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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    https://www.cbr.com/marvel-black-widow-disney-plus/

    Some more delays and reasons to get Disney+, it seems.

    Still gotta pay extra.
  • edited March 27 Posts: 13,951
    The Falcon and Winter Soldier episode 1 great start already locked into this. I like the tone they have gone with, feels like a movie sequel to the Cap movies.

    Edited: I watched episode 2 even better I like where they are going with this and there is some deep dive character work here that I was hoping for.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Digitalia
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    That's quite funny, Brie gets a hard time from some though I like her.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.comicbookmovie.com/spider-man/doctor-strange-2-director-sam-raimi-shares-inspirational-message-about-why-he-helmed-the-original-spider-man-a183648#gs.xqpyhv

    A powerful message. It explains why his first 2 movies with Spider-Man are so great (second is better than the first, in my opinion)!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    What he says about Spidey is how I feel about Batman.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Spider Man 2 probably remains the best superhero movie made so far for my money.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    If find that movie somewhat overrated. It's a good film though, don't get me wrong.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I could easily name some other superhero movies I think are overrated... there was one quite recently.. ;)
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    I prefer Raimi's first Spiderman movie mainly down to Defoe. The second one is good, the extended version of the train battle is superb.

    Neither films get into my top five greatest superhero films.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's juts more pure emotion and heart than most of them, for me. As you say, the train fight is superb and the conclusion hits an emotional resonance that I can't think of any other superhero film quite hitting since.
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    One of the things that drags the Spiderman Trilogy down for me is Kirsten Dunst portrail of Mary Jane, I find the character intolerable (being kind).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Okay, I don't quite see that. I like how she's really integral to the whole thing- even the Superman films sidelined Lois way too much I think (and again in the most recent ones where her role was pretty much just 'be sad'). In Raimi's Spider-Man films she's pretty much as important as Peter is and motivates much of his actions.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    One of the things that drags the Spiderman Trilogy down for me is Kirsten Dunst portrail of Mary Jane, I find the character intolerable (being kind).

    I agree, I think she is one of the worst love interests in the history of love interests. She’s mean, selfish, a whore who flip flops with everyone, the list is endless! She’s the Grandpa Joe of love interests! Dafoe made a great villain, but Molina made a great one that was also sympathetic. Which would influence the great PS4 game it would seem. And the second Spider-Man I liked because it could be goofy, without going too overboard unlike the MCU at large.
  • edited April 1 Posts: 13,951
    mtm wrote: »
    Okay, I don't quite see that. I like how she's really integral to the whole thing- even the Superman films sidelined Lois way too much I think (and again in the most recent ones where her role was pretty much just 'be sad'). In Raimi's Spider-Man films she's pretty much as important as Peter is and motivates much of his actions.

    I am not disputing the characters importance, the characterisation itself is well... obnoxious.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    One of the things that drags the Spiderman Trilogy down for me is Kirsten Dunst portrail of Mary Jane, I find the character intolerable (being kind).

    I agree, I think she is one of the worst love interests in the history of love interests. She’s mean, selfish, a whore who flip flops with everyone, the list is endless! She’s the Grandpa Joe of love interests! Dafoe made a great villain, but Molina made a great one that was also sympathetic. Which would influence the great PS4 game it would seem. And the second Spider-Man I liked because it could be goofy, without going too overboard unlike the MCU at large.

    Dunst's Mary Jane is incredibly self centered and unlikeable.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    One of the things that drags the Spiderman Trilogy down for me is Kirsten Dunst portrail of Mary Jane, I find the character intolerable (being kind).

    I agree, I think she is one of the worst love interests in the history of love interests. She’s mean, selfish, a whore who flip flops with everyone, the list is endless!

    A 'whore'?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    One of the things that drags the Spiderman Trilogy down for me is Kirsten Dunst portrail of Mary Jane, I find the character intolerable (being kind).

    I agree, I think she is one of the worst love interests in the history of love interests. She’s mean, selfish, a whore who flip flops with everyone, the list is endless!

    A 'whore'?

    She was always seeing other guys when she was mad at Peter. Attention whore.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Attention whore.

    Makes a tiny bit of sense. She is an actress.

    Still, I'd say Dunst's Mary Jane is probably the worst love interest after the replacement Lois Lane in Superman Returns.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I'd take Dunst over Maggie Gyllenhaal's Rachel Dawes in The Dark Knight, though only just; both incredibly irritating to the point where I do not understand why the protagonists see anything in them (Emma Stone's Gwen Stacy leaves Dunst's MJ for dust in every department, really). Bosworth's Lois Lane is a good shout, too.

    Though we do have plenty of strong ones, thankfully - Margot Kidder's Lois, Hayley Atwell's Peggy Carter, Paltrow's Pepper Potts etc.
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    Emma Stone was great as Gwen one of the best things in both Amazing Spiderman films.

    Penelope Ann Miller in The Shadow is another I like.
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    The Falcon and Winter Soldier episode 3, the weakest episode so far despite those involved. There was blatant fan service in some of the dialogue that undermined the tone established in the first two episodes.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I’m happy, one of the best supervillain performances in movies.

    https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-no-way-home-alfred-molina-doc-ock-confirm/
  • edited April 17 Posts: 13,951
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I’m happy, one of the best supervillain performances in movies.

    https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-no-way-home-alfred-molina-doc-ock-confirm/

    That's great the casting of Molina has made me more interested in the film for sure.

    Up to now the two Tom Holland films for me have been forgettable (Michael Keaton the highlight of either movie), I tend to rewatch the other Spiderman films and don't bother with Holland's.

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    The Falcon and Winter Soldier episodes 4 and 5 are a mixed bag and feels a little unfocused now, the show has been ok its unlikely I will ever watch it again when its finished. It is littered with Easter eggs certainly in ep 5, and some big Marvel characters show up though I just don't care.

    The Disney+ shows on recent evidence offer little and I don't think missing them will impact on the movies.
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    The two shows are making a case for me that comic book adaptations are a much better fit for streaming than movies. With movies there’s no “status quo” like in comics because EVERY film seems obligated to be a major event for the characters rather than just another day being a hero like in the comics. I think they tried with Spider-Man but that was always relegated to montages, even pre-MCU.

    The recent ep of Falcon/Winter is a pretty good example of just allowing the characters to have a breather after an intense opening. In a movie, this would have probably lasted five minutes, ten at max. I’m glad this series exists because now I feel ready to see Sam as the new Cap in a way I didn’t at the very end of ENDGAME. It also makes him and Bucky feel like fully rounded characters for the first time, when they were really just side characters in the movies loaded with bigger names than them.

    Bummed that next week will be the last.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I’m happy, one of the best supervillain performances in movies.

    https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-no-way-home-alfred-molina-doc-ock-confirm/

    That’s fun, I hadn’t been sure if all that ‘old actors returning’ stuff was made up or not.
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Digitalia
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    This looks pretty boring, but it could just be a bad trailer.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I thought it looked quite fun. Nice to have a change of scenery.
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    Looks good. But no Fu-Manchu ;)
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