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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited September 27 Posts: 3,448
    Spielberg is second in moost directed movies in my collection, actualy he stay in draw with two directers who write his Bridge of Spies. Since earlier this year include four in my opnion controversial Indiana Jones movies and on this moment only have two movie's on my wishlist. Kuifje (Tin Tin) movie and his for moost people second moost controversial movie (is not released on BD in The Netherlands) and that's the Color Purple.

    This is what i have (* BD ** VHS and DVD)

    Jurassic Park 1&2 **
    Minoty Report
    Catch Me If You Can
    The Terminal
    War Of The Worlds ''2005''
    Munich
    Artificial Intelligence *
    Jaws *
    Empire Of The Sun *
    Bridge of Spies *
    Amistad * ( + DVD)
    Indiana Jones 1-3 (3)
    Indiana Jones 4 *

    The number 3 with 10 movies are Ridley Scott and (actualy 7 movies/5 episodes over 3 Seasons of tv series) Martin Campbell.

    Couple of weeks a go i watched Cowboys and Aliens (extented version) produced by Spielberg and like it more then War of The Worlds because you get to see the aliens. Disapointed but not dislike it, that can't be said about Super 8. That was very bad.

    That he waited so long with sequel of Tin Tin and possible a 3th movie i don't understand. He and Peter Jackson and Sony should have agreed he direct the next two too because Peter Jackson has no time.
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    How do people feel about Raiders of the Lost Ark, then? One of the best adventure films ever made, for me. Ticks all of the boxes as "pure cinema".

    Thanks for not putting that stupid retro tag on it and called it "Indiana Jones and..." with that film. I also still consider Star Wars to be Star Wars and not episode IV and all that.

    Nearly 40 years on, I still consider Raiders one of the greatest cinema rides of my life. Went in knowing it would be good and came out just blown away. When FYEO came out a few weeks later, it just couldn't compete as far as fun experiences. It also never loses anything on subsequent viewings throughout the years.

    Temple of Doom seems to have risen for a lot of people over the years. My first viewing I thought it may have surpassed Raiders but over the years it has lost points. Great action, but Willie Scott is just too annoying and distracting. Between that character and Stacey Sutton from AVTAK, writers sure didn't have a good handle on female action film characters in the mid '80s.

    That's why I like Last Crusade so much more. Willie is just a tag-along character while Henry is family, upping the stakes with his part of the adventure. Plus, Indy and Nazis are the right combination.

  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Hamburg, near the Atlantic Hotel
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    My top ten favorite Steven Spielberg films

    1. E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
    2. Empire of the Sun

    —big space here—

    3. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
    4. Saving Private Ryan
    5. Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade
    6. Raiders of the Lost Ark
    7. Catch Me If You Can
    8. Schindler’s List
    9. Lincoln
    10. Jurassic Park

    (Guilty pleasure: Always. It’s absolute pablum, pure maple syrup, but I love Holly Hunter, and I love Audrey Hepburn in her tiny final role as a welcoming face to the afterlife. I don’t really believe in an afterlife, but if her beautiful smile is the first thing to greet me after I die, I’m totally cool with that.)

    I also love Jaws, Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom and The Post. Call ‘em honorable mentions. I still need to see Munich so this may change.
    I'm not going to try and rank Spielberg's movies here. I have yet to see one I didn't enjoy, though for different reasons there are a few I haven't even watched...in spite of owning them on Blu-ray, but just not feeling like it for differenr reasons (ALWAYS, THE COLOR PURPLE, WAR HORSE).

    But let me commend you for having EMPIRE OF THE SUN as your number two. A brilliant, brilliant film, in spite of the fact that the script heavily Americanises the original novel in order to cowtow to the American movie-going public. But if it hadn't caused me to read the novel afterwards, I wouldn't even know.


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    Empire of the Sun is my absolute number one favourite film, @j_w_pepper.
    BT3366 wrote: »
    How do people feel about Raiders of the Lost Ark, then? One of the best adventure films ever made, for me. Ticks all of the boxes as "pure cinema".

    Thanks for not putting that stupid retro tag on it and called it "Indiana Jones and..." with that film. I also still consider Star Wars to be Star Wars and not episode IV and all that.

    Nearly 40 years on, I still consider Raiders one of the greatest cinema rides of my life. Went in knowing it would be good and came out just blown away. When FYEO came out a few weeks later, it just couldn't compete as far as fun experiences. It also never loses anything on subsequent viewings throughout the years.

    Temple of Doom seems to have risen for a lot of people over the years. My first viewing I thought it may have surpassed Raiders but over the years it has lost points. Great action, but Willie Scott is just too annoying and distracting. Between that character and Stacey Sutton from AVTAK, writers sure didn't have a good handle on female action film characters in the mid '80s.

    That's why I like Last Crusade so much more. Willie is just a tag-along character while Henry is family, upping the stakes with his part of the adventure. Plus, Indy and Nazis are the right combination.

    Couldn't agree more with this.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & the Bond double bill of '83!
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    I love Hammer horror, but I find myself to be more drawn towards their less-liked early 70's period than the lauded 60's one.
    Films like The Vampire Lovers, the later Dracula's and Blood from the Mummy's Tomb are all amongst my favourite Hammer films.
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    Besides Drac Prince of Darkness , Scars is another favorite
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    1978-1995 was Walkens golden age imo : Deer Hunter , Dead Zone , Brainstorm , At close range , Biloxi Blues , Communion , Comfort of strangers , Batman Returns , Nick of Time....imo anyway
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & the Bond double bill of '83!
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    Tracy wrote: »
    Besides Drac Prince of Darkness , Scars is another favorite

    Definitely loved Scars, as well as the 'contemporary' ones that followed it.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Tracy wrote: »
    1978-1995 was Walkens golden age imo : Deer Hunter , Dead Zone , Brainstorm , At close range , Biloxi Blues , Communion , Comfort of strangers , Batman Returns , Nick of Time....imo anyway

    I agree, he’s probably my favorite actor.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I love Hammer horror, but I find myself to be more drawn towards their less-liked early 70's period than the lauded 60's one.
    Films like The Vampire Lovers, the later Dracula's and Blood from the Mummy's Tomb are all amongst my favourite Hammer films.

    I love the '70's era as well. Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires, Vampire Circus, Vampire Lovers, Horror of Frankenstein, Scars and A.D. 1972 are all among my favorites.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & the Bond double bill of '83!
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I love Hammer horror, but I find myself to be more drawn towards their less-liked early 70's period than the lauded 60's one.
    Films like The Vampire Lovers, the later Dracula's and Blood from the Mummy's Tomb are all amongst my favourite Hammer films.

    I love the '70's era as well. Legend of the 7 Golden Vampires, Vampire Circus, Vampire Lovers, Horror of Frankenstein, Scars and A.D. 1972 are all among my favorites.

    Great to see some love for Horror of Frankenstein! I ordered the Blu-rays of both HoF and Scars of Dracula yesterday :) They'll be my first Hammers on Blu-ray.
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    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


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  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


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    I'd say he was pretty miscast IMO.

    I did like the Harker in the recent Dracula TV series and what they did with his character.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & the Bond double bill of '83!
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    My favourite has to be Bruno Ganz, with John Van Eyssen coming in as a close second.
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    It's not a great movie, but I actually quite enjoyed Holmes & Watson (2018).
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


    680b7ed8fa8faf28f8a99da4cd08681e.jpg

    That is controversial. Imo he was the worst and the most unconvincing Englishman since Kevin Costner playing Robin Hood.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


    680b7ed8fa8faf28f8a99da4cd08681e.jpg

    That is controversial. Imo he was the worst and the most unconvincing Englishman since Kevin Costner playing Robin Hood.

    I remember that being one of the film's biggest criticisms back in '92. However, I'd defend Keanu in the sense that he is the most remembered Harker. Possibly Bruno Ganz comes close. Casual film goers are more likely to remember Keanu than, say Trevor Eve or Murray Brown.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Robotswana
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


    680b7ed8fa8faf28f8a99da4cd08681e.jpg

    That is controversial. Imo he was the worst and the most unconvincing Englishman since Kevin Costner playing Robin Hood.

    I remember that being one of the film's biggest criticisms back in '92. However, I'd defend Keanu in the sense that he is the most remembered Harker. Possibly Bruno Ganz comes close. Casual film goers are more likely to remember Keanu than, say Trevor Eve or Murray Brown.

    Reeves was great in the role. And as you say, I don t remember any of the others.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


    680b7ed8fa8faf28f8a99da4cd08681e.jpg

    That is controversial. Imo he was the worst and the most unconvincing Englishman since Kevin Costner playing Robin Hood.

    I remember that being one of the film's biggest criticisms back in '92. However, I'd defend Keanu in the sense that he is the most remembered Harker. Possibly Bruno Ganz comes close. Casual film goers are more likely to remember Keanu than, say Trevor Eve or Murray Brown.

    Ganz is imo THE best Harker so far. Keanu is remembered in the role but for all the wrong reasons. The 1970s BBC adaptation for all its flaws had a great Harker and Mina. Shame almost everybody else was miscast.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Still waiting for the Jena Malone Batwoman movie that's never going to be made.Moderator
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    None of the Harkers have really stood out for me. Lugosi, Palance and Kinski are my favourite Draculas. But I struggle to put one Harker over the other.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


    680b7ed8fa8faf28f8a99da4cd08681e.jpg

    That is controversial. Imo he was the worst and the most unconvincing Englishman since Kevin Costner playing Robin Hood.

    I remember that being one of the film's biggest criticisms back in '92. However, I'd defend Keanu in the sense that he is the most remembered Harker. Possibly Bruno Ganz comes close. Casual film goers are more likely to remember Keanu than, say Trevor Eve or Murray Brown.

    Ganz is imo THE best Harker so far. Keanu is remembered in the role but for all the wrong reasons. The 1970s BBC adaptation for all its flaws had a great Harker and Mina. Shame almost everybody else was miscast.

    Ganz was a great Harker. Quite true that Keanu is remembered for the wrong reasons. I thought his performance stood up when i watched it recently. Not as bad as I remembered.
    If I were to pick a personal favorite Harker, it might be either David Manners or John Van Eyssen. Trevor Eve , I liked as well. All were quite different.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


    680b7ed8fa8faf28f8a99da4cd08681e.jpg

    That is controversial. Imo he was the worst and the most unconvincing Englishman since Kevin Costner playing Robin Hood.

    I remember that being one of the film's biggest criticisms back in '92. However, I'd defend Keanu in the sense that he is the most remembered Harker. Possibly Bruno Ganz comes close. Casual film goers are more likely to remember Keanu than, say Trevor Eve or Murray Brown.

    Ganz is imo THE best Harker so far. Keanu is remembered in the role but for all the wrong reasons. The 1970s BBC adaptation for all its flaws had a great Harker and Mina. Shame almost everybody else was miscast.

    Ganz was a great Harker. Quite true that Keanu is remembered for the wrong reasons. I thought his performance stood up when i watched it recently. Not as bad as I remembered.
    If I were to pick a personal favorite Harker, it might be either David Manners or John Van Eyssen. Trevor Eve , I liked as well. All were quite different.

    I love Horror of Dracula, but Van Eyssen I never liked his look. Bosco Hogan was very good I think and he looked like I imagined Harker. Judi Bowker is almost perfect as Mina. But Keanu Reeves was all wrong: wrong accent, cardboard acting, even Coppola said it was a bad casting call.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Defender of Timothy Dalton, George Lazenby, Éric Serra & the Bond double bill of '83!
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as DRACULA films go one could debate for years who was the best Count.
    That said, in my controversial opinion:

    KEANU REEVES WAS THE DEFINITIVE AND BEST JONATHAN HARKER


    680b7ed8fa8faf28f8a99da4cd08681e.jpg

    That is controversial. Imo he was the worst and the most unconvincing Englishman since Kevin Costner playing Robin Hood.

    I remember that being one of the film's biggest criticisms back in '92. However, I'd defend Keanu in the sense that he is the most remembered Harker. Possibly Bruno Ganz comes close. Casual film goers are more likely to remember Keanu than, say Trevor Eve or Murray Brown.

    Ganz is imo THE best Harker so far. Keanu is remembered in the role but for all the wrong reasons. The 1970s BBC adaptation for all its flaws had a great Harker and Mina. Shame almost everybody else was miscast.

    I agree Ganz is the best, though I did like Van Eyssen. I don't dislike Reeves or anything, but I find him the weakest link of that film.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Here's one:

    John Belushi might have had better movies, but I think Chris Farley was more individually talented, and would have gone farer in his career then Belushi.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here's one:

    John Belushi might have had better movies, but I think Chris Farley was more individually talented, and would have gone farer in his career then Belushi.

    I'll debate you all day on that one. I felt just the opposite that Farley was just a Belushi wannabe, I think he even admitted such, and much of his flailing schtick was his go-to.

    I did love his van-down-by-the-river bits on SNL and thought he was even better when he did quieter things like when he would do his own little show within a show where he interviewed celebrities like Paul McCartney, shyly showing hero worship: "Remember when you were in the Beatles...that was awesome."

    Belushi had more range than just the crazy slob guy. He had musical talent and played against type later in his career in films like Continental Divide and Neighbors. He was also trying to do other projects along those lines and I think he could've had a similar career to Bill Murray as he aged and didn't fit the crazy guy image as much anymore.

    Even when doing that type of character, there was a charm about him by lifting the eyebrow and not having to fall over and throw things that made him able to win over an audience that I never saw from Farley. And from what I've read, Belushi could do the same in real life, be crazy and somewhat frightening but becoming a friendly, sweet guy.

  • mattjoesmattjoes Will the real NTTD release date please stand up?
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    Here's one: Network is not a great film. It's better as a kind of essay, a means of conveying interesting ideas, than as a story, where it doesn't succeed in creating substantial emotions, and enough interest in the characters, beyond the depth --at times superficial, at times fleeting-- that their monologues allow them.
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    Not sure if it's controversial, but there are many "big" movies which I enjoy a lot in cinema, then never cared to watch ever again. Avatar for instance. And pretty much all the Harry Potter movies.
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    Controversial opinion:

    I never cared for AVATAR. Pretentious and overrated for my tastes. The actors looked like they were trying to perform in front of a green screen and the imagery was later inserted digitally.
    Of course I could be biased. My girlfriend at the time thought AVATAR was the greatest movie ever made.
    She detested the Bond films and loathed Daniel Craig.

    Another controversial opinion:
    In terms of the DC comics franchise

    I enjoyed WONDER WOMAN far more than THE DARK KNIGHT.
    I loved the WW1 setting, Chris Pine's performance and especially Gal Gadot in the lead role.
    However, if I'm going to nitpick, the action sequences looked like they were shot in front of a green screen with the imagery and stunts inserted digitally.

    I could say that for several modern action films, though.

    Enough negativity...........time to spread the love-

    Controversial opinion:
    THE HORROR OF FRANKENSTEIN (1970)
    is a superb Hammer horror vehicle. Ralph Bates makes an excellent Baron Frankenstein and Veronica Carlson is astonishing as Elizabeth. Dave Prowse is a solid Monster and the direction by Jimmy Sangster is easily on par with some of the other Hammer directing legends.


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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I never cared for AVATAR. Pretentious and overrated for my tastes. The actors looked like they were trying to perform in front of a green screen and the imagery was later inserted digitally.
    Of course I could be biased. My girlfriend at the time thought AVATAR was the greatest movie ever made.
    She detested the Bond films and loathed Daniel Craig.

    Another controversial opinion:
    In terms of the DC comics franchise

    I enjoyed WONDER WOMAN far more than THE DARK KNIGHT.
    I loved the WW1 setting, Chris Pine's performance and especially Gal Gadot in the lead role.
    However, if I'm going to nitpick, the action sequences looked like they were shot in front of a green screen with the imagery and stunts inserted digitally.

    I could say that for several modern action films, though.

    Enough negativity...........time to spread the love-

    Controversial opinion:
    THE HORROR OF FRANKENSTEIN (1970)
    is a superb Hammer horror vehicle. Ralph Bates makes an excellent Baron Frankenstein and Veronica Carlson is astonishing as Elizabeth. Dave Prowse is a solid Monster and the direction by Jimmy Sangster is easily on par with some of the other Hammer directing legends.


    Totally agree re 'AVATAR'. Awful film. In fact I think James Cameron is wildly overrated and i think he hasnt done anything watchable since Terminator 2: Judgement Day!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Controversial opinion:

    I never cared for AVATAR. Pretentious and overrated for my tastes. The actors looked like they were trying to perform in front of a green screen and the imagery was later inserted digitally.
    Of course I could be biased. My girlfriend at the time thought AVATAR was the greatest movie ever made.
    She detested the Bond films and loathed Daniel Craig.

    Another controversial opinion:
    In terms of the DC comics franchise

    I enjoyed WONDER WOMAN far more than THE DARK KNIGHT.
    I loved the WW1 setting, Chris Pine's performance and especially Gal Gadot in the lead role.
    However, if I'm going to nitpick, the action sequences looked like they were shot in front of a green screen with the imagery and stunts inserted digitally.

    I could say that for several modern action films, though.

    Enough negativity...........time to spread the love-

    Controversial opinion:
    THE HORROR OF FRANKENSTEIN (1970)
    is a superb Hammer horror vehicle. Ralph Bates makes an excellent Baron Frankenstein and Veronica Carlson is astonishing as Elizabeth. Dave Prowse is a solid Monster and the direction by Jimmy Sangster is easily on par with some of the other Hammer directing legends.


    Totally agree re 'AVATAR'. Awful film. In fact I think James Cameron is wildly overrated and i think he hasnt done anything watchable since Terminator 2: Judgement Day!

    We have truly underrated Richard Donner as a director in the movie-going public. He takes risks, tries new genres, learns from his career and mistakes. He’s got classics in action, epic, comedy, and horror. How many other people can say that? Had he not been fired from Superman, he could have helped him and his world go further than where he is now. Enough with Lex Luthor, General Zod and made up villains WB!
    Meanwhile, we over praised James Cameron. Other than special effects, what has he honestly pushed forward? He rips off more in his writing than Quentin Tarantino, and no where more creative when he does. He’s mean and self centered. Talks a lot, and never amounts to anything. Had Titanic or Avatar bombed, he would be the modern day Michael Cimino. Richard Donner is always worth your time, James Cameron isn’t.

    I also like your opinion on Wonder Woman! Great viewpoint!
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