didn't get a fuller release of his take on the Bond theme, for example. Maybe there will be something to this effect too.
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Got my hopes up there for a second that they'd released the rest of the film's score.

    Very cool for MGM music to have done this. I guess their licenses extended to using the songs for promotion, as well as in the film itself?

    And given this soundtrack's popularity and sales, I have to believe that if there were ever a Bond score with a slam dunk case for a complete/expanded release at a later date, this would be the one.

    I do hope the full score comes out in time - and Zimmer often produces suites for his works, so I was surprised we didn't get a fuller release of his take on the Bond theme, for example. Maybe there will be something to this effect too.

    Going over some of the discussion on his official website (from folks who work/are connected with RCP), it seems that time on this project didn't allow for his conventional approach of creating suites and sketchbooks first.

    No Time to Die is described there as having been a "2-3 month rescue mission" (not sure I fully believe that, though) which makes the end product all the more incredible to me. The implication is they basically had to move straight to scoring to picture vs. spending much time ideating in those sketchbooks like he did for Dune, or Man of Steel, etc.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Very impressive if true. After Romer's departure I figured it was a given that David Arnold would receive the call. I'm a huge fan of Arnold's work, but in retrospect, I'm glad Zimmer got the chance to do it. I love the score and would be happy to see him score the next one - especially if he is involved sooner.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited October 2021 Posts: 658
    Mallory wrote: »
    @mtm r.e. the Eilish song.

    The Eilish theme is so laser focused on the Bond and Madeleine relationship (it lyrics almost exclusively refer to it) that to use it outside of that would be weird.

    If I remember correctly Eilish and her brother were provided access to the PTS in order to write the song, which is a kind of summary of emotional events from the CraigBond perspective, especially his feeling(s) of betrayal ["Fool me once, fool me twice"].
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Thank you. Listened to the whole thing. Oddly I think the best parts are where he reuses Barry's cues ('Matera','Good to have you back') Maybe because they are recognizable. The stand alone track 'Final Ascent' is really fantastic, though, IMO. Reminds me of his older track 'Time' he did for Inception.
    This is most likely played either when one of the protagonists die or is being buried.

    I agree. I hear "Time" in that, as well as "Journey to the Line" from The Thin Red Line. For good measure, Zimmer also seems to be borrowing from the Arvo Part classic, "Cantus."

    Yes, the influence of Arvo Pärt ... in Final Ascent, I can hear that, too.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Ryan wrote: »
    Very impressive if true. After Romer's departure I figured it was a given that David Arnold would receive the call. I'm a huge fan of Arnold's work, but in retrospect, I'm glad Zimmer got the chance to do it. I love the score and would be happy to see him score the next one - especially if he is involved sooner.

    I assume Arnold has never been invited back because he’s never been able to attract an Oscar nomination in five films despite EON’s campaigning. Once they got that taste with Newman, they were more inclined to look for other Oscar winning composers rather than bring back Arnold.
  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
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    AgentM72 wrote: »
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    Got my hopes up there for a second that they'd released the rest of the film's score.

    Very cool for MGM music to have done this. I guess their licenses extended to using the songs for promotion, as well as in the film itself?

    And given this soundtrack's popularity and sales, I have to believe that if there were ever a Bond score with a slam dunk case for a complete/expanded release at a later date, this would be the one.

    I do hope the full score comes out in time - and Zimmer often produces suites for his works, so I was surprised we didn't get a fuller release of his take on the Bond theme, for example. Maybe there will be something to this effect too.

    Going over some of the discussion on his official website (from folks who work/are connected with RCP), it seems that time on this project didn't allow for his conventional approach of creating suites and sketchbooks first.

    No Time to Die is described there as having been a "2-3 month rescue mission" (not sure I fully believe that, though) which makes the end product all the more incredible to me. The implication is they basically had to move straight to scoring to picture vs. spending much time ideating in those sketchbooks like he did for Dune, or Man of Steel, etc.

    Very interesting - thank you for this. For reference this is the thread referred to:
    https://hans-zimmer.com/discography/1/project/3496 if true it would explain a lot.

    One other point raised is that perhaps Broccoli and Wilson don't want 'sketches' made public for brand purposes. Who knows?
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 6,645
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    InTheWind wrote: »
    I went to great lengths to go into 007 blind. I had no idea Zimmer scored the film before I saw it. I was astounded. I honestly feel it's his best work.
    Better than Gladiator, Inception, Interstellar, Da Vinci Code, Man of Steel, The Dark Knight series, The Last Samurai, Black Hawk Down, Thelma and Louise etc? Really?
    I most certainly don't share that opinion, although I love the NTTD soundtrack.
    Thelma and Louise? Lol. Does anyone really remember that movie for Zimmer’s score?

    Black Rain, on the other hand... plenty of atmosphere due to his score.

    The first Zimmer score that caught my attention was Pacific Heights (going way back to 1990):

    I like this score, and I love the film.

    I have taken a stab re ideas when these appear in the film but open to suggestions. Having problems with the Cuban music!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2cdsPmRbNVl8ebPVz8PGcw/videos
    1) Cuban Jazz Legends - La Mulata Rumbera Appears in ????

    2) Yma Sumac - Incacho (Royal Anthem) Appears while Q is cooking

    3) Pio Leiva - Ritmo de Mi Cuba - Appears in ????

    4) Jah Buzz - Love In The Arena - Appears when Bond's car won't start and Nomi arrives to see if he wants a lift

    5) Louis Armstrong - We Have All The Time In The World Appears in End credits

    6) Andrés Emilio Cartaya - Golpe de Arpa

    7) La Sonora Matancera - Cumbia De Buenaventura

    8) Shaggy - Money Up (feat. Noah Powa) - Appears in Nightclub when Bond talks to Felix at the bar

    9) Buju Banton - Champion - Appears in Nightclub when Felix and Bond playing with coins while chatting

    10) Sister Nancy - Bam Bam - Appears when Bond, Felix and Logan walk towards nightclub seeking 'a quiet place to talk'

    11) Teacha Dee - Rastafari Way - Appears when Bond leaves his house and drives past Nomi on the side of the road before he bumps into Felix

    12) La Boheme: Che gelida manina - Appears when Bond and Madeline in bed arriving at Matera

    13) Louis Attaque - J't'emmène au vent - Possibly appears in the young Madeline Norway sequence, she is listening to it on her walkman?

    14) Dalida - Dans la ville endormie - Appears with Young Madeline and her mother in pre-title sequence
    @chrisesqetc Just came back from a second viewing. Cumbia de Buenaventura plays in the scene right after Bond gets off his boat in Santiago. He's walking through the street before meeting Paloma. It's the first piece of music that plays in that scene, and it's only heard for, what, five seconds? But it's there.

    I also just noticed that in the film, the version of NTTD that plays when Bond is in Madeleine's house (titled Home in the soundtrack album) has no female voice, just the piano.

    Also, this time I paid more attention to the end credits piece after Louis Armstrong. It begins with a part taken from Square Escape, and then goes through segments of other tracks, the last of which is Back to MI6. But after that, it appears to segue into Bond theme material that isn't in the soundtrack album.
  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
    edited October 2021 Posts: 42
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I have taken a stab re ideas when these appear in the film but open to suggestions. Having problems with the Cuban music!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2cdsPmRbNVl8ebPVz8PGcw/videos
    1) Cuban Jazz Legends - La Mulata Rumbera Appears in ????

    2) Yma Sumac - Incacho (Royal Anthem) Appears while Q is cooking

    3) Pio Leiva - Ritmo de Mi Cuba - Appears in ????

    4) Jah Buzz - Love In The Arena - Appears when Bond's car won't start and Nomi arrives to see if he wants a lift

    5) Louis Armstrong - We Have All The Time In The World Appears in End credits

    6) Andrés Emilio Cartaya - Golpe de Arpa

    7) La Sonora Matancera - Cumbia De Buenaventura

    8) Shaggy - Money Up (feat. Noah Powa) - Appears in Nightclub when Bond talks to Felix at the bar

    9) Buju Banton - Champion - Appears in Nightclub when Felix and Bond playing with coins while chatting

    10) Sister Nancy - Bam Bam - Appears when Bond, Felix and Logan walk towards nightclub seeking 'a quiet place to talk'

    11) Teacha Dee - Rastafari Way - Appears when Bond leaves his house and drives past Nomi on the side of the road before he bumps into Felix

    12) La Boheme: Che gelida manina - Appears when Bond and Madeline in bed arriving at Matera

    13) Louis Attaque - J't'emmène au vent - Possibly appears in the young Madeline Norway sequence, she is listening to it on her walkman?

    14) Dalida - Dans la ville endormie - Appears with Young Madeline and her mother in pre-title sequence
    @chrisesqetc Just came back from a second viewing. Cumbia de Buenaventura plays in the scene right after Bond gets off his boat in Santiago. He's walking through the street before meeting Paloma. It's the first piece of music that plays in that scene, and it's only heard for, what, five seconds? But it's there.

    I also just noticed that in the film, the version of NTTD that plays when Bond is in Madeleine's house (titled Home in the soundtrack album) has no female voice, just the piano.

    Also, this time I paid more attention to the end credits piece after Louis Armstrong. It begins with a part taken from Square Escape, and then goes through segments of other tracks, the last of which is Back to MI6. But after that, it appears to segue into Bond theme material that isn't in the soundtrack album.

    Thanks for this @mattjoes ! Good spot - I have updated the list :) Interesting about the end credits piece. Was the latter piece of 'Bond theme material' a full lively rendition of the theme? I am hoping maybe one day a suite surfaces!
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 6,645
    mattjoes wrote: »
    I have taken a stab re ideas when these appear in the film but open to suggestions. Having problems with the Cuban music!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2cdsPmRbNVl8ebPVz8PGcw/videos
    1) Cuban Jazz Legends - La Mulata Rumbera Appears in ????

    2) Yma Sumac - Incacho (Royal Anthem) Appears while Q is cooking

    3) Pio Leiva - Ritmo de Mi Cuba - Appears in ????

    4) Jah Buzz - Love In The Arena - Appears when Bond's car won't start and Nomi arrives to see if he wants a lift

    5) Louis Armstrong - We Have All The Time In The World Appears in End credits

    6) Andrés Emilio Cartaya - Golpe de Arpa

    7) La Sonora Matancera - Cumbia De Buenaventura

    8) Shaggy - Money Up (feat. Noah Powa) - Appears in Nightclub when Bond talks to Felix at the bar

    9) Buju Banton - Champion - Appears in Nightclub when Felix and Bond playing with coins while chatting

    10) Sister Nancy - Bam Bam - Appears when Bond, Felix and Logan walk towards nightclub seeking 'a quiet place to talk'

    11) Teacha Dee - Rastafari Way - Appears when Bond leaves his house and drives past Nomi on the side of the road before he bumps into Felix

    12) La Boheme: Che gelida manina - Appears when Bond and Madeline in bed arriving at Matera

    13) Louis Attaque - J't'emmène au vent - Possibly appears in the young Madeline Norway sequence, she is listening to it on her walkman?

    14) Dalida - Dans la ville endormie - Appears with Young Madeline and her mother in pre-title sequence
    @chrisesqetc Just came back from a second viewing. Cumbia de Buenaventura plays in the scene right after Bond gets off his boat in Santiago. He's walking through the street before meeting Paloma. It's the first piece of music that plays in that scene, and it's only heard for, what, five seconds? But it's there.

    I also just noticed that in the film, the version of NTTD that plays when Bond is in Madeleine's house (titled Home in the soundtrack album) has no female voice, just the piano.

    Also, this time I paid more attention to the end credits piece after Louis Armstrong. It begins with a part taken from Square Escape, and then goes through segments of other tracks, the last of which is Back to MI6. But after that, it appears to segue into Bond theme material that isn't in the soundtrack album.

    Thanks for this @mattjoes ! Good spot - I have updated the list :) Interesting about the end credits piece. Was the latter piece of 'Bond theme material' a full lively rendition of the theme? I am hoping maybe one day a suite surfaces!

    It was pretty energetic, but it wasn't that long, as far as I can remember. Back to MI6 crossfades into it, if I remember correctly.

    We can get our greedy hands on this music after the home video release of the film. ;)

    I'd also like to get that vocal-less version of Home. I can see why they removed the vocals for the film; the music would have overpowered the scene.
  • brinkeguthriebrinkeguthrie Piz Gloria
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    When is this out? Says 10-7 but I don't see it anywhere.
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    When is this out? Says 10-7 but I don't see it anywhere.
    https://shop.decca.com/*/*/Bond-25/6Q8E0000000

    2022
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    This from memory is my stab at NTTD end credits

    https://mega.nz/file/510DhSpT#haGdFvURweHvrJI3thnhXuiWI55GJIaR2i4-U_weJ_o
  • Bernie99 wrote: »
    The music, when Safin arrives at the house to kill Madeleine, is not on the soundtrack. I don't mean the French chanson, but the score. Does anybody per chance know the piece? Appreciated.

    https://www.stevemazzaro.com/news/no-time-to-die-unreleased-music

    The implication is very much that Mazzaro wrote this rather than Zimmer. In the cinema I thought this was one of the best cues, particularly with that cello (very Johan Johannson), so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
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    I thought the score was good from Zimmer, but no track left a lasting impression. Would like to see David Arnold come back for future films.
  • I like the Zimmer score because it's bold and traditionally cinematic in the way the last two scores weren't. They were okay, but felt like generic action movie scores without any feel for the series' history. At least the Zimmer score doesn't shy away from the occasional brassy Barry swing.
    I still don't know how I'd rate the NTTD score alongside the five Arnold scores. I may prefer it to a couple of them, but I've only had a few headphones listens to NTTD. It's certainly inventive and layered enough to show there's some real thought gone into it. 'Final Ascent' (the penultimate track) is certainly better than anything Newman came up with, without a doubt. I think it'll be seen as a classic bit of Bond movie music in the years to come, but perhaps not yet.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    I thought the score was good from Zimmer, but no track left a lasting impression. Would like to see David Arnold come back for future films.

    If they hadn't wasted all those months using Romer and just got Arnold back, they wouldn't have had only a short time for Zimmer to produce a score. And no doubt we'd have got another amazing score from Arnold.

    But like James Bond, Arnold will return 😁
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m glad Arnold didn’t return. He had a five film run. Better to bring in new blood.
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