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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I don't think the Penguin has been over used to be fair, the Joker on the other hand yes.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
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    In Joker: Folie à Deux, I'm willing to bet that Brendan Gleeson is Dr. Hugo Strange. Or that Hugo Strange is going to be in the movie. With Arkham Asylum being so focused apparently, I won't be surprised if we see him. I still think we may see other villains as well. I hope that DC Comics and WB makes more of these villain movies. They can't be worse than the Sony Spider-Verse.

    It seems that my theory may have come true. Some of my other guesses about other villains showing up are Ventriloquist, Victor Zsasz, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, Ratcatcher, Maxie Zeus, Duela Dent, Mad Hatter, Professor Pyg, FireFly, Punchline and surprisingly, a Superman villain: Toyman. We know that Harvey Dent will be in the movie. I hope more comic book villains (and characters) are in this time.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    THE PENGUIN Trailer (NEW 2024)

    I'm honestly kind of getting tired of The Penguin in Batman media. He's the equivalent of General Zod with Superman. There are more supervillains/mob villains that Gotham City has to offer.

    To be fair, in live-action film material in the past 50 years, we've seen him twice: once in '92, once in '22. The Penguin didn't make an appearance in the Nolan or Snyder films. Animation, comics and games are different things.
    I don't think the Penguin has been over used to be fair, the Joker on the other hand yes.

    Fair enough, but like you said in other media, the Penguin is a bit overused, and not always in the best way (TAS surprisingly, in particular).
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I don't think the Penguin has been over used to be fair, the Joker on the other hand yes.

    Joker has been used a lot, yes, but the likes of Nicholson, Ledger and Phoenix have done such a wonderful job, that it's hard to dismiss their legendary portrayals as an "overuse" of a character. Leto was barely present in SS at all (which was, in fact, a common criticism towards the film, showing that audiences still want more Joker), and a mere cameo in Snyder's Cut of JL. As for the mystery voice at the end of The Batman, I'd say it's unfair, at this point, to refer to that as "using" Joker (if it is Joker) at all.

    Then there's the animated stuff, but do we want to call Hamill's pivotal work or Emerson's surprisingly delightful line-reading an "overuse"?

    I'm biased, I know. I love the Joker. Such a weird, enigmatic, funny and yet also frightening character. When he pops up, you've got my attention. It's hard for me to associate the character with "too much of a good thing". I think that every iteration of the Batman will, somehow, bring with it at least one version of the Joker. Hence why Keaton, Bale, Affleck, and perhaps even Pattinson have (had) their own Joker. He's the salt on our fries: at some point, people want it. But, I agree that Joker shouldn't stand in the way of other villains making their long overdue entree in the live-action films too.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I don't think the Penguin has been over used to be fair, the Joker on the other hand yes.

    Joker has been used a lot, yes, but the likes of Nicholson, Ledger and Phoenix have done such a wonderful job, that it's hard to dismiss their legendary portrayals as an "overuse" of a character. Leto was barely present in SS at all (which was, in fact, a common criticism towards the film, showing that audiences still want more Joker), and a mere cameo in Snyder's Cut of JL. As for the mystery voice at the end of The Batman, I'd say it's unfair, at this point, to refer to that as "using" Joker (if it is Joker) at all.

    Then there's the animated stuff, but do we want to call Hamill's pivotal work or Emerson's surprisingly delightful line-reading an "overuse"?

    I'm biased, I know. I love the Joker. Such a weird, enigmatic, funny and yet also frightening character. When he pops up, you've got my attention. It's hard for me to associate the character with "too much of a good thing". I think that every iteration of the Batman will, somehow, bring with it at least one version of the Joker. Hence why Keaton, Bale, Affleck, and perhaps even Pattinson have (had) their own Joker. He's the salt on our fries: at some point, people want it. But, I agree that Joker shouldn't stand in the way of other villains making their long overdue entree in the live-action films too.

    Well said. Lex and Zod are guilty of holding other villains back for Superman in the movies. Doomsday in BVS is technically the two combined!

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I like Holbrook as an actor. Would be nice to see him in a slightly meatier supporting role regardless of what it is.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I like Holbrook as an actor. Would be nice to see him in a slightly meatier supporting role regardless of what it is.

    Yes, however, it sounds like it’ll just be Harvey Dent in The Batman Part 2. It also sounds like Dent will feature in Joker Folie à Deux. Maybe they’ll do with Harvey’s transformation what Joker did with The Wayne’s murders. I’m still hoping for more comic book characters!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Some days, I think Batman’s future is just as interesting to think about as much as James Bond’s.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Some days, I think Batman’s future is just as interesting to think about as much as James Bond’s.

    I know quite a few people who are big Batman fans. The fact that the Batman Arkham games were so big and are still played quite a bit helps. Also even with DC's cinematic failures for some reason fans seemed to like Ben Affleck's Batman (not quite sure why to be honest), Joker, and The Batman too of course. Heck, the only ones out of those latter films I really got into was The Batman, and I'm excited to see part 2. So Batman fans are definitely more spoiled for choice maybe than Bond fans are, at least at the moment.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
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    Heretical, I know ... but for Bond, and based on his varied mastery of genre material, I would prefer Matt Reeves > Nolan > Villeneuve.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Feyador wrote: »
    Heretical, I know ... but for Bond, and based on his varied mastery of genre material, I would prefer Matt Reeves > Nolan > Villeneuve.

    I didn’t even think of Reeves, @Feyador — good call!! He’d be excellent. Bring some zip and powerful images. I had my issues with his The Batman and its pacing (but enjoyed it more on a second watch, and I think I missed the point that he was doing a slow burn noir (grumpy mood during the first watch)), but there’s no doubt he’d capture something quite special.
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    Matt Reeves is actually the kind of director well suited to Bond. He reminds me more of a Lewis Gilbert in the sense he's a director who's worked his way up from doing moderately budgeted studio films to larger budget ones (so unlike a Nolan who started out doing small independent films). He seems to put his own spin on these types of films (when I rewatched War For The Planet of the Apes and Let Me In I definitely got the sense they were directed by the same person who did The Batman - he's not quite what people automatically think of as an auteur, but he's not simply a workman-like director either if this makes sense). Loved what he did with The Batman, and he seemed willing and able to go through the source material in order to understand the character/adapt it, even though I don't think he had read the comics before.

    Obviously he's doing Batman, so Bond won't be in the stars for him at the moment. But I agree, he'd be great.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Yes, Matt Reeves would be great for Bond. I hope that he builds The Batman universe, with new villains and allies. It sounds like Robert Pattinson is like Daniel Craig/Ben Affleck: he has a bit of creative control. I'm happy that they are using Batman The Animated Series as an influence. It is still one of the best Batman adaptations. I still kind of wish he would have directed Superman, who needs to use Batman's movie trademark of using multiple villains from the comics.

    We are in Batman's 85th anniversary year. I'm happy that we are getting at least two guaranteed movies in the next five years, Joker 2 and The Batman Part 2. I know some people have mixed feelings about Joker 2 being a musical. I'll still give it a chance, as all I want are some more characters from the comics. We are truly lucky, as with Bond, Batman has the right people in charge. Even Joel Schumacher and Zack Snyder were basically pressured by WB for different reasons. Let's hope that we get some great news with Batman throughout the year!
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    The batman was a rare situation where i wasn’t excited till the second trailer and then when i saw the film it became my favorite batman movie heck i read part of the tie in comic book.

    Batman monologues is what i loved to be honest
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Happy 85th birthday, Batman! It's as awesome to see as many fans for Batman on this site! I think we'll get some great news soon!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    First trailer is coming one week from today.

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    Finally! Can’t wait to see!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    So excited! I hope we get some more official details.

    https://www.cbr.com/joker-2-lady-gaga-harley-quinn-voice/
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    For anyone who missed it, George Lazenby has a silent cameo at the start of Batman: Soul of the Dragon. It's the first of approximately eight Bond references in the film.

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Creasy47 wrote: »

    Could he win another Oscar for playing the Joker.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Looks hype to me! I can understand and sympathize with the viewpoint that Joker worked so well as a standalone movie without the need for sequels, but because this one looks to be doing something so different I’m totally open to it. As the titular character points out in the trailer, the biggest difference is he’s not alone anymore. Up until the very end, Joker 1 is all about loneliness. This one looks like a fun contrast!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    Looks hype to me! I can understand and sympathize with the viewpoint that Joker worked so well as a standalone movie without the need for sequels, but because this one looks to be doing something so different I’m totally open to it. As the titular character points out in the trailer, the biggest difference is he’s not alone anymore. Up until the very end, Joker 1 is all about loneliness. This one looks like a fun contrast!

    I agree. Earlier, I was theorizing that Brendan Gleeson is Dr. Hugo Strange. Or that Hugo Strange is going to be in the movie. Now I'm thinking Steve Coogan is him. I'm slowly warming up to the idea of it being a musical. Lady Gaga looks truly promising as Harley Quinn. I'm still looking forward to it, fully.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Agreed, it looks very interesting. Two damaged souls that find each other. I think we are in for a twisted romance not seen since Fight Club.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It had my interest until the Meta Quest nonsense, much like the Alien teaser the other day that's VR only.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It had my interest until the Meta Quest nonsense, much like the Alien teaser the other day that's VR only.

    Likewise, dissapointed when I saw it was exclusive.
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