Star Trek (1966 - present)

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Ostandia
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    QBranch wrote: »
    TNG is the best, IMO. The most thought-provoking.

    Yes, that is exactly it. It brings up many philosophical and ethical matters.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    edited December 2020 Posts: 3,103
    There was a tiny bit of a Bond reference in Star Trek Discovery s3e9:
    Michelle Yeoh is being confronted with a newspaper headline reporting her death. and it's tomorrow's news
    There's no news like bad news.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2020 Posts: 6,012
    I attempted to rewatch STD S3 EP1 as I liked the future sci fi aspects of this show, the over acting put me off immediately.

    The acting standard in the show is pretty terrible. The only genuinely good actor left in it is Doug Jones, although I think Michelle Yeoh has bags of charisma (which really help as her technical acting isn't great). Everyone else in the crew, as you say, overacts wildly. The guy playing Stamets just seems to pull faces.
    Book is good though, he would be a more engaging main character than most of them.
  • mtm wrote: »
    I attempted to rewatch STD S3 EP1 as I liked the future sci fi aspects of this show, the over acting put me off immediately.

    The acting standard in the show is pretty terrible. The only genuinely good actor left in it is Doug Jones, although I think Michelle Yeoh has bags of charisma (which really help as her technical acting isn't great). Everyone else in the crew, as you say, overacts wildly. The guy playing Stamets just seems to pull faces.
    Book is good though, he would be a more engaging main character than most of them.

    A few episodes later it has improved as arguably the best episode in the entire show happened. I have yet to watch the last two episodes as been busy hopefully watch them on Wednesday, I think the show works better when the side characters are not involved and the plot is the focus.
  • edited December 2020 Posts: 3,626
    I used to think the original series was by far the best, but rewatching it, it isn t that great. I wonder if not The Next Generation is actually the best. The other shows have never interested me. They seem like a waste of time.

    Of all the shows, DS9 is actually the best IMO. That show really surprised me when I finally gave it a chance. TOS and TNG are classics but they have a few weak seasons here and there that keep it from being the best. LOWER DECKS is surprisingly fun, and I was not even looking forward to that show.
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    TNG explored the best ideas, it was brainy, philosophical and bad-ass. Voyager tried to emulate that and can be thought of as a continuation of TNG in terms of style and storytelling. Both have strong characters that are revisited over and over again to carve hem out.

    The new shows, Discovery and Picard, are different. In Discovery, there are too many protagonists and too much of a focus on Burnham. Many of the bridge crew have not said much so far (and we are in series 3 already) and are there mainly to exchange glances while, at the same time, more and more crew members get added with not much more to do after 1-2 episodes centered around them. As mentioned before, some are annoyingly overacting (Stamets, Tilly).

    Picard is a lost opportunity. I had hoped Patrick Stewart had come on board for a more intelligent and less action-based series. In the end, the storylines of STD s2 and STP s1 were identical - artificial intelligence trying to exterminate all organic life. How disappointing, considering the enormous range of interesting themes Star Trek had covered before.
  • edited December 2020 Posts: 3,626
    zebrafish wrote: »
    In Discovery, there are too many protagonists and too much of a focus on Burnham. Many of the bridge crew have not said much so far (and we are in series 3 already) and are there mainly to exchange glances while, at the same time, more and more crew members get added with not much more to do after 1-2 episodes centered around them. As mentioned before, some are annoyingly overacting (Stamets, Tilly).

    To be fair, the cast dynamic of DISCO is a lot more like what it was in TOS. In the classic show, the only true main characters were Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, while DISCO's is pretty much just Burnham, Suru, Stamets and Tilly. They were always at the center of the stories, whereas the supporting players like Scotty, Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, and Chapel were really just there to play their parts much like Detmer, Owosekun, Bryce. Sometimes they would be given their moments, but they would never have stories that made them the protagonists. Much different from the Berman era, which had main casts of 7 to 10 people as back in the 80s/90s ensemble shows were much more common.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2020 Posts: 6,012
    I don't mind Burnham being the main character, I think having a main character in a Trek show is quite a nice idea; especially one who isn't the captain. I'd have even quite liked it if we'd followed her through serving on different ships, but I guess that would be pretty expensive.
    It's just that her constant crying and 'empathy' face wind me up a bit.
  • DaltonFanDaltonFan California
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    Who else has seen season two of Star Trek Discovery? If you haven't, you need to do so you can see why Anson Mount as Captain Christopher Pike has gotten his own Star Trek spinoff series (Star Trek Strange New Worlds)! Mr.Mount is drop dead gorgeous, sexy, a good actor (he was good on the AMC series Hell On Wheels), and a terrific successor to Jeffrey Hunter and Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike.
  • It was an uneven season, but Mount was one of the best things to happen to Disco and absolutely deserves his own spin-off, especially if it’s more like the classic format of TOS/TNG.
  • DaltonFanDaltonFan California
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    Agreed. Ethan Peck was a pretty good Spock, and I liked Rebbeca Romaine's Number One.
  • DaltonFanDaltonFan California
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    @MakeshiftPython: You forgot bridge crew member Gen Rhys and Commander Nhan who came over to Discovery from the Enterprise with Captain Pike and asked to stay on the Discovery on the season two finale.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Ostandia
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    As a kid, my favourite character was Spock, followed by Kirk. There wasn t anything memorable about the others. This has changed. I now find myself rooting for Scotty. A man of great integrity.
  • DaltonFanDaltonFan California
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    I always liked Dr. Leonard "I'm a doctor, not a _____" McCoy "
  • DaltonFanDaltonFan California
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    I'm so happy that Anson Mount got a spin-off series as Captain Pike! He stole season two right out under from Soqua Martin-Green.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy N.Ireland
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    During a sale on Amazon Prime, I managed to get all three seasons of the
    original series, the remastered version. So far I'm half way through season
    2 and I'm loving it. I doubt if they expected them to be scrutinised so much
    when they were making them. As I'm watching them on a 55 inch 4k Television.
    So it's very obvious now when the stuntman takes over during the fights, but it's
    all part of the charm of the show.
  • Posts: 13,788
    During a sale on Amazon Prime, I managed to get all three seasons of the
    original series, the remastered version. So far I'm half way through season
    2 and I'm loving it. I doubt if they expected them to be scrutinised so much
    when they were making them. As I'm watching them on a 55 inch 4k Television.
    So it's very obvious now when the stuntman takes over during the fights, but it's
    all part of the charm of the show.

    Yeah the fight between Kirk and Khan is amusing, I have the Bluray Sets of the OG series, I previously had the DVD tin sets I do like the presentation and menus.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    I love the remastered TOS but I miss the original effects.

    I fondly remember watching TOS as a kid back in the late ‘80s when they would play episodes of it just before the premiere of a new TNG episode. Twenty years after they were made, I still loved the special effects.
  • This is why I got the blu-ray, as it includes the original effects.
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    I tend to watch the Remastered versions of TOS they did a great job of making it look retro, I occasionally watch the original episodes to compare and remind myself.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy N.Ireland
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    Watching The Trouble with Tribbles ( Series 2 ) I was reminded in the Bar fight
    about the Deep Space 9 episode, Trials and Tribble-ations.

  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
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    Brilliant, no Star Trek episode without some good old fisticuffs!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy N.Ireland
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    Just watched " Plato's Children " and can remember long, long ago. Getting
    the special vhs release of the episodes not shown on Tv. As this episode
    had the first interracial kiss on television, the other episode was " Whom
    Gods Destroy " about an escape from an insane asylum.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Watching The Trouble with Tribbles ( Series 2 ) I was reminded in the Bar fight
    about the Deep Space 9 episode, Trials and Tribble-ations.


    My favorite TOS episode, no doubt about it. And as a huge DS9 fan (my favorite Trek series, my second favorite TV series ever), ‘Trials and Tribble-ations’ is just gravy.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Watching The Trouble with Tribbles ( Series 2 ) I was reminded in the Bar fight
    about the Deep Space 9 episode, Trials and Tribble-ations.


    There's a fanedit out there that combines the two episodes. It was actually how I first saw the DS9 episode.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Ostandia
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    Having slagged off the original series before, I must say that there are some good episodes in season 3.
  • I'd say 1/3 of the third season is pretty good. The rest... eh.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Ostandia
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    I'd say 1/3 of the third season is pretty good. The rest... eh.

    I pretty much agree with this.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy N.Ireland
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    Noticed today on Amazon Prime that the Original series are reduced in price.
    Series 1 £4.99 series 2 and 3 Both £9.99
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